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Heresy : Discussing serpent seed lie
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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 3/27/2007 1:06 AM
I will be doing a series of messages on this and Tweeties board, concerning this false teaching of the serpent seed and the serpent.  Here is one I have done on her board:
 
*Genesis 3:1  - The serpent was the most intelligent of all the beasts and could talk which lends support for the contention that the serpent was the 'missing link' in the creation, between apes and man.


Genesis 3:7- the result of partaking of the 'fruit' was a knowledge that they were naked, a reference to the sexual nature of the sin.


Genesis 3:13  - Eve’s claim that the serpent had 'seduced' her.  The term ‘beguiled�?in the King James Version meant 'sexually seduced�?or ‘defiled�?rather than ‘deceived�?(which most contemporary translations give).  The original Hebrew word is ‘nasha�?("naw-shaw") which literally means to lead astray or to mentally delude, or to morally seduce.


Genesis 3:14  - The serpent was previously an upright being and only became a 'snake' after it was cursed by God.


 Genesis 3:16 ] - The woman was cursed in childbearing; a punishment befitting the 'crime' (being sexual in nature) [Tweeties message from branham]


Missing link?  Where does God say there is some missing link?  it is not God's way of creation.  This is evolution mess.  It is not of creation.  God did not LINK one species to another any such way.  HE  CREATED each one as it is today.  this is made up hogwash.

Watch how Genesis 3:1 is MISQUOTED AND MISUSED HERE:

This is the true words of the verse:

<NOBR>Ge 3:1</NOBR> Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?


See, how TWISTING or changing words lead to error or lies......this verse did not say the serpent was the most subtle of all the beast.  that is NOT what it says.  (no wonder people who teach false doctrine MUST call the KJV full of lies and error.   They KNOW then cannot prove their false teachings with the KJV.  So they must discredit this Holy book and call it a lie, rather than see that what they are saying is the lie.)

This verse said that the serpent  was  MORE  subtle than  ANY  BEAST of the field.   It did not compare him to OTHER beast, as being one of them.  It said he was more subtle than ALL OF  THEM.  More subtle than ANY  BEAST.  NOT ANY    OTHER   BEAST.   Makes a lot of difference in the real meaning.

<NOBR>Ge 3:7</NOBR> And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.


Now somebody show me one referrence here in this verse where it spoke of something sexual?  It is simply not there.  Since when does being naked, in Scripture, refer to sex?  Not one time.  It is spiritual nakedness. 

So is the NAKED church having sex with animals?  Is that why the seventh church is NAKED?

It is the very same nakedness.  No one can honestly find any reference in the Word of God where sex is involved at all in this happening in Geneses three.  If you see sex there, show it to me.  It is not there.

Take one single verse and show me where the serpent became a snake.   I grant you there is not one such word is all of God's word.  It is MADE  UP  LIES.  IT IS VOMIT.

Now anyone who believes this filth,  show me one single verse saying this mess.  You cannot do it.  So it is of the devil.  Now who is of the devil?  Who here is not of God?  Show me.  Prove it with Scripture.  Who here has the  SPIRIT OF TRUTH?

<NOBR>Ge 3:16</NOBR> Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.


Where is one word of a curse here?  show me.  Now the punishment was to have this man rule over her.  that was the curse if there is a curse.  Why?  Because it was the man who deceived her.  I shall prove it.  It was ADAM.  it was his carnal mind, which was in rebellion to God.

ADAM IS THE SERPENT.   THE WORD OF GOD PROVES IT.

Sure Cain is the son of this serpent,  ADAM.  They had the same murdering spirit.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/27/2007 2:21 AM
 
Tweety,  I have looked at all the links you gave.  I have read most of them. parts of some.  They are each full of dicrepencies against truth.  See, no matter what any of these men who write these things believe,  they are ALL,  YES,  EVERYONE OF THEM,  deceived at some point.
 
Since they all believe wrong stuff, and when they read the Word, they try to make it fit what they ALREADY believe, they are going to miss the true revelation of all of this.
 
Not one of them has revelation from GOD.  See those disputing the things of branham,  use some other man's comentaries.  When you see this,  be ASSURED that the person talking has NO REVELATION from God.  he is going on some other man's ideas.  The other man went on some other man's and so on.  NONE of them had the revelation of the Scriptures.
 
Now I took this from the link above:
 

The Famous Pillar of fire Picture

During his ministry the light was photographed several times To question whether this was real or not may be redundant. It was the same Pillar of Fire which had been with Branham since the time of his birth. When praying for the sick he would watch the Pillar of fire move around the building from one person to another, revealing the “thoughts and intents�?of the heart, the past, the present and the future.

2 Cor.11:13-15 “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.�?To have light effects does not prove whether it is from God at all, It just may prove the opposite. Joseph Smith saw pillars of light and angels constantly should we accept his message? Being impressed by the supernatural is the oldest con in the book. Literally! Genesis tells us that Satan came disguised in a Snake and the Hebrew says he was shining standing upright, Eve certainly was bedazzled and bewitched.


see that lie there?  it is from the man disputing branham.  See he is just as wrong and mixed up as branham was.

No Scripture ever said that Satan came disguised in a snake, nor was it said to be shining or standing upright.  It does not say Eve was bedazzled or bewitched.

Now that is a big LIE.  It is HERESY.

So why listen to any of them?  the only TRUTH you will ever find is WRITTEN IN THE KJV.

Until everyone learns to go exactly by this,  comparing Scripture with other Scripture and seeking what the Word of God says,  they will forever believe LIES.

I will PROVE solidly,  with unchanged KJV SCRIPTURES, that Adam is Satan, the serpent, the devil and the dragon.  Cain is also part of this.  It is a KINGDOM.

Adam is the head of this Satanic kingdom.  Cain was Adam's son.  cain was of the wicked one.  Adam is the wicked one.  I will prove it.

 

JO


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/27/2007 2:44 AM
This becomes a most serious error, “Now, we find, God all ages has had skin on It. See? (THE MIGHTY GOD UNVEILED BEFORE US, p.20) This is serious false teaching which denies the one incarnation fulfilled in the New Testament if he always was a man instead of becoming a man at a certain time.

Tweety, I took the above from the article on the teachings of the prophet.  These are the words of the man who wrote this article,  supposedly having truth and disputing branham.

See then that the man who wrote this is in just as much error as branham.  None of these people have revelation from God.  None of them are going by the Written Word of God.  They all, without exception,  believe teachings of MAN,  BEAST,  above God's Holy Word.

No Scripture says one word about any INCARNATION.  It is lies of Satan.  No Scripture teaches that any god became a man.  It is lies of Satan.

See, if no scripture says these things, then it has to be wrong.  If you cannot prove a thing with written Scriptrue,  then there would be no way of ever knowing any truth.  It would be impossible to know any truth.  But Jesus said search the Scriptures.  they are the truth.  Nothing else is truth.

If it is not WRITTEN, IT IS LIES.  THAT IS NOT WRITTEN,  SO IT IS JUST AS MUCH ERROR AS ANYTHING BRANHAM SAID.

Prove all things.  There is only ONE proof>>> it must be WRITTEN.

So all of you believe this INCARNATION  LIE..  someone give me the written Scripture.  then I will hush up forever.  Your search for truth will forever be in vain, as long as you cling to  lies of man.  that is why none of these men found truth....they sought it with the lies solidly planted, unmovable, in their minds.

So God lets them go on believing their lies.  Until you seek the truth of Scripture, from only Scripture, accepting only what it says,  you will wonder around in the darkness of confusion.  it really matters not which lie one believes.  all it takes is one lie to cause it all to be wrong.

Jo


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/27/2007 3:08 AM

Baptism in Jesus Name

William Branham insisted that “believers baptized by a Trinitarian formula must be rebaptized in the name of Jesus only.�?(Burgess and McGee, Pentecostal and Charismatic Movements, 95-96)

“Show me one place where God ever had anybody baptized in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost. Find those things. And yet we constantly do them.�?“You show me one place where one person was baptized in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Ghost, I'll raise my hands and say I'm a false prophet.�?�?.. I challenge anybody to show me one place where anybody was ever baptized in the name of Father, Son, Holy Ghost.
Now, are you going to listen to false prophecy or the truth? Search the Scriptures. It's up to you.�?nbsp;

“But no one in the Scripture was ever baptized in any other way but the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ. And those who were baptized was commanded by St. Paul who said, "If an angel preached anything else let him be accursed," commanded to them to come and be rebaptized again in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ.�?Problem is baptism is not the gospel, Jesus death and resurrection is. So his argument is mute. (William Branham The Serpent's Seed September 28, 1958   Branham Tabernacle in Jeffersonville, Indiana)


Look how this man who wrote this article again shows his own erronous thinking.  Instead of trying to show that Branham was wrong in what he was saying here  (which for once branham had it right)...in saying that the NT Church only baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.)...

yet this man could do nothing with this TRUTH,  so he just sort of shoved it under the 'rug'.  dismissed it.  for he did not know how to discredit it.  So he just says oh well,  baptism is not the gospel.

NOT THE GOSPEL???//   What ?//   Jesus himself said he that believeth AND  IS  BAPTIZED  SHALL BE SAVED.  And it is not part of the gospel?

 

I say you all had better forget trying to learn truth from any of these men and GET INTO THE KJV AND SEEK THE TRUTH.  That is the only place it is to be found.  See this writter believes the LIE OF TRINITY,  so that LIE,  blinded him and made his scoff at this truth in the Word.

He thought branham was wrong here again.  but he saw also that branham was standing on pure Scripture with this one,  and he could do nothing to undo it,  so he just shoves it aside and says  It is not the gospel. 

 THEN  WHY IS BAPTISM  SO MUCH IN SCRIPTURE? 

 WHY IS IT SO MUCH A PART OF THE APOSTOLIC POWERFUL CHURCH IN ACTS?

I say again,  this writter is just as wrong as branaham.  one lie is just as dangerous as another lie.

I  AM SPEAKING TRUTH TO YOU....Jo


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/27/2007 3:30 AM
Dear Tweety,
 
Anyone who says words which are not written in Scripture is just as false as Branham.  Do not mistake this.  It is too important.
 
It is just as wrong to add to Scripture...
It is just as wrong to take away from Scripture....
It is just as wrong to change Scripture...
As anything else.
 
One lie is just as wrong and bad as any other lie.  A lie is a lie.  Truth is truth and truth is written in Scripture.
 
If it is not written, it is lies of man.
 
Watch every single word.  If it deviates from the exact way the KJV is worded,  it is a rebellious person saying it.  It is LIES OF MAN.
 
Why would any ordianary person,  (which we  ALL ARE)  THINK THAT THEY CAN CHANGE GOD'S WORD, or say that their thoughts are more true than the Word of God which God has give us?
 
Think on this.
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/27/2007 3:45 AM
(from Tweeties board)

From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameTweety134</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 3/26/2007 9:13 PM
Dear List,
Since the false theory about Eve having sexual relations with a serpent. Let us talk about the serpent. I want to say right here and right now, that the serpent WAS NOT SATAN HIMSELF. Dake says that the serpent was not Satan. But who or what was the serpent? Let us look at this verse.
 
Genesis 3:1 (KJV)
1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

What do you get from this first sentence? Let us look at the word "serpent"... the word serpent in hebrew is nachas (Strong:5175). Which is translated snake. So we say that the serpent was a snake. But a snake as we know today moves around on his belly. And if you will see GOD cursed the serpent, and he then crawled around on his belly. So what was the serpent before he was cursed by GOD? Did he walk upright like a man? Maybe. The serpent could have walked on four legs and when he was cursed by GOD he could have lost the use of his legs, making him crawl around on his belly. Another thing we know about the serpent, is that God made him. So we can conclude that he was good. Since God made him. He was not Satan. Many people say that this was Satan in the Garden. But it was not Satan. Dake says it was not Satan. Because Dake says that he could not change himself into a serpent. Satan is a spirit. He always will be one. Please remember also that God created all the animals and man. Satan created nothing. So this could not have been one of Satan's creatures. Satan had been kicked out of heaven long before Adam & Eve were created. (That is another story).


Tweety,  you want my thoughts?   OK,  you shall have them..   My thoughts are what the KJV  says about all of this.  What do you believe...the KJV,  or Dakes.  Now that is the question you need to get answered.  (for and to yourself).

 

I will PROVE right here that Dakes lied.  He denied the KJV Word of God and you have picked it right up.  Now I submit to you that the very words you are saying here about the serpent is  EXACTLY WHAT BRANHAM SAID.   So apparently Dakes read and picked up Branham's words.

If he stated that the snake lost his legs and began crawling around on his belly,  this LIE came from the very same place Branham got his words.  He said that.

But I am telling you one thing.........THE WORD  OF  GOD  DOES NOT SAY ANY SUCH THING.  So what do you really believe?

this is so carnal and ridiculous that it should never,  never, never be connected with the things of God's Word.

Here is what the KJV says the serpent was and is:

(I have already showed you this so many times I can't even remember how many)  Why do you reject the word of God for Dakes lies?

<NOBR>Re 12:9</NOBR> And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


<NOBR>Re 20:2</NOBR> And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,


Now either you must outright call these two Scriptures a lie, or retract what you have said here.

So you believe Dakes knew the truth?  They why would he lie like this?  See he did NOT know this simple truth, for his mind was ALREADY darkened with this LIE.  He believed the lie Branham taught!!!!!

Now that verse says,  without any place for confusion or error,   the OLD  SERPENT,   IS  THE devil,  and Satan  and the dragon.

How long will all of you refuse this simple statement?  and claim you believe God?

No you are ALL,  (including my sweet Tweety)  setting some mans words above God's Word.

Jo Smith

P.s.  funny, we both started a serpent thread on our boards.  Let's work both boards.  I mean to nail this subject down once and for all.  let the cowards run.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/27/2007 3:56 AM
It is utterly absurd to even bring a reptile snake into this discussion of God's Word.  It is the most carnal and vile of man who could have suggested such foolishness and teach it to innocent, unsuspecting little children.
 
There is absolutely not one word in all of Scripture to even suggest that any ANIMAL of any kind is involved here.  This is totally SPIRITUAL SPEACH, AS IS ALL OF GOD'S HOLY WORD.
 
You do all reduce God to some kind of joke and jester, or foolish drunk man, to suggest that God sent some animal to talk to Eve, or that Satan did this, or that it was even possible.  It is junk doctrines.  I truly cannot find words bad enough to describe this junk.
 
Until you learn the truth of who the serpent really is,  you will never understand any of this.  That is how men like Dakes and Branham fell into such foolish and devilish teachings.  They apparently did not have any connection with truth or God's holy Spirit!!!!! 
 
No true man of God could ever have come up with such filth as this doctrine is !!!
 
There is not one word of Scripture to even suggest that some animal, of any sort, is connected with this that happened to Eve and Adam.
 
Have any of you ever even tried to find from Scripture what that tree was?  If not, how can you expect to know this truth?
 
Why do you reject God's clear explanaition of who this serpent was?  It very clearly says that it was Satan, the devil.
 
But then you must find Scripture proof of who Satan and devil is.  That is where the mystery and the answer really lies.
 

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/27/2007 4:06 AM
Tweety,  when you use Strongs', in order to get a full picture you must research all of the leads, not just one.  And besides,  most of the time, he only gives us the natural meanings of words,  not the spiritual, which is the Word of God.
 
But in this case, the other leads show us it could not have been a natural snake.
 
So here is the other leads:
 
05175   //  vxn  //  nachash   //  naw-khawsh'  // 

from  
05172  ; TWOT - 1347a; n m

AV - serpent 31; 31

1) serpent, snake
1a) serpent
1b) image (of serpent)
1c) fleeing serpent (mythological)
 
05172   //  vxn  //  nachash   //  naw-khash'  // 

a primitive root; TWOT - 1348; v

AV - enchantment 4, divine 2, enchanter 1, indeed 1, certainly 1,
learn by experience 1, diligently observe 1; 11

1) to practice divination, divine, observe signs, learn by experience,
diligently observe, practice fortunetelling, take as an omen
1a) (Piel)
1a1) to practice divination
1a2) to observe the signs or omens
 

Now, in all honesty,  how could some natural animal fulfill the second lead meaning here?  No animal, or snake could prectice DIVINATION,  DIVINE,  observe signs,  practice fortunetelling,

who did that?  Her husband.  He was the one who divined.  He was the one who wanted to go to law, to observe signs and omens.  He was the one who took the world into  IDOL WORSHIP.  He took the world to law.

find out what the TREE  is.  Use the  KJV FOR YOUR ANSWERS.

Follow this thought of ENCHANTMENT into some more studies and you will find that it leads to the serpent wispering enchantments to her.  And there is more.  I will find where I have it already written up.

 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/27/2007 4:17 AM
Do you see where the serpent knew what God had said about the fruit of the tree? The serpent gave Eve the impression that God said that Adam and Eve could not eat of any of the fruit of the garden. And in the next passage, Eve tells the serpent what God said? But she added something to the statement. God did not say that they could not touch the fruit of the garden. If you do not agree with what I just said. Go back and find out what God said about the fruit of the tree. He did not say that they could not touch it. They could not eat it. [Tweety]

How do you think that the 'serpent',  an animal,  knew what God had said about the fruit of the tree?

How did he know?  how did he learn this?  There must be some scripture to reveal this....for we know that we are not to think above what is written,....or make up theories....or just decide to think this or that,  or add our own thoughts, perhaps,  maybe's,  or any such.

It must be written in Scripture, or it is SIN TO SAY IT.

Do not add to his words,  lest he add the plagues of the Book to you.

Do not take away from his words, lest he take your part out of the Book of life.

Do any of you take this seriously?  You had better.  It is God's Word.

 

What you are saying is NOT GOD'S WORD.

Jo,....in His love...and care for his sheep. The wolves will run and hide.

is the wolf a real animal?  is the sheep a real animal?

If not,  why is the serpent a real  animal?  Do you really have any idea of God's Word?  any of YOU?  I think not.


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From: MSN NicknameAxs2-381Sent: 3/27/2007 8:57 PM
maybe this should be in another thread, but for now I will put it on this thread.
 
I took this from Tweety's board and she says==== I know one thing so far: The serpent was not Satan.( Tweety)
 
Acts 2_38- Ok, Miss Tweety, may I ask, do you know more than God, because the Word said and I quote from the KJV.  

Re 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. ( It said that old serpent called the Devil and Satan wich deceived the whole world. Now, did not the serpent deceive Eve? Sure he did. This is as plain as light and darkness, it said that the serpent was called the devil and Satan

Re 20:2 - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, ( Again the serpent is called the devil and satan, there are your 2 witnessess)

Now I need you to show scripture that backs up that the serpent is not Satan. I need scripture, not what Fenis Dake says. Prove all things, with the word.


Satan had fallen already. God would not have allowed him nowhere near the Garden of Eden. Please think about that. Would God allow something so evil as the Devil to come near his new creation of man? God had a plan for man in the begiining. Do you think he would allow the Devil to mess it up? So that is where I think Dake drew the conclusion of Satan was not in the garden, but used a serpent to do his evil bidding to destroy man. ( Tweety)
 
Acts 2_38- Tweety. we can not go on what we think. we are not to tink above the word of God. I can not go what i think, or joie or anyone else. We must prove all things. You hav enot given and scripture for what you are saying. Where is it writen that satan had already fallen? Where did you get this from?
 
Where is it written that satan was not in the garden and used a serpent to his evil bidding to destroy man? 
 
The serpent is Satan and I and joie have proved it time after time, and you have rejected it for what Fenis Dake says. Are you going to keep on putting him before the Word.     

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/27/2007 10:55 PM
Good post, Axs.  all I see right now is that people are just passing around other men's lies.
 
See this is exactly how all false doctrine got its start.  Some man, who did not study the Word of God, or just causally read some of it,  puts his own carnal imaginations to it.  He-- they  never seek for the answers from the Word of God.
 
God will judge them all guilty who have set darkness for light this way.
 
They are refusing the clear Scriptural explanation of this to cover up for old ADAM,  THE OLD SERPENT.
 
If that old serpent was an animal,  or a snake,  then someone still needs to tell us  WHAT KIND OF ANIMAL THE PHARISEES WERE?
 
wERE THEY SNAKES CRAWLING ON THEIR BELLIES?
 
nOW YOU NEED TO GET THIS RIGHT OR YOU ARE GUILTY OF CALLING JESUS STUPID.  HE SAID THE PHARISSES WERE SERPENTS,,,,AND THEY DECENDED FROM    SETH.....NOT CAIN.
There are no decendants of Cain since that flood.
 
This is another obvious FACT which all these serpents overlook.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/27/2007 11:26 PM
Tweety, go back and carefully chapter two.  God had not said one word about that tree opening their eyes, or making them wise or as gods.
 
See that is the LIE  serpent Adam, told to Eve, in order to deceive her into taking it.  She would not have taken it if she had heard the TRUTH, which God HAD told this evil serpent.
God had told him in the day you eat,  you shall DIE.
See that is why Eve answered with this.  She had been told it would make them die.
 
She held to that until he also added his own thoughts and LIES.  He then made up some doctrine of his own,  to suit his own desires.  He made this other part up.
 
If you think he did not make this up,  go find and quote me the place where God said it will make you wise and be like gods.  WHERE DID GOD EVER SAY THOSE WORDs?
 
He never said that.  Just as he never said the serpent is an animal, or turned into a literal snake,  crawling around on the ground.  This is NOT ONCE IN SCRIPTURE.  IT IS MADE UP LIES.
Why would you rather hold to these man-made lies than to learn some real truth?
 
That serpent did not have some unusual knowledge.  He made up this lie to deceive Eve with.
Until you get to taking ONLY  what the Word of God does say, and reject what is not written,  you will never,  ever  see the truth.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/28/2007 3:52 AM

[[William Branham]]'s teachings

 

William Branham was not the first to preach this doctrine, but because his teachings on this doctrine are well documented, they are presented in summary here. William Branham taught that the fall of mankind resulted from Eve having sexual intercourse with an upright 'Serpent'* From this relationship, Cain was conceived and produced as a man/serpent. While from a scientific perspective, it is unusual to have interspecies hybrids that are fertile, it is not impossible as evidenced by animals such as the [[Beefalo/cattalo]] (a cross of an American Bison and a domestic European cow) and the [[Wolphin]] (a cross between a False Killer Whale and a Bottlenose Dolphin). The result of these interspecies cross-breeds is that they produce an offspring that has to breed back into one of its parental lineages. This would mean that Cain's children would have come through Adam's daughters, and the evidence of any difference between Adam and Cain's lineages would have been diluted with each successive generation. 


It really amazes my mind that men fear not to make up such gross, filthy lies against God's Word, in order to sound as if they know something, and to deceive the hearts of the simple  (who do not study the Word of God.)

Now I am asking coffeman, who admits to believing this ungodly lie, to get in here and stand for what you believe.  Either prove it or admit you are wrong.

All others, take note.  Not one word of God said that Cain's children would have come through Adam's daughters.  That is not how generations are counted or named.  They all run through SONS.

<NOBR>Ge 4:17</NOBR> And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
<NOBR>Ge 4:18</NOBR> And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
<NOBR>Ge 4:19</NOBR> And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
<NOBR>Ge 4:20</NOBR> And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
<NOBR>Ge 4:21</NOBR> And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
<NOBR>Ge 4:22</NOBR> And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.


Cain had only seven generations.  That is ALL.  They never went any further!  why?  A prophecy of God, in Job, and Psalms, shows that certain wicked men are cut off shortly after that man's death.  This prophecy speaks both of Cain and Judas, the betrayer.  It shows that these men have not one single male left to carry on their family line, not even so much as nephew.

Cain had no family members alive on this earth at the time of the flood.  They do not exist today.  They have not existed sinceTubalcain.

That was the END of Cain's family line.  There are none of them.  There have been none of them this side of the flood.  In fact they did not live to the flood.

that prophecy cut them all off shortly after Cain's death.  They did NOT continue through some of adam's daughters.  This is LIES OF MAN.  ....the SERPENT still at work!  All who pick this lie up and carry it are SERPENTS.

Now any of you who hold to these lies,  show me proof of something else.  I have shown you above here,  Scripture proof of how Cain's line went through his sons.  They had only seven generations and they are no more!  Forever.

So they could not be the ancestors of those  SERPENTS IN JESUS' DAY.

Jesus admited that this group of SERPENTS came from Abraham,  from Seth.

So the serpents came from Seth's family, not Cains.  See the lies!    there is no Satanic line here from Cain.  It is ungodly, ignorant lies.

Coffemen?  Prove me wrong.   (if you think you can).  No, you know you can't.  I don't think you will show up for this discussion, as you would not on your own board.  You cannot fact someone who knows the Truth.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/28/2007 4:02 AM
Tweety, and all of you.  the word  SNAKE  is not once in ALL of the Word of God.  not one time is this word,  SNAKE, mentioned in God's Word.
 
Now that should settle it forever that the Word is NOT SPEAKING OF ANY SNAKE HERE.
 
So it proves that the interpretation of man on this matter is full of lies.  If we interpret anything correctly,  THERE MUST BE AT LEAST TWO VERSES SOMEWHERE SAYING WHAT WE USE FOR INTERPRETATION.
 
You cannot just make up interpretation.  you MUST prove what you say  with Written Scripture.
So  no man can prove the serpent was a snake, then or ever,  because the word snake is not in scripture.
 
But serpent does mean a hypocrite.  And hypocrite is many times in Scripture.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/30/2007 2:46 AM
Since I have gotten no answers yet, on Tweety's board, from those who claim to understand this subject,  I did a question to Tweety, and a little chide to coffe and bill.  Here it is.  You might enjoy this,  but it is dead serious.  Everyone really should take this way of proving everything you believe.  Is it really God's word,  or somebodies elses?  Serious business.
 

Tweety,  I would like to ask you what do you believe Eve did wrong?  What was her sin?  You don't believe the sex theory,  so what is your version?
You say you do not believe the serpent was Satan.  You think he was some kind of reptile animal, right?  You think he was an upright snake, or something of this nature.
 
So I wish to find out what do you really believe happened there.  What did Adam do wrong?  Do you really believe some ANIMAL came up to the Holy Daughter of God and began talking to her?  and led her to disobey her God?
 
Is that what you all really believe?  That Eve believed some animal above God?  She risked death to listen some weird animal, standing on two feet as a human man,  and talking in human voice?  She listened to a snake instead of God?
 
My, my.  She must have really been some weak, puny thing with no faith at all in God????
 
Is that what all of you believe?  Are you all afraid to come forth and proclaim loud and clear what you allow to lay in your heart as faith?  If you believe this are you ashamed to prove it and stand for it.......coffeman?///////bill????///
 
Somebody join this conversation.  I said you would not.  Are you really standing on solid ground?  Are you really so knowledgable?  Are you really of God.  am I really the one who does not know Scripture,  is not of God,  needs conversion by a man, Dake?
 
Where and how did Dake explain all of this?  Somebody tell me.  Prove it with Scripture.
 
What did the serpent tell Eve to do?   What did she do?  What was her sin?
 
Coffeman, bring forth some Scripture proving what you believe.....and if you can't  ,  why do you believe it?
 
.....  (coffe's theory.....)>>>> Branham 5: 33...the serpent knew Eve, Adam's wife,  and Eve conceived a son by the serpent.....later that day, Adam knew her also and  she conceived another son.......then later she had Cain, the son of the Serpent...and then Abel, the son of Adam.
 
IS THAT HOW YOUR BOOK READS?
 
Dake 4:22.... the serpent, an upright snake, walked up to Eve and talked to her.  he told her to go right ahead and eat of that tree, it will make you wise and you will be a god.   so eve listend to this beautiful and charming snake and disbelieved her God and did as the serpent, an animal,  advised her to do.
 
IS THAT HOW YOUR BOOK READS?
 
BILL.......  "I HAVEN'T  READ THAT FAR YET".   "please have me excused".
"I haven't figured this one out yet."  eh?

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