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 Message 1 of 12 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 6/28/2007 3:40 AM
From: Isaiah  (Original Message) Sent: 10/6/2003 11:02 PM
  Rome Demands, Worship the Pope!

Greetings everyone in these last days of Earth's history. In this Truth Provided Newsletter I hope to share evidence that the Pope not only desires worship of mankind, he demands it just as the Caesar's of Rome did! All too often in the media we hear the Pope referred to as the "Holy Father" by both the Roman Catholic hierarchy as well as the media itself. Anyone with a competent knowledge of Bible Truth is aware that the term "Holy Father" is a title given by the Son of God Himself for His Father in Heaven.

  •  17:11, "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are."

In this passage, Jesus is calling His Father in Heaven, HOLY FATHER. Yet everywhere you look, Catholic Bishops, Cardinals, Priests, Nuns, Catholic people, the media, and even Fundamental Evangelical Christians and their flock call the pope Holy Father instead!

I sincerely pray that most of you reading understand the prophetic significance of this term 'holy father' that is directed towards a man. A man prophecy so amply defines as the man of sin. I also pray you realize Satan's sole objective is to be worshiped as God so as to conquer His Throne as the Prophet Isaiah revealed to us in chapter fourteen of his book. But how is worship defined in the Word of the God we as Christians choose to worship?

  • Exodus 34:14, "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:"

Most of us know what it means to worship the Lord, as this is an ingrained feature of the Christian. However, the wicked are mostly unaware of worship, what it entails, nor do they understand "acts of worship." If they knew what it meant they would not worship the things they do. A generalized definition of the word 'worship' would entail not only an agreement with ones god or idol, whatever that god or idol may be, it can also be associated with the overwhelming love of that person's god or idol. Everything from hobbies to sexual addiction, to love of money, and even food can become a god that becomes a receptacle of worship. And to touch on each and everyone of these aspects of worship would cause for one huge Newsletter that would not address that which I feel can be bluntly expressed with simple TRUTH as you will soon see.  Instead, I would like to address what is referred to in the Word as an ACT OF WORSHIP. This way we can see "openly" what entails "worship" according to Scripture. And then we can see openly if the Pope is not only desirous of this worship, but demanding it as well.

So... how does the Strong's Concordance define the word "worship" in the above passage? 


  • WORSHIP:
    Strong's # 07812 shachah {shaw-khaw'}
     a primitive root; TWOT - 2360; v
     
    AV - worship 99, bow 31, bow down 18, obeisance 9, reverence 5, fall down 3, themselves 2, stoop 1, crouch 1, misc 3; 172

 1) to bow down
    1a) (Qal) to bow down
    1b) (Hiphil) to depress (fig)
    1c) (Hithpael)
        1c1) to bow down, prostrate oneself
             1c1a) before superior in homage
             1c1b) before God in worship
             1c1c) before false gods
             1c1d) before angel


The main "act" of worship as it is defined here is to "bow down" or "prostrate oneself" in "homage" to a superior or God or false gods or even an angel. The Word of God shows us ALL these acts of worship throughout. We see men bowing to idols, false gods, angels, superior's and yes even to God Himself in Scripture. One of my favorite areas to illustrate this has to be in the book of Daniel. I like using Daniel because it actually applies to today's world as we will all SOON see.

Daniel 3:4-6, "Then an herald cried aloud, To you it is commanded, O people, nations, and languages, That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up: And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace."

Nebuchadnezzar commanded WORSHIP of the golden idol he had set up before the people. And what was his chosen act of worship? To BOW DOWN before the image! And it is confirmed by the Almighty Creator that to bow down was an act of worship here. You can see this verified by the way He saved the lives of Shadrach, Mesach, and Abednego in the fiery furnace in Chapter 3:24-26. These three friends of Daniel chose NOT to bow down, or prostrate themselves, or fall down before the image. Therefore they were thrown into the fiery furnace to die.

My question is this... If bowing down was "no big deal" like so many people today declare, then WHY I ask would these three young friends of Daniel choose a very painful death over simply laying prostrate before the golden image king Nebuchadnezzar set up? They could have just bowed down like all the others, and "faked it," so they wouldn't have to burn. Fact is, the majority of the people bowing before the huge statue were doing so because they feared the fire. They were NOT worshipping the statue in their hearts, were they? Yet... the Almighty Creator saw it as an ACT OF WORSHIP regardless as to "why" they did it. Actions most certainly speak louder than words. Again, if it is no big deal to bow down before statues, then why did Jesus Christ go to such miraculous lengths and actually appear IN THE FIRE with them to save them from certain death for obeying His Commandments? The person who trivializes this Biblical fact is truly one who desires NOT to obey the Lord.

Nebuchadnezzar was simply being directed by Satan to seek worship of mankind because THAT is the sole objective of the fallen angel once named Lucifer. He requires mankind to "set his stage" for him so that when he arrives as "Jesus Christ" in our day, mankind will be primed and ready to bow to absolutely anything the man of sin, he controls, suggests.

For as long as my memory can take me back I have seen pictures and heard stories of how ANYONE seeking an audience with the Pope MUST bow before him and kiss his ring. Many do it in private so as to "secretly" agree with him for obvious reasons. However, some must do it PUBLICLY so as to condition the people under their command that this Pope is a man worthy of worship. In other words, the President of the United States will hardly be photographed kissing the Pope's ring, or bowing before him because it is common knowledge that the United States is already considered a nation in agreement 100% with Rome. However, nations that play the rebellious tribe towards Rome, must kiss his ring in public so as to soften their peoples to Rome's agenda. When the people see their leaders bowing before this man, many of them will follow suit!

So... before seeking worship. The Pope must first claim he is worthy of worship. Is there evidence of this? Does the Pope declare himself a god on earth worthy of worship?

Read the following please...


"The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man (...) he is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power." -Lucius Ferraris, «Prompta Bibliotheca», 1763, Volume VI, 'Papa II', pp.25-29

  "The supreme teacher in the Church is the Roman Pontiff. Union of minds, therefore, requires (...) complete submission and obedience of will to the Church and to the Roman Pontiff, as to God Himself." -Leo VIII, «On the Chief Duties of Christians as Citizens», Encyclical letter, 1890
 
"
God separates those whom the Roman Pontiff, who exercises the functions, not of mere man, but of the true God (...) dissolves, not by human but rather by divine authority." -Decretals of Gregory IX», Book 1, Chapter 7.3
 
"Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions (infernorum)." -Lucius Ferraris, «Prompta Bibliotheca», 1763, Volume VI, 'Papa II', p.26)

"Innocent III has written: "Indeed, it is not top much to say that in view of the sublimity of their offices the priests are so many gods." -The dignity of the priesthood by Liguori p, 36

"The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh." Catholic National July 1895.

"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty" ...
Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20, 1894,


If you need further proof regarding this fact, I have many many more quotes from the pope regarding his desire to be WORSHIPPED AS A GOD ON EARTH on this page, just (By the way, I have finally been able to re-structure that page so you can find certain quotes by topic now)

According to the Pope, yes, he does ask for worship. I ask... is it confirmed? Are there people performing ACTS OF WORSHIP towards the pope in public so as to move the masses? A picture IS worth a thousand words is it not?!


pope-arafat.gif.jpg  Here we see Yassir Arafat, the leader of over a BILLION Muslims kissing the pope's ring. This is actually an act of worship. Notice how Arafat's head is bowed to kiss the ring of the pope? When Muslims who are definitely NOT Christians, see this, they will assume by their leader's actions that all is well with Rome and its political as well as religious agenda. You will notice however, the Pope is actually "helping" Arafat by raising his hand to be kissed. This way the "bow" is lessened placing the two on "level ground" so to speak. Why? Do the math! Over 1 Billion Catholics. Over 1 Billion Muslims. They need each other. Period!

The "bowing" is better illustrated when you look at what appears to be prince Charles kissing the pope's ring. The pope could have easily lifted his arm to prevent Charles from bowing as he did for Arafat. But the BOW is a necessity in WORSHIP! And thepopeworship5.jpg government of Great Britain is one historically known to speak out against the Vatican. Their "Schism" caused much turmoil many years back, and still has a bit of a problem today. Bowing now illustrates once again that "all is well" with Great Britain and Rome. That is the main reason Pope John Paul refuses to raise up his hand to be kissed by Prince Charles. It's an open and obvious statement. Prince Charles MUST bow. The people of Great Britain need to see it! So... he bows! (I am not 100% positive this is in fact Prince Charles by the way. Irregardless, the man IS bowing.)

Kissing in itself is also an act of worship, and or love as many are already aware. That is why in the Catholic church we see certain acts involving kissing, are required on certain holy days.


Consider the word WORSHIP-ED

Strong's Number:   4352
Transliterated Word:   Proskuneo
Definition:


  a.. to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence
  b.. among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and
touch the ground with the forehead as an  expression of profound reverence
  c.. in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make
obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
    1.. used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank
      1.. to the Jewish high priests
      2.. to God
      3.. to Christ
      4.. to heavenly beings
      5.. to demons

I recall as a young Catholic having to stand in line to kiss a CROSS of wood held by a priest in the front of the church with all the people in the congregation on a certain day each year. I also recall kissing a "newly blessed statue" as part of it's "arrival" to the church. I was also told to "genuflect" before it the day it was "blessed." (To genuflect is to go down on ONE KNEE and make the sign of Baal (cross) on your body) I happened to be walking out of the church the day the pastor was "blessing" a statue. He had a crowd already gathered to join him in the blasphemy of blessing the idol. As I walked out, he stopped to ask me if I would join in because I was "active" in the church and needed to be "an example." I agreed, and did as he suggested. We prayed with him... we genuflected before the statue individually... and we kissed it.popeworship2.jpg
 cinema_back.gifHere we see a woman doing the act of worship. But she's NOT bowing. Why? Notice the wheelchair? 

Here we see the statue of St Peter, the so called first Pope of the Roman Catholic church. This statue by cinema_next.gifthe way was first called "JUPITER" in the Pagan temples of Rome, it was later moved to the Vatican and renamed "St. Peter."

If you look closely you will see how the right foot is extended forward on the pedestal so that WORSHIPERS can come forward to BOW DOWN and KISS the foot.

aniblue12_back.gif In fact, so many people have kissed this foot that the finished has worn off of it completely! The golden bronze has been revealed underneath, and the features of the toe have been almost completely rubbed away from the soft kisses of the worshipping Catholics.

Seeing how Peter is "supposed" to be the first Pope of the Roman Catholic church, it is obvious the church not only condones WORSHIP OF THE POPE, it encourages it! Seriously!  Think about this simple reality for a moment. If the Pope was against papal worship, as the Bible so amply is, he would have banished the kissing of this statue's foot hundreds of years ago! You would think that after the first BILLION or two people kissed this statue, the Pope would have gotten wind of this obviously blasphemous act. Instead, they allowed it with their blessings! So much so that the foot on this statue is worn down considerably by the gentle kisses of BILLIONS upon BILLIONS! Do you realize how many kisses from the extremely soft lips of mankind it would take to wear the BRONZE down on this foot? It truly boggles the mind! I can't even imagine how many kisses it would take! Try to picture yourself in a time machine watching all this. Fast forward through the days, years, decades, and centuries and try to count how many people have bowed down and kissed that hunk of metal the Catholic church declares is holy. Watch how ever so slowly each 1000 kisses may causes a microscopic layer of that bronze to wipe away! WOW



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/28/2007 3:41 AM
From: Isaiah Sent: 10/6/2003 11:06 PM
 

Revelation 13:3 is oh so bluntly accurate when it states, "... all the world wondered after the beast."

Still.. some may be a bit skeptic. Some may say that "bowing down" is a generalized definition and not worthy of consideration. These of course would have to be practicing Catholics because in their Catechism books, it is realized that the Second Commandment has been completely REMOVED from their churches doctrinal books. The reason this commandment is not found in the teachings of this church is because it states plainly, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.""-Exodus 20:4-6

When you have a church that ignores and even OMITS God's Law, you will have a people that are ignorant of it as well. So these people would ignore the "bowing down" as a trivial matter, and possibly embrace the "laying prostrate" as a more accurate description of an act of worship. With that in mind, see the following pics...

popeworship7.jpg This pic had the following caption...

"Inside Sty. Peter's Basilica candidates
for priesthood from 22 countries lie prostrate
in humility before the high altar as they take
their vows during an ordination Mass
celebrated
by Pope John Paul II.
" -National Geographic
pages 720-722 foldout.

 Who sits in that "high altar" you ask?

pope-worship-ordination.jpg That's right! THE POPE! cinema_next.gif

The pic on the right even zooms in on the Pope sitting there as the priests lay prostrate before him in worship. After "laying prostrate" before his "high altar" the newly ordained priests parade one by one to have the Pope "bless" them before entering into priesthood as you can see in the pic on the right. And still, the majority of them are homosexual men, and a large number of them seek the flesh of young boys to fulfill their animal passions. And because of certain "omissions" regarding the TRUTH in God's Word, they see no danger in this lifestyle either. Pray for them! Pray especially for the little ones they seek to destroy!  popeworship1.jpg

Here we see a Cardinal kneeling before the pope as he sits on a throne to kiss his ring. This is not only done before all who look upon. This is also broadcast across the Globe for all eyes to see. popestat.jpg 

And strangely enough. EVEN BEFORE HE IS DEAD we see the Roman Catholic church has already created a statue cinema_next.giffor the present day pope, John Paul II. This way, the faithful Catholic can worship him even in death immediately upon his arrival to the grave.

Has this desire to be worshipped now escalated beyond the leaders of government as well as church leaders? Has the Pope decided it is time now to demand worship from those simple Catholics sitting in his pews day after day? Notice the following article...

July 1, 2000 (David W. Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service, 1701 Harns Rd., Oak Harbor, WA 98277, [email protected]) -- Pope John Paul II, in a 1996 "Apostolic Exhortation," encouraged Catholics to reverence the papacy as the "sweet Christ on earth." Following is an excerpt --

"In founders and foundresses [of the consecrated orders of nuns and priests, etc.] we see a constant and lively sense of the Church, which they manifest by their full participation in all aspects of the Church's life, and in THEIR READY OBEDIENCE TO THE BISHOPS AND ESPECIALLY TO THE ROMAN PONTIFF. Against this background of love towards Holy Church, 'the pillar and bulwark of the truth' (1 Tim 3:15), we readily understand the devotion of Saint Francis of Assisi for 'THE LORD POPE', the daughterly outspokenness of Saint Catherine of Siena towards the one whom she called 'SWEET CHRIST ON EARTH', the apostolic obedience and the sentire cum Ecclesia of Saint Ignatius Loyola, and the joyful profession of faith made by Saint Teresa of Avila: 'I am a daughter of the Church'. We can also understand the deep desire of Saint Theresa of the Child Jesus: 'In the heart of the Church, my mother, I will be love'. These testimonies are representative of the full ecclesial communion which the Saints, founders and foundresses, have shared in diverse and often difficult times and circumstances. THEY ARE EXAMPLES WHICH CONSECRATED PERSONS NEED CONSTANTLY TO RECALL if they are to resist the particularly strong centrifugal and disruptive forces at work today. A DISTINCTIVE ASPECT OF ECCLESIAL COMMUNION IS ALLEGIANCE OF MIND AND HEART TO THE MAGISTERIUM OF THE BISHOPS, an allegiance which must be lived honestly and clearly testified to before the People of God by all consecrated persons, especially those involved in theological research, teaching, publishing, catechesis and the use of the means of social communication. BECAUSE CONSECRATED PERSONS HAVE A SPECIAL PLACE IN THE CHURCH, THEIR ATTITUDE IN THIS REGARD IS OF IMMENSE IMPORTANCE FOR THE WHOLE PEOPLE OF GOD" (Pope John Paul II, "Apostolic Exhortation on the Consecrated Life and Its Mission in the Church and in the World," to the bishops and clergy, religious orders and congregations, societies of apostolic life, secular institutes, and all the faithful, given in Rome, at Saint Peter's, March 25, 1996)

What we see here is an open and obvious prophetic fact that the Lord God Almighty is one that accurately describes all that is Antichrist to the minutest detail. It is written in Revelation 13:1 that the organization of Antichrist will be that of a blasphemous nature. One that will actually think to "take the place of God" on Earth. One that will seek the WORSHIP OF MANKIND! And in our lifetime we see this man of sin not only seeking global worship, we also see that he is preparing to receive this worship just as Nebuchadnezzar sought. BY FORCE if need be!

And just like Nebuchadnezzar desired to force men to break a commandment of God. Which COMMANDMENT do you suppose the modern day "Caesars of Rome" will try to force mankind to break in these last days?
 

popesunday.jpg
COMMANDMENT # 4!

Pope Pius IX, in his "Discorsi" (I., p. 253), said:  "The Caesar who now addresses you, and to whom alone are obedience and fidelity due."

"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act... And the act is a MARK of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things." H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons.

"Sunday is our MARK of authority. . .the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact" Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1,1923.

"Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever  did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed  from Saturday to Sunday. "The day of the Lord" was chosen, not from any  direction noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power .... People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole  authority, should logically become Seventh-day Adventists, and keep Saturday  holy." (Saint Catherine Church Sentinel, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995.)

Protestants do not realize that by observing Sunday, they accept the authority of the spokesperson of the Church, the Pope. -Our Sunday Visitor», 5 February 1950.)

Council, Moscow, 1503 : "The accused (
Sabbath-keepers) were summoned; they openly acknowledged the new faith, and defended the same. The most prominent of them,...were condemned to death, and burned publicly in cages, at Moscow, Dec 17.1503- H. Sternberfi, Geschichte der Juden

 "The inquisitors...(declare) that the sign of a Vaudois (Waldeneses of France, Sabbathkeepers) deemed worthy of death, was that he followed Christ and sought to obey the commandments of God" - History of the Inquisition of the Middle Ages, H.C. Lea, Vol 1.

Will the people of this church and the world embrace the popes commands as if he were god on earth? Will Rome be able to brainwash them enough to make them display him as their god? Will they be brainwashed enough to display overwhelming emotions when standing in his presence? Notice the pics below.

popeworship3.jpg

 popeworship4.jpg

TORONTO, July 23 (UPI) -- His Holiness Pope John Paul II tries tocinema_next.gif soothe 16 year old Anthony Ramuscak, who is overcome by emotion on meeting the Pope, soon after the Pontiff's arrival for World Youth Day activities in Toronto, Canada on July 23, 2002. Christine Chew/UPI

popeworship6.jpg 

Look at the faces of these young people! SHAME ON THEIR PARENTS! They have taught them to worship a mere man! A Man prophecy defines as the man of sin!

Pray for them often! PLEASE!

 By the way.. as I was surfing online for a pic of the foot of "St Peter's" statue to show how literally billions have worn away the finish on the foot of the statue when they BOWED BEFORE IT to kiss the foot. I ran across this statue of "St peter" for sale on a Catholic website.

Notice the UPSIDE DOWN CROSS of the Satanist at the bottom half of the statue? Now before I get flooded with emails from the Catholics that are receiving this Newsletter thanks to some of you that evangelize them with these facts. I KNOW Peter was hung upside down on the cross. But the cross itself was NOT upside down. Only the body of Peter was inverted. So, please... do not email me on this. I have NUMEROUS other pictures of inverted crosses used by the Vatican. I also have numerous pics of the inverted crosses used by the Satanist.

Ever notice this?

The Satanic church has priests that wear black clothing and hooded robes as well as special robes for "holy days." They chant while walking upon symbol enriched floor tiles. They use colored candelas. They use incense and ritualistic incantations. They perform sacrifices. They pray in Latin. They have a hierarchal structure to their church. A large majority of their leaders are gay. They have gatherings that are called a "mass." They acknowledge certain "holidays" of the year directly adopted from Paganism. They seek high offices in the political arena to further their agenda. And their leaders seek worship of man. They are literally setting up the arrival of Satan as the leader of all mankind.

The Catholic church has priests that wear black clothing and hooded robes as well as special robes for "holy days." They chant while walking upon symbol enriched floor tiles. They use colored candelas. They use incense and ritualistic incantations. They perform sacrifices. They pray in Latin. They have a hierarchal structure to their church. A large majority of their leaders are gay. They have gatherings that are called a "mass." They acknowledge certain "holidays" of the year directly adopted from Paganism. They seek high offices in the political arena to further their agenda. And their leaders seek worship of man. They are literally setting up the arrival of Satan as the leader of all mankind.

 And BOTH seek to destroy Christianity. 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/28/2007 3:43 AM
From: Isaiah Sent: 10/6/2003 11:11 PM
 

Popes claiming to be God on Earth:

-These words appeared in the Roman Canon Law: "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical.-I?i the Gloss "Extravagantes" o.f Pope John XXII Cum inter, Tit. XIV, Cap. IV. Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium, Paris, 1685.

-Father A. Pereira says: "It is quite certain that Popes have never approved or rejected this title 'Lord God the Pope,' for the passage in the gloss referred to appears in the edition of the Canon Law published in Rome in 1580 by Gregory XIII."

-Writers on the Canon Law say, "The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth."- Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V. - Cardinal Cusa supports his statement.

.-Pope Nicholas I declared that "the appellation of God had been confirmed by Constantine on the Pope, who, being God, cannot be judged by man." - Labb IX Dist.: 96 Can. 7, Satis evidentur, Decret Gratian Primer Para.

"The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man (...) he is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power." -Lucius Ferraris, «Prompta Bibliotheca», 1763, Volume VI, 'Papa II', pp.25-29

  "The supreme teacher in the Church is the Roman Pontiff. Union of minds, therefore, requires (...) complete submission and obedience of will to the Church and to the Roman Pontiff, as to God Himself." -Leo VIII, «On the Chief Duties of Christians as Citizens», Encyclical letter, 1890
 
"God separates those whom the Roman Pontiff, who exercises the functions, not of mere man, but of the true God (...) dissolves, not by human but rather by divine authority." -Decretals of Gregory IX», Book 1, Chapter 7.3
 
"Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions (infernorum)." -Lucius Ferraris, «Prompta Bibliotheca», 1763, Volume VI, 'Papa II', p.26)

"Innocent III has written: "Indeed, it is not top much to say that in view of the sublimity of their offices the priests are so many gods." -The dignity of the priesthood by Liguori p, 36

"The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh." Catholic National July 1895.

"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty" ...Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20, 1894,

"For thou art the shepherd, thou art the physician, thou art the director, thou art the husbandman, finally thou art another God on earth." Labbe and Cossart's "History of the Councils." Vol. XIV, col. 109

The title "Lord God the Pope" is found within a gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, title 14, chapter 4,

In an Antwerp edition of the Extravagantes, the words, "Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam" (Our Lord God the Pope) can be found in column 153. In a Paris edition, they are found in column 140.

Roman Catholic Canon Law stipulates through Pope Innocent III that the Roman pontiff is "the vicegerent upon earth, not a mere man, but of a very God;" and in a gloss on the passage it is explained that this is because he is the vicegerent of Christ, who is "very God and very man." Decretales Domini Gregorii translatione Episcoporum, (on the transference of Bishops), title 7, chapter 3; Corpus Juris Canonice (2nd Leipzig ed., 1881), col. 99; (Paris, 1612), tom. 2, Devretales, col. 205

"The pope is the supreme judge of the law of the land... He is the vicegerent (replacement) of Christ, who is not only a Priest forever, but also King of kings and Lord of lords." - La Civilia Cattolica, March 18, 1871, quoted in Leonard Woosely Bacaon, An inside view of the Vatican Council (American Tract Society ed.), p.229, n.

The Bull Unam Sanctam... Issued by POPE BONIFACE VIII reads as follows:  "The Roman Pontiff judges all men, but is judged by no one. We declare, assert, define and pronounce: to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is to every human creature necessary for salvation that which was spoken of Christ 'thou has subdued all things under his feet' may well seem verified in me... I have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all and above all, so that God himself and I, the vicar of God, have but one consistory, and I am able to do all that God can do."

"Christ entrusted His office to the chief pontiff;... but all power in heaven and in earth has been given to Christ;... therefore the chief pontiff, who is His vicar, will have this power." Corpus Juris chap. 1 column 29, translated from a gloss on the words Porro Subesse Romano Pontiff

 "The pope is the supreme judge of the law of the land . . . He is the vicegerent of Christ, and is not only a priest forever, but also King of kings and Lord of lords"--La Civilta Cattolica, March 18, 1871.

 "All the faithful must believe that the Holy Apostolic See and the Roman Pontiff [the Pope] possesses the primacy over the whole world, and the Roman Pontiff is the successor of blessed Peter, Prince of the Apostles, and is true vicar of Christ, and heed of the whole church, and father and teacher of all Christians; and that full power was given to him in blessed Peter to rule, feed, and govern the universal Church by Jesus Christ our Lord."--First Dogmatic Constitution on the Church of Christ, "Eternal Pastor," published in the fourth session of the Vatican Council, 1870, chap. 3, in Philip Schaff, Creeds of Christendom. vol. 2, p. 262.

“The Pope’s authority is unlimited, incalculable; it can strike, as Innocent III says, wherever sin is; it can punish every one; it allows no appeal and is itself Sovereign Caprice; for the Pope carries, according to the expression of Boniface VIII, all rights in the Shrine of his breast. As he has now become infallible, he can by the use of the little word, “orbi,�?(which means that he turns himself round to the whole Church) make every rule, every doctrine, every demand, into a certain and incontestable article of Faith.  No right can stand against him, no personal or corporate liberty; or as the [Roman Catholic] Canonists put it—�?B>The tribunal of God and of the pope is one and the same.�?/B> -Ignaz von Dollinger, “A Letter Addressed to the Archbishop of Munich�?/FONT>  1871; as quoted in MacDougall, The Acton Newman Relations (Fordham University Press) pp. 119,120.
 
"The Saviour Himself is the door of the sheepfold: 'I am the door of the sheep.' Into this fold of Jesus Christ, no man may enter unless he be led by the Sovereign Pontiff; and only if they be united to him can men be saved, for the Roman Pontiff is the Vicar of Christ and His personal representative on earth." (Pope John XXIII in his homily to the Bishops and faithful assisting at his coronation on November 4, 1958).

"This is our last lesson to you: receive it, engrave it in your minds, all of you: by God's commandment salvation is to be found nowhere but in the Church; the strong and effective instrument of salvation is none other than the Roman Pontificate." (Pope Leo XIII, Allocution for the 25th anniversary of his election, February 20, 1903; Papal Teachings: The Church, Benedictine Monks of Solesmes, St. Paul Editions, Boston, 1962, par. 653).

"Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors." (Pope Pius XI, Encyclical, Mortalium animos, January 6, 1928, The Papal Encyclicals, Claudia Carlen, I.H.M., McGrath Publishing Co., 1981, pp. 317, 318).

"We define that the Holy Apostolic See (the Vatican) and the Roman Pontiff hold the primacy over the whole world."-A Decree of the Council of Trent, quoted in Philippe Labbe and Gabriel Cossart, "The Most Holy Councils," col. 1167.

"Of what sublime dignity is the office of the Christian priest who is thus privileged to act as the ambassador and the vicegerent of Christ on earth! He continues the essential ministry of Christ; he teaches the faithful with the authority of Christ, he pardons the penitent sinner with the power of Christ, he offers up again the same sacrifice of adoration and atonement which Christ offered on Calvary. No wonder that the name which spiritual writers are especially found of applying to the priest is that of 'alter Christus.' For the priest is and should be another Christ" (Faith of Millions, John O'Brien, Ph.D., LL.D., 268-269, "nihil obstat" by Rev. T. E. Dillon-Censor Librorum and "imprimatur" by John Francis Noll, D.D. -Bishop of Fort Wayne).

"But as for you and your companions, you certainly sin, if, having heard the decrees of the Apostolic See, and of the universal Church, and the same is confirmed by Holy Writ, you refuse to follow them; for, though your fathers were holy, do you think that their small number, in a corner of the remotest island, is to be preferred before the universal Church of Christ throughout the world? And if that Columba of yours (and, I may say, ours also, if he was Christ's servant), was a holy man and powerful in miracles, yet could he be preferred before the most blessed prince of the Apostles to whom Our Lord said 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, and to thee I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven'?" When Wilfrid had spoken thus, the king said, "Is it true Colman, that these words were spoken to Peter by Our Lord?" He answered, "It is true, O king!" Then says he, "Can you show any such power given to your Columba?" Colman answered, "None." Then added the king, "Do you both agree that these words were principally directed to Peter, and that the keys of heaven were given to him by Our Lord?" They both answered. "We do." Then the king concluded, "And I also say unto you, that he is the door-keeper, whom I will not contradict, but will, as far as I know and am able, in all things obey his decrees, lest, when I come to the gates of the kingdom of heaven, there should be none to open them, he being my adversary who is proved to have the keys." (St. Bede, Ecclesiastical History of the English Nation, quoted in Readings from Church History, Volume I, edited by Fr. Colman Barry, O.S.B., The Newman Press, Westminster, MD, 1966, p. 273.)


 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/28/2007 3:45 AM
From: Isaiah Sent: 10/6/2003 11:13 PM

Vatican declares its murderous hatred for Bible believers

"The greatest of all the ecumenical Councils held in the West previous to Trent had been Innocent III's Fourth Lateran Council (1215).  In the 3rd Canon of that Council it is enacted that bishops should inquire at least once a year in every parish, with power, if need be, to compel the whole community on oath to name any heretics whom they knew.  An aider or abettor of a heretic is himself ipso facto excommunicate; if discovered and publicly excommunicated, he incurs civil death, and those who communicate with such abettors shall themselves be excommunicated.  For the heretics themselves, they are to be 'exterminated,' and any prince neglecting to exterminate them is to be deposed by the Pope, who will release his subjects from their allegiance.  Even, if we would otherwise have doubted what 'extermination' means in its final implications, the word is clearly glossed by St. Thomas Aquinas (Summa 2-2, xi, 3) 'remove from the world by death.'" -Dr. G. G. Coulton - ANGLICAN ESSAYS:

"Experience teaches that there is no other remedy for the evil, but to put heretics (Protestants) to death; for the (Romish) church proceeded gradually and tried every remedy: at first she merely excommunicatied them; afterwards she added a fine; then she banished them; and finally she was constrained to put them to death." -Cardinal Bellarmine famous champion of Romanism cited by Schumucker p. 76

The Word says... "They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.  And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me." John 16:2-3

March 12, 2000, Pope John Paul II ADMITTED the Roman Catholic Church KILLED the believers and does NOT know the Father or Jesus. To deny that, is to deny the very words of Jesus Christ. See proof here... -Pope and Forgiveness?-

 "That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind, will be questioned by no Protestant who has a competent knowledge of history . . . It is impossible to form a complete conception of the multitude of her victims, and it is quite certain that no powers of imagination can adequately realize their sufferings."--W. E. H. Lecky, History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe, vol. 2, p. 32, 1910 edition.  (An excellent though lengthy article describing in detail the right of the Roman Catholic Church to do this, will be found in The Catholic Encyclopedia, vol. 12, p. 266.)

 "For professing faith contrary to the teachings of the Church of Rome, history records the martyrdom of more then one hundred million people. A million Waldenses and Albigenses [Swiss and French Protestants] perished during a crusade proclaimed by Pope Innocent III in 1208. Beginning from the establishment of the Jesuits in 1540 to 1580, nine hundred thousand were destroyed. One hundred and fifty thousand perished by the Inquisition in thirty years. Within the space of thirty-eight years after the edict of Charles V against the Protestants, fifty thousand persons were hanged, beheaded, or burned alive for heresy. Eighteen thousand more perished during the administration of the Duke of Alva in five and a half years."--Brief Bible Readings, p. 16.

 [On August 24, 1572, Roman Catholics in France, by pre-arranged plan, under Jesuit influence, murdered 70,000 Protestants within the space of two months. The pope rejoiced when he heard the news of the successful outcome. (Read Great Controversy, chapter 15 for the details.) [If you don't have a copy, write and we'll send you one.] "Catholics say only 30,000 were slain. Protestants put the number at 70,000. We prefer the latter figure. If there were 70,000 Huguenots [French Protestants] in Paris the night of the massacre, so much the more justification for the slaughter . . . We have heard ring out many times the very bells that called the Catholics together on that fatal night. They always sounded sweetly in our ears"--Western Watchman, Nov. 21, 1912 [Roman Catholic].

"You ask if he (the Roman Catholic) were lord in the land, and you were in a minority, if not in numbers yet in power, what would he do to you? That, we say, would entirely depend upon circumstances. If it would benefit the cause of Catholicism, he would tolerate you: If expedient, he would imprison you, banish you, fine you; possibly, he might even hang you. But be assured of one thing: He would never tolerate you for the sake of 'the glorious principles of civil and religious liberty' . . . Catholicism is the most intolerant of creeds. It is intolerance itself, for it is truth itself."--"Civil and Religious Liberty," in The Rambler, 8, Sept, 1851, pp. 174, 178. ["The Rambler" was an English Roman Catholic journal published from 1848 to 1862].

 "From the birth of popery to the present time, it is estimated by careful and credible historians, that more than fifty millions of the human family, have been slaughtered for the crime of heresy by popish persecutors,--an average of more than 40,000 religious murders for every year of the existence of popery to the present day. Of course the average number of victims yearly, was vastly greater, during those gloomy ages when popery was in her glory and reigned despot of the world; and it has been much less since the power of the popes has diminished to tyrannize over the nations, and to compel the princes of the earth, by the terrors of excommunication, interdiction, and deposition, to butcher their heretical subjects."--John Dowling, The History of Romanism, pp. 541-542.
 

 " 'The church,' says [Martin] Luther, 'has never burned a heretic.' . . I reply that this argument proves not the opinion, but the ignorance or impudence of Luther. Since almost infinite numbers were either burned or otherwise killed, Luther either did not know it, and was therefore ignorant, or if he was not ignorant, he is convicted of impudence and falsehood,--for that heretics were often burned by the [Catholic Church may be proved from many examples."--Robert Bellarmine, Disputationes de Controversiis, Tom. II, Lib. III, cap. XXII, 1628 edition [Bellarmine is one of the most respected Jesuit teachers in the history of the Gregorian University in Rome, the largest Jesuit training school in the world].
 

"There are many unquestionable cases of Protestants punished as heretics in nearly all the lands where Roman Catholics have had power, right down to the French Revolution [right down to 1798]."--G. G. Coulton, The Death-Penalty for Heresy, Medieval Studies, No. 18, 1924 edition, pp. 62 [The author was a well-known member of the French Academy and an enthusiastic champion of Catholicism].

"The Catholic Church has persecuted ... when she thinks it is good to use physical force she will use it... Will the Catholic Church give bond that she will not persecute?... The Catholic Church gives no bonds for her good behaviour." -Western Watchman, Dec. 24, 1908

"The church may by divine right confiscate the property of heretics, imprison their person, and condemn them to flames.  In our age, the right to inflict the severest penalties, even death, belongs to the church.  There is no graver offense than heresy, therefore it must be rooted out." - Public Eccliastical, Vol. 2, p.142.

Mr. Raywood Frazier, in the booklet "Catholic Words and Actions," presents documentary proof of the intensive persecution of Protestants and non-Catholics in Columbia, South America, between 1949 and 1953. The Catholic Church had the support of the Columbian government in the destruction of many churches, and the liquidation of more than 1,000 documented cases -- some of whom were shot, drowned, or emasculated. He says there is evidence of over 60,000 killed. Pope Pius XII awarded the President of Columbia with one of the highest awards which the Church bestows, and praised Columbia for its example of the Catholic faith." (Pp. 59,60)

The defense of Roman Catholics to this presentation is as follows: "Communists destroy churches because they are God's enemies; Catholic's destroy churches because they are God's friends... Against such men-founded churches... Catholics in Latin America should arise and wipe them out with fire." -John J. Oberlander, in The Voice of Freedom, 1954, p. 20.

The rector of the Catholic Institute of Paris, H.M.A. Baudrillart, revealed the attitude of the church and her leaders toward persecution. "When confronted with heresy," he said, "she does not content herself with persuasion, arguments of an intellectual and moral order appear to her insufficient, and she has recourse to force, to corporal punishment, to torture." The Catholic Church, The Renassance, and Protestantism, pp. 182-183

 The following collection of quotes are cited from The American Textbook of Popery which in turn quotes from the Directory for the Inquisitors (page numbers listed are for the Directory)--

"He is a heretic who does not believe what the Roman Hierarchy teaches. --A heretic merits the pains of fire. --By the Gospel, the canons, civil law, and custom, heretics must be burned."--148, 169

"All sects of heretics are condemned and various punishments are appointed for them and their accomplices." --Pope Alexander IV, --p. 135

"Statutes that impede the execution of the duties which appertain to the office of Inquisitors are null and void." --Pope Urban IV, p. 106

"They who bury persons knowing them to be excommunicated, or their receivers, defenders, or favourers, shall not be absolved unless they dig up the corpse; and the place shall be deprived of the usual immunities of sepulture." --Pope Alexander IV, p. 104

"All defence is denied to heretics." p. 153

"For the suspicion alone of heresy, purgation is demanded." --p. 156

"Heretics are by right condemned." --p. 157

"He who is without the church can neither be reconciled nor saved." --p. 144

By the way... The BIBLE says... Luke 3:14, "..., Do violence to no man"


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/28/2007 3:49 AM
From: Isaiah Sent: 10/6/2003 11:16 PM

Priests have MORE POWER than God Himself

" Power of Consecrating: The supreme power of the priestly office is the power of consecrating. 'No act is greater,' says St. Thomas, 'than the consecration of the body of Christ.' In this essential phase of the sacred ministry, the power of the priest is not surpassed by that of the bishop, the archbishop, the cardinal or the pope. Indeed it is equal to that of Jesus Christ. For in this role the priest speaks with the voice and the authority of God Himself. When the priest pronounces the tremendous works of Consecration, he reaches up into heavens, brings Christ down from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to be offered up again as the victim for the sins of man.

"It is a power greater than that of monarchs and emperors: it is greater than that of saints and angels, greater than that of Seraphim and Cherubim. Indeed it is greater even than the power of the Virgin Mary. For, while the Blessed Virgin was the human agency by which Christ became incarnate a single time, the priest brings Christ down from heaven, and renders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim for the sins of man - not once but a thousand times! The priest speaks and lo! Christ the Eternal and Omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest’s command.

"Of what sublime dignity is the office of the Christian priest who is thus privileged to act as the ambassador and the vicegerent of Christ on earth! He continues the essential ministry of Christ; he teaches the faithful with the authority of Christ, he pardons the penitent sinner with the power of Christ, he offers up again the same sacrifice of adoration and atonement which Christ offered on Calvary. No wonder that the name which spiritual writers are especially found of applying to the priest is that of 'alter Christus.' For the priest is and should be another Christ" (Faith of Millions, John O'Brien, Ph.D., LL.D., 268-269, "nihil obstat" by Rev. T. E. Dillon-Censor Librorum and "imprimatur" by John Francis Noll, D.D. -Bishop of Fort Wayne).

"The priest says: Hoc est corpus meum, he has to say it for the validity of the consecration. Meum! But it is not he who says these words; his voice indeed we hear, but he is only the instrument of the Sovereign Priest: our Lord speaks through His minister. The glory of this minister consists precisely in disappearing, in allowing Jesus to act through his personality: Sacerdos alter Christus.This Christ now offering Himself to God by the hands of the priest is the same Christ who is in heaven. Same happiness, same power, same majesty. He is performing the same acts, offering the same adorations, the same thanksgiving, the same prayers. He, the object of the beatitude of the elect, is now in the hands of the priest: Agnoscite quod agitis. But if really the priest causes our Lord to be present on the altar, if he offers Him, whilst Jesus is now in heaven, have we not to conclude that it is from the very bosom of the Father that the priest draws this divine Victim? Agnoscite quod agitis". (Our Priesthood, Rev.Joseph Bruneau, S.D.D., 149-151, "nihil obstat" by M.F. Dinneen, S.S.,D.D. -Censor deputatus, "imprimatur" by James Cardinal Gibbons -Archbishop of Baltimore, "Re-Imprimatur" by Michael J. Curley -Archbishop of Baltimore).

"The Consecration and Transubstantiation: The last time we left off, we were reflecting upon our participation in the "Communion of Saints" at mass. All who believe in Christ as Savior and Lord are united to Him and to each other. We pray that our unity may be complete. Christ holds His faithful to Himself in this world (The Church Militant). He holds to Himself the souls in purgatory (The Church Suffering) and He holds most closely and intimately those already in Heaven (The Church Triumphant). As we approach the moment when bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Christ (which is called the Consecration) the Communion of Saints is realized. Where Christ is present, there are His saints in glory, the holy souls in purgatory and all of us struggling in this world. As I have said before the mass transcends space and time. Peri Lamy, a French priest and visionary who lived up until the 1930's, would have conversations not only with our Lord and Lady, but also with saints and angels during mass. What was open to His eyes visibly is open to our eyes in faith." By Rev. Richard M. Miles, http://www.miraclerosarymission.org/mi94oct.htm



 

Larry, as I am moving this thread,  which I am so glad that I found,  I am looking at some of this stuff.  I had forgotten this.  It is much too great imformation to be just sitting idly back on some far off back page here.

People need to read this stuff and see what evil that Catholic mess really is.  I thank you for finding this and giving it to us.  May we not lose it again, but keep this dreadful evil in our hearts and minds, and teach the younger generation of this horrible, anti-christ evil.

May everyone escape from this devilish evil and come to the true God.  I guess I forget it was this bad.  don't see how any right thinking person could ever believe this evil junk.

It is a great work you did in finding and giving us this dreadful information.

Thanks.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/28/2007 3:50 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameIsaiah·</NOBR> Sent: 10/7/2003 9:25 PM

Vatican openly admits it embraces Babylon

 Cardinal Newman admits in his book that; the "The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison [Note 17], are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church. {374}" -An Essay on the The Development of the Christian Doctrine John Henry "Cardinal Newman" p.359

The penetration of the religion of Babylon became so general and well known that Rome was called the "New Babylon." -Faith of our fathers 1917 ed. Cardinal Gibbons, p. 106

"In order to attach to Christianity great attraction in the eyes of the nobility, the priests adopted the outer garments and adornments which were used in pagan cults." -Life of Constantine, Eusabius, cited in Altai-Nimalaya, p. 94

"The Church did everything it couldto stamp out such 'pagan' rites, but had to capitualet and allow the rites to continue with only the name of the local diety changed to some Christian saint's name." -Religious Tradition and Myth. Dr. Edwin Goodenough, Professor of Religion, Harvard University. p. 56, 57

In Stanley's History, page 40: "The popes filled the place of the vacant emperors at Rome, inheriting their power, their prestige, and their titles from PAGANISM."

 

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Quotes of Popes declaring Mary worthy of worship:

"O Mary Mother of Mercy and Refuge of Sinners! We beseech thee to look with pitying eyes on poor heretics and schismatics. Do thou, who art the Seat of Wisdom, enlighten the minds wretchedly enfolded in the darkness of ignorance and sin, that they may clearly recognize the Holy, Catholic, Roman Church to be the only true Church of Jesus Christ, outside of which neither sanctity nor salvation can be found. Call them to the unity of the one fold, granting them the grace to believe every truth of our holy faith and to submit themselves to the Supreme Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Jesus Christ on earth, that, thus being united with us by the sweet chains of charity, there may soon be but one fold under one and the same Shepherd; and may we all thus, O Glorious Virgin, exultantly sing forever: ‘Rejoice, O Virgin Mary! Thou alone hast destroyed all heresies in the whole world!�?Amen." (Pope Pius XII, The Raccolta, Benzinger Brothers, Boston, 1957, No. 626).

May 7, 1997 (David W. Cloud, Fundamental Baptist News Service, 1701 Harns Rd., Oak Harbor, WA 98277) - On May 7 Pope John Paul II dedicated his general audience to "the Virgin Mary" and urged all Christians to accept Mary as their mother. He noted the words spoken by Jesus on the cross to Mary and to John--"Woman, behold thy son!" and "Behold thy mother!" (John 19:26,27), and he claimed that in this statement "IT IS POSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND THE AUTHENTIC MEANING OF MARIAN WORSHIP in the ecclesial community ... which furthermore is based on the will of Christ" (Vatican Information Service, May 7, 1997).

John Paul II underlined that "the history of Christian piety teaches that MARY IS THE PATH THAT LEADS TO CHRIST, and that filial devotion to her does not at all diminish intimacy with Jesus, but rather, it increases it and leads it to very high levels of perfection." He concluded by asking all Christians "to make room (for Mary) in their daily lives, ACKNOWLEDGING HER PROVIDENTIAL ROLE IN THE PATH OF SALVATION" (Ibid.).


Popes declaring Mary co-redeemer / co-redemptrix / co-savior

Leo XIII, Jucunda Semper, 1894: "When Mary offered herself completely to God together with her Son in the temple, she was already sharing with him the painful atonement on behalf of the human race ... (at the foot of cross) she willingly offered him up to the divine justice, dying with him in her heart, pierced by the sword of sorrow."

Pius X, Ad Diem Illum, 1904: "Owing to the union of suffering and purpose existing between Christ and Mary, she merited to become most worthily the reparatrix of the lost world, and for this reason, the dispenser of ALL favors which Jesus acquired for us by his death . . .

Benedict XV, Inter Sodalicia, 1918: "To such extent did Mary suffer and almost die with her suffering and dying Son; to such extent did she surrender her maternal rights over her Son for : man's salvation . . that we may rightly say she redeemed the human race together with Christ."

Plus XI, 1935, in a prayer to close a jubilee, we find the first use of the word Coredemptrix by a pope: "O Mother of love and mercy who, when thy sweetest Son was consummating the Redemption of the human race on in the altar of the cross, didst stand next to him suffering with him as a Coredemptrix."

Plus XII, in a radio broadcast in 1946: "Mary, for having been associated with the King of Martyrs in the ineffable work of human Redemption as Mother and cooperatrix, she remains forever associated with him, with an almost unlimited power, in the distribution of graces which flow from the Redemption."

John XXIII, Vatican II's Lumen Gentium, 1965.

Paul VI, Christi Matri. "The Church ... been accustomed to have recourse to that most ready intercessor, her Mother Mary ... For as St. Irenaeus says, she 'has become the cause of salvation for the whole human race"

John Paul II, Mother of the Redeemer, 1987.

Pius IX, Ubi Primum, 1849: "For God has committed to Mary the treasury of all good things, in order that everyone may know that THROUGH HER are obtained every hope, every grace, and ALL SALVATION. For this is his will, that we obtain everything through Mary."

Leo XIII, Supremi Apostolatus, 1883: "O Mary, the guardian of our peace and the dispensatrix of heavenly graces."

Plus X, Ad Diem Illum, 1904: "It was granted to the august Virgin to be together with her Only-begotten Son the most powerful Mediatrix and Conciliatrix of the whole world. So Christ is the source . . . Mary, however, as St. Bernard justly remarks, is the channel, or she is the neck by which the Body is united to the Head... through which ALL spiritual gifts are communicated to his Body."

Benedict XV, In a decree on Joan of Are: "In every miracle we must recognize the mediation of Mary, through whom, according to God's will, every grace and blessing comes to us."

Plus XI, Miserentissimus Redemptor, 1928: "Confiding in her intercession with Jesus, "the one Mediator of God and man, who wished to associate his own Mother with himself as the advocate of sinners, as the dispenser and mediatrix of grace."

Plus XII, Superiore Anno, 1940: "As St. Bernard declares, 'it is the will of God that we obtain favors through Mary, let everyone hasten to have recourse to Mary."

John XXIII, see Vatican II, Lumen Gentium.

Paul VI, see Lumen Gentium.

John Paul II, Dives in Misericordia, 1980, quoting Lumen Gentium, "In fact, by being assumed into heaven she has not laid aside the office of salvation but by the manifold intercession she continues to obtain for us the grace of eternal salvation."




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"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.  Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." -Revelation 13:17-18,

Pope John Paul II is the very first Pope in history to actually fulfill this prophecy two fold.



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From: joie Sent: 10/7/2003 9:49 PM
Brother Isaiah.  It is a great work you are doing in seeking and posting these stark, eye-opening messages here to show anyone willing to learn, how very evil and ungodly that old mess of Catholicism really is.  I thank you for this work.  May God use it to open blinded eyes and bring them into His true Light.
 
Jo

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The Pope is Christ's  Replacement (Vicar or Vicegerent) on Earth

     "The pope is the supreme judge of the law of the land....He is the vicegerent of Christ, and is not only a priest forever, but also King of kings and Lord of lords." La Civilta Cattolica, March 18, 1871 (quoted in "An Inside View of the Vatican Council" by Leonard Woosely Bacaon, p 229, American Tract Society edition).

     "We the Archbishops and Bishops of Ireland, prostrate at the feet of your Holiness, humbly offer you our warmest congratulations on the occasion of the Golden Jubilee of your ordination to the priesthood...our thoughts go back to that great event fifty years ago by which your Holiness was taken from amongst men and appointed for men in the things that pertain to God, was made a minister of Christ and a dispenser of His mysteries, received power over the real and mystical body of our Saviour and became a mediator between God and man - another Christ." Address of Irish Archbishops and Bishops to Pope Pius Xll, in 1949.

     "Receive the tiara adorned with three crowns and know that thou art Father of princes and kings, Ruler of the world, Vicar of our Savior Jesus Christ." Papal Coronation Ceremony.

     “All the names which are attributed to Christ in Scripture, implying His supremacy over the church, are also attributed to the Pope.�?Robert Bellarmine, in Disputationes de Controversiis, "On the Authority of Councils", book 2, Chapter 17.

     "...we promulgate anew the definition of the ecumenical council of Florence, which must be believed by all faithful Christians, namely that the apostolic see and the Roman pontiff hold a world-wide primacy, and that the Roman pontiff is the successor of blessed Peter, the prince of the apostles, true vicar of Christ, head of the whole church and father and teacher of all christian people. To him, in blessed Peter, full power has been given by our lord Jesus Christ to tend, rule and govern the universal church....
     "So, then, if anyone says that the Roman pontiff...has only the principal part, but not the absolute fullness, of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate both over all and each of the churches and over all and each of the pastors and faithful: let him be anathema." Pope Pius IX, in First Vatican Council, Session 4, First Dogmatic Constitution on the Church of Christ, Chapter 3, #1, 9, July 18, 1870.

     "The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh." Catholic National, July, 1895.

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameSearERIC</NOBR> Sent: 10/7/2003 10:15 PM
Isaiah;
This is all true.
Peace!

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameIsaiah·</NOBR> Sent: 10/8/2003 12:00 PM
 
Isaiah;
This is all true.( SearEric)
 
Thanks to you very much, just wish more people could see this evil that they are allowing to go on and never say one word aganist it.
I cannot say peace when there is no peace.    

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All People Must Be Subject to the  Authority of the Pope in Order to be Saved

     "Wherefore, by divine and catholic faith all those things are to be believed which are contained in the word of God as found in scripture and tradition, and which are proposed by the church as matters to be believed as divinely revealed, whether by her solemn judgment or in her ordinary and universal magisterium. Since, then, without faith it is impossible to please God and reach the fellowship of his sons and daughters, it follows that no one can ever achieve justification without it, neither can anyone attain eternal life unless he or she perseveres in it to the end. So that we could fulfil our duty of embracing the true faith and of persevering unwaveringly in it, God, through his only begotten Son, founded the church, and he endowed his institution with clear notes to the end that she might be recognised by all as the guardian and teacher of the revealed word. To the catholic church alone belong all those things, so many and so marvellous, which have been divinely ordained to make for the manifest credibility of the christian faith." Decrees of the First Vatican Council, Third Session, April 24, 1870, Dogmatic Constitution on the Catholic Faith, Chapter 3--On Faith.
 
     "They, therefore, walk in the path of dangerous error who believe that they can accept Christ as the Head of the Church, while not adhering loyally to His Vicar on earth. They have taken away the visible head, broken the visible bonds of unity and left the Mystical Body of the Redeemer so obscured and so maimed, that those who are seeking the haven of eternal salvation can neither see it nor find it." Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis Christi (On the Mystical Body of Christ), Encyclical promulgated on June 29, 1943, #41.
 
     "We teach,...We declare that the Roman Church by the Providence of God holds the primacy of ordinary power over all others, and that this power of jurisdiction of the Roman Pontiff, which is truly episcopal, is immediate. Toward it, the pastors and the faithful of whatever rite and dignity, both individually and collectively, are bound by the duty of hierarchical subordination and true obedience, not only in matters which pertain to faith and morals, but also in those which concern the discipline and government of the Church spread throughout the whole world, in such a way that once the unity of communion and the profession of the same Faith has been preserved with the Roman Pontiff, there is one flock of the Church of Christ under one supreme shepherd. This is the teaching of the Catholic truth from which no one can depart without loss of faith and salvation." Pope Pius XII, Ad Apostolorum Principis (On Communism And The Church In China), Encyclical Promulgated on June 29, 1958, #46.
 

     "You above all, venerable brothers, have known how this dogma of our religion has been unanimously and unceasingly declared, defended and insisted upon in synods by the Fathers of the Church. Indeed, they have never stopped teaching that 'God is one, Christ is one, the Church established upon Peter by the voice of the Lord is one;' 'the massive foundation of the great Christian state has been divinely built upon, as it were, this rock, this very firm stone;' 'this Chair, which is unique and the first of gifts, has always been designated and considered as the Chair of Peter;' 'shining forth throughout the world it maintains its primacy;' 'it is also the root and matrix whence sacerdotal unity has sprung;' it is not only the head but also the mother and teacher of all the Churches...'the Roman Pontiff, who holds Primacy in the entire world, is the Successor of Blessed Peter the Prince of the Apostles and the true Vicar of Christ, the head of the whole Church, and is the visible Father and Teacher of all Christians.' There are other, almost countless, proofs drawn from the most trustworthy witnesses which clearly and openly testify with great faith, exactitude, respect and obedience that all who want to belong to the true and only Church of Christ must honor and obey this Apostolic See and Roman Pontiff." Pope Pius IX, Amantissimus (On The Care Of The Churches), Encyclical promulgated on April 8, 1862, # 3.
 

     "Urged by faith, we are obliged to believe and to maintain that the Church is one, holy, catholic, and also apostolic. We believe in her firmly and we confess with simplicity that outside of her there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins...There had been at the time of the deluge only one ark of Noah, prefiguring the one Church, which ark, having been finished to a single cubit, had only one pilot and guide, i.e., Noah, and we read that, outside of this ark, all that subsisted on the earth was destroyed....Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff." Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, Bull promulgated on November 18, 1302.

     "The Saviour Himself is the door of the sheepfold: 'I am the door of the sheep.' Into this fold of Jesus Christ, no man may enter unless he be led by the Sovereign Pontiff; and only if they be united to him can men be saved, for the Roman Pontiff is the Vicar of Christ and His personal representative on earth." Pope John XXIII,  in To the Bishops and Faithful Assisting at His Coronation, Homily given on November 4, 1958.

     "But the supreme teacher in the Church is the Roman Pontiff. Union of minds, therefore, requires, together with a perfect accord in the one faith, complete submission and obedience of will to the Church and to the Roman Pontiff, as to God Himself.  This obedience should, however, be perfect...(and) must consequently be accepted without wavering....
     "Wherefore it belongs to the Pope to judge authoritatively what things the sacred oracles contain, as well as what doctrines are in harmony, and what in disagreement, with them; and also, for the same reason, to show forth what things are to be accepted as right, and what to be rejected as worthless; what it is necessary to do and what to avoid doing, in order to attain eternal salvation." Pope Leo XIII, in Sapientiae Christianae (On Christians As Citizens), Encyclical promulgated on January 10, 1890, #22-24.
 

     "This is our last lesson to you: receive it, engrave it in your minds, all of you: by God's commandment salvation is to be found nowhere but in the Church; the strong and effective instrument of salvation is none other than the Roman Pontificate." Pope Leo XIII, in Allocution for the 25th Anniversary of His Election, given on February 20, 1903 (quoted in "Papal Teachings: The Church", by the Benedictine Monks of Solesmes, St. Paul Editions, Boston, 1962, par. 653).



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From: joie Sent: 10/9/2003 1:12 AM
Hi, Isaiah.  It is late, and I am very sleepy; yet I just had to sit here and read all of this.  It is a dangerous thing to remain ignorant of these things in our day.  Thank you for this labour of finding and showing this group these things.
 
I feel in my spirit that this evil, hideous thing called the catholic church is feverishly at work even right now, trying to find a way to break our stronghold of freedom here in America and once again bring the whole world under their horrible dominion.  It it happens, all of us are doomed to torture and death -- unless God super-naturally intervenes this time and puts them down.
 
I am praying to see God destroy this evil mess off this earth in my day.
 
I also fear in my spirit that they are watching these things going on here and will try to take away our freedom to teach like this on the internet.
 
So it behooves us all to take advantage of this oportunity while we still can.  Avail yourselves of this time to teach, to study, to learn for those of us who are teaching.  Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
 
JO


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/28/2007 3:55 AM
From: Isaiah Sent: 10/9/2003 10:09 PM
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Well hello Mr. Pillar, good to have you back with us. Pull up a chair and join in.

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The Pope Has All  Power in Heaven and Earth and Can Change Divine Laws

     "The Pope is of great authority and power, that he is able to modify, declare, or interpret even divine laws. The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth..." Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica", Volume V, article on "Papa, Article II", titled "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility", #30, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.

      “Christ entrusted His office to the chief pontiff;... but all power in heaven and in earth has been given to Christ;... therefore the chief pontiff, who is His vicar, will have this power.�?Corpus Juris, chap. 1, column 29, translated from a gloss on the words Porro Subesse Romano Pontiff.

     “The Pope’s authority is unlimited, incalculable; it can strike, as Innocent III says, wherever sin is; it can punish every one; it allows no appeal and is itself Sovereign Caprice; for the Pope carries, according to the expression of Boniface VIII, all rights in the Shrine of his breast. As he has now become infallible, he can by the use of the little word, 'orbi,' (which means that he turns himself round to the whole Church) make every rule, every doctrine, every demand, into a certain and incontestable article of Faith. No right can stand against him, no personal or corporate liberty; or as the Canonists put it -- 'The tribunal of God and of the pope is one and the same.'�?Ignaz von Dollinger, in “A Letter Addressed to the Archbishop of Munich�? 1871 (quoted in The Acton Newman Relations (Fordham University Press), by MacDougall, p 119-120).

     "We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God....dissolves, not by human but rather by divine authority....I am in all and above all, so that God Himself and I, the vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do...Wherefore, no marvel, if it be in my power to dispense with all things, yea with the precepts of Christ." Decretales Domini Gregori ix Translatione Episcoporum, (on the Transference of Bishops), title 7, chapter 3; Corpus Juris Canonice (2nd Leipzig ed., 1881), col. 99; (Paris, 1612), tom. 2, Decretales, col. 205 (while Innocent III was Pope).

     "Therefore the decision of the Pope and the decision of God constitute one decision....Since, therefore, an appeal is always made from an inferior judge to a superior, just as no one is greater than himself, so no appeal holds when made from the Pope to God, because there is one consistory of the Pope himself and of God Himself." Augustinus Triumphus, in Summa de Potestate Ecclesiastica, 1483, questio 6. Latin.



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Vatican declares power over all governments

"[It is error to believe that] The Church ought to be separated from the State, and the State from the Church." Pope Pius IX, The Syllabus (of Errors), Issued in 1864, Section VI, Errors About Civil Society, Considered Both in Itself and in its Relation to the Church, #55.

"[It is error to believe that] Kings and princes are not only exempt from the jurisdiction of the Church, but are superior to the Church in deciding questions of jurisdiction." Pope Pius IX, The Syllabus (of Errors), Issued in 1864, Section VI, Errors About Civil Society, Considered Both in Itself and in its Relation to the Church, #54.

"[It is error to believe that] In the case of conflicting laws enacted by the two powers (Church and civil), the civil law prevails." Pope Pius IX, The Syllabus (of Errors), Issued in 1864, Section VI, Errors About Civil Society, Considered Both in Itself and in its Relation to the Church, # 42.

"Democracy is a michievous dream where the Catholic Church does not predominate." -Brownson's Review.

"There is one, and only one, sure democracy, the Catholicism of the Popes" -The Catholic World, Oct, 1937.

"Some dwell on the vastly increased tolerance shown in this country now to Catholics and Catholic thugs... It betokens a decay of Protestantism." -Catholic World, Oct. 1935, p.66

The old Protestant culture is about at the end of its rope... Why can't we make the U.S. Catholic in legislation, Catholic in justice, aims and ideals?" -Father F. X. Talbot, editor of America, official jesuit magazine for the U.S. statement in New York Globe Dec. 14, 1930

"Religious liberty is merely endured until the opposite can be carried into effect without peril to the Catholic Church." -Bishop O'Conner of Pittsburg.

"If Catholics ever gain sufficient numerical majority in this country, religious freedom is at an end. So our enemies say; so we believe" -The Shephard of the Valley, journal of the late bishop of St. Louis.

In the book Confusion Twice Confounded, Monsignor Joseph H. Brady states that the U.S. Supreme Court is wrong in decisions regarding "seperation of Church and State." He says: "A sound view of the Constitution in its relation to religion probably awaits a change in personnel in our highest tribunal." -The Register, Jan. 23, 1955.

"But Constitutions can be changed, and non-Catholic sects may decline to such a point that the political proscription [ban] of them may become feasible and expedient. What protection would they have against a Catholic state?" -The State and the Church, pp.38,39, by Miller and Ryan, imprimatur of Cardinal Hayes.

"The Catholic Church in this nation must live on to accomplish her work, even though our Republican form of government disappears." -The Catholic World, April, 1935, p.12. "

They [Catholics] must penetrate wherever possible in the administration of civil affairs... all Catholics should do all in their power to cause the constitution of states, and legislation to be modeled on the principles of the true Church." -Encyclical of Leo XIII.


Under the influence of Germanic customs and concepts, torture was little used from the 9th to the 12th centuries, but with the revival of Roman law the practice was reestablished in the 12th century... In 1252 (Pope) Innocent IV sanctioned the infliction of torture by the civil authorities upon heretics, and torture came to have a recognized place in the procedure of the inquisitional courts. -New Catholic Encyclopedia, arts. "Inquisition", "Auto-da-Fe'," and "Massacre of St Bartholomew's Day."

HOLY OFFICE STILL EXISTS
Pope John Paul II Revives Inquisition 

The thought of a revived Holy Office of the Inquisition would pacify some and offend others. Nevertheless, the "Holy Office" still exists. Only it's name has been changed. Pope John Paul II has been instrumental in its revival. One may argue that this Ratzinger run agency is merely an attempt by the Catholic Church to root out communism or backslidden priests and their practices. However, with John Paul II's objective to implement "God's mandate" by creating a global church-state which will administer from traditional Roman Catholic theology, is enough cause for alarm. Malachi Martin has already stated in his book, "The Keys of this Blood," that the pope will not tolerate any belief systems that oppose his, not on a civil or church level. In John Paul II the world will behold a tyrant who will coldly execute direct orders against those whom he deems are heretics or immoral. Moreover, like his papal predecessors, John Paul II will carry out his "Godly mandate" in the name of Christ, or perhaps Mary. May God help us all. -By Kathleen R. Hayes Feb 1991, NRI Trumpet Page 3

The Encyclical of Pope Pius X, issued in 1864, asserted: 

  • the right to require the State not to leave any man free to profess his own religion;
  • the right to employ force;
  • the right to claim dominion in temporal things;
  • the right to have the entire control of public schools;
  • the right to hold princes and kings in subjection;
  • the right to treat all marriages as invalid which are not solemnized according to the forms of the Council of Trent;
  • the right to prevent the State granting to immigrants the public exercise of their own worship;
  • the right to require the State not to permit free expression of opinion;

“The Pope’s authority is unlimited, incalculable; it can strike, as Innocent III says, wherever sin is; it can punish every one; it allows no appeal and is itself Sovereign Caprice; for the Pope carries, according to the expression of Boniface VIII, all rights in the Shrine of his breast. As he has now become infallible, he can by the use of the little word, “orbi,�?(which means that he turns himself round to the whole Church)
make every rule, every doctrine, every demand, into a certain and incontestable article of Faith.
  No right can stand against him, no personal or corporate liberty; or as the [Roman Catholic] Canonists put it—�?B>The tribunal of God and of the pope is one and the same.�?/FONT> -Ignaz von Dollinger, “A Letter Addressed to the Archbishop of Munich�?/FONT>  1871; as quoted in MacDougall, The Acton Newman Relations (Fordham University Press) pp. 119,120.

During the Reagan administration, President Ronald Reagan, after much pressure, appointed an ambassador to VATICAN CITY! When W. Kenneth Dan was asked why we need an ambassador in Vatican City, He replied; "It would allow the USA to influence the political decisions of the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH!"

THIS LITERALLY VIOLATES THE FIRST AMENDMENT!

AMENDMENT I. :

Religious establishment prohibited. Freedom of speech, of the press, and right to petition. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 


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From: joie Sent: 10/9/2003 11:37 PM
Larry, know why all these people are believing this lie of Jesus not being God's Son's name?  Because they refused the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.  Without the H.G. they have not the true interpreter of the Word.
 
Without the H.G. they are none of his.  The refused the wonderful Baptism in water in the Name of Jesus Christ as God the Father commanded us to do, so they never received the promised H.G.
 
So, they did not receive a love for the TRUTH.  God said He would send them all a STRONG DELUSION who receive not the LOVE OF THE TRUTH.
 
That is the TRUTH.  They love not this truth, but rejected God's chosen way of Salvation in the Name of Jesus, so God has sent them all a strong delusion.
 
God said He would choose their delusion.  They refused to be bapized in the Name of Jesus and receive the H.G. so God chose this delusion ~~~ that they cannot believe in the precious true name of JESUS.
 
Without this name being called over them in baptism, they cannot have salvation.  So God chose for them to never believe in this name.
 
He said they would  BELIEVE   A   LIE.  AND  BE DAMNED.  So just believing a thing does not bring salvation; in fact it brings damnation if you believe a lie.  Sure, they believe it with all their heart, but they are believing a LIE TO BE DAMNED.
 
Pityful, but so true.  They are headed to a devil's hell, for they deny God's Son who died for them.
 
Jo


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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameSearERIC</NOBR> Sent: 10/10/2003 12:30 AM
Rome got the idea, the best way to protect the roman empire was to set up a church,  you must understand, that protection to them means [ enslave the people ], the Jews had to cease being a people, now they too would become a religion. The trick here is,
After the death burial and resurrection of the Messiah we had moved into the age of Grace, no more jew or gentile.  Yahweh had reached out for those whom had died and believed under the Mosaic Law, and reached out to those to come, born under Grace and reconcile them into Him. 
 
Satan seeing this, set up the church, and sat himself in the seat of honor here on Earth, to Mock the Creator.  All over the world today you have little popes sitting in these Churches dispensing blessings in Yahweh's name as well as pagan names also.  Satan's point is to trick you into serving Him.  The Romans had vast experience in setting up governments and armies.  Satan thought that if He enslaved people and blamed it on God [ Yahweh ], missionaries, evangelist and such, the armies made up of Christan, Jewish, Muslim believing soldiers, it did not matter who won, the Church would always receive its share of gold and real-estate, for soldiers of all armies are equally duped by Satan. The Imps [ Politic ans ] of these different Nations are ruled by the Church and Temples.  When Muslims fight Moslem's, Allah always wins, He gets paid by booth, whomever wins, looses and vice versa as far as Allah is concern, they are all His slaves.  In the Middle East, all you hear day and night is pagan Gods being worship.  This is what is meant,when you read, the baby is born and Satan is waiting to greet him. Right from jump street you are taught things that are not of your Father, you are tricked into serving Satan, and if you don't there is a punishment.
 
Satan's new, yet not so new trick, is sacred name confusion.  Satan doesn't care, what name He enslaves you by, as long as you serve Him [ murder,lie,steal and rape one another ]. Then say you did it in God's name.  He knows he cannot reenter the Kingdom, so his desire is to get as many folks He can to Hell with Him.
Yahweh has reserved many unto Him, and Satan can't figure out what bodies they come in.  He is confused, how can they know, when I controlled the media,schools, etc...
 
He [ Satan ], can't see beyond the flesh.  WE ARE SPIRIT [ YAHWEH ], MANIFESTED !
 
PEACE!


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From: joie Sent: 10/10/2003 1:31 PM
For the most part this is certainly true and a horrible thing on earth.  The true Christian is persecuted; not the one doing the persecuting.
 
Jesus said they that are born after the flesh persecutes them born after the Spirit.  It all started back there when Cain killed Abel.
 
That is how you can tell the true ones and the false ones.  We are like deer ***  we never hurt anyone.
 
Jo- one of them.

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameSearERIC</NOBR> Sent: 10/10/2003 2:32 PM
I'm glad you see the Garden connection.
When you go through the Garden, you [ fleshly thoughts ] have to die.
Baby, a whole new world will open up to you.
 
Peace!


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From: joie2 Sent: 12/2/2003 10:22 PM
This is a wonderful Bible study.  I think it is time we left all the junk and got back to studying the Beautiful word of God.  All who do not wish to do so, go count your toes or whatever it is you likes to do.  I have had more than enough of the foolish mess going on in here.
 
It is time to stop it.  All who wish to study the Word of God get in here.  all others go do something else.


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