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Jesus : Is Jesus Really HIS Name?
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From: MSN NicknameTweety134  (Original Message)Sent: 4/14/2008 11:04 PM
I truly enjoyed reading this article that I got from another group.  Tweety
 
From: MudPie Dreamer  (Original Message) Sent: 1/10/2008 8:55 PM
 
Subject: What is the "real" name of Jesus?

On the road to Damascus Saul heard a voice saying:  I AM JESUS
 
Many are claiming that the Name of Jesus is not the name that can be used for the Christ or the Messiah. They insist the name is the Hebrew name Yashua or Jeshuah.  If anyone thinks that Hebrew was a common language among the Jews in the days of Jesus,  they are very wrong. Please bear with me as I seek to bring some light into this subject.
 
Hebrew was written in the Canaanite-Phoenician alphabet originally. It was in the 4th century BC that the Jews adopted the square alphabet from Aramaic. The Gezer Calendar is the earliest inscription known, which dates to around 925 BC. Biblical Hebrew or Classical Hebrew is known primarily from the Old Testament. This text only covers a period of around 1,000 years.
 
Hebrew was only spoken in Judaea until the 3rd Century. By this time Hebrew had died elsewhere. Hebrew by this time was not the common language in Israel. Even the Hebrew that was spoken then was a modified version known as Mishnaic (From the name of the Mishna, a highly mystical book of writings concerning Jewish spirituality.) When Israel spent time in Babylon during their captivities, Aramaic became their lingua franca (A language widely used among people who speak other tongues.) Targum (or translation of scriptures into Aramaic) was made to accommodate the switch from Hebrew to Aramaic.
 
In the days of Jesus Christ, Aramaic was still the lingua franca of the Hebrews. Hebrew was spoken nowhere by around 200 to 300 AD.  It had became a dead language except for usage in some Temple ceremonies, much the same as Latin has always been used by the Catholic Church in the same manner. Hebrew was only revived in a modified version by Ben Yehuda in Palestine in the late 19th century. This was done in order to provide a lingua franca for the Zionists to form the nation of Israel. This nation is antichristian in every way and is the head power of anti-christian thought in the world today. Anyone who thinks the religious powers in Israel accept or value Christ's teachings today any more than they did when He first taught them needs to look deeper. They especially hate the Christian religion as it was condensed and perfected by the apostle Paul--God's chosen vessel for that purpose.
 
(Rev 11:8 KJV) "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified."  Where was Jesus crucified? Jerusalem--the capitol city of Israel--the hub of religiosity of Jews everywhere, then as well as now.
 
Biblical Hebrew is the literary form of the very conservative dialect of Jerusalem. It crystallized in Jerusalem about 900 BCE and showed little change until the Babylonian Exile in the 6th century BCE.  From then on it became more and more an archaic literary vehicle radically different from the spoken Hebrew. As a literary (written) dialect it was used until the fall of the Second Temple in 70 CE.
 
It is estimated that 300,000 people in the Middle East speak the Modern East Aramaic dialect. The immigrant communities in Europe and the United States are included in this estimated number. The history of the Aramaic language over the last 2,800 years is known in considerable detail. Among living languages, only Greek can claim a longer continuously documented history.  Joseph, Mary, and Jesus spoke Aramaic, not Hebrew.
 
Aramaic appears among the ranks of known languages around 850 BC in Syria (the Tell Fekheriye stele). Aramaic spread with tremendous speed, and by the 6th century BC was being used as the administrative language and lingua franca of the entire Middle East, all the way from Afghanistan in the Persian Empire to Egypt. Many ancient Semitic languages, including Akkadian and Hebrew, died out and were supplanted by Aramaic. Only Greek rivaled Aramaic for dominance in the Middle East until the Arab conquest of the 7th century AD. Greek and Aramaic were the primary languages used throughout the Middle East during the times of Jesus Christ. A reference to Greek-speaking Jews is found clearly in the book of Acts. In Acts 6:1 certain early Christians in Jerusalem are spoken of as being "Hellenists."
 
The King James Version says, (Acts 6:1) "And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians (Hellenistai) against the Hebrews (Hebraioi), because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration."
 
Who were these Hellenists or "Greeks"? The term applies to Greek-speaking Jews, in whose synagogues Greek was spoken, and where undoubtedly the Septuagint Scriptures were commonly used. This is verified in Acts 9:29 where we read: "And he (Saul, whose name was later changed to Paul) spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians . . ." The "Grecians" or "Hellenists" were the Greek-speaking Jews, who had their own synagogues, even in Jerusalem."
 
Some Aramaic words and expressions are preserved in the Gospels, such as Talitha cum, which means, "Little girl, get up!" (Mark 5:41). Also, Abba ("Father"; Mark 14:36; Gal.4:6; Rom.8:15); Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani ("My God, my God, why have you forsaken me"; Mark 15:34); Cephas ("Peter"; John 1:42); Mammon ("Wealth"; Matt.6:24, RSV); Raca ("Fool"; Matt.5:22, RSV). In fact, we can be specific and say that Jesus spoke a Galilean version of "western Aramaic," which differed from that which was spoken in Jerusalem (Matt.26:73; compare Acts 2:7). Most people think that these preserved words are Hebrew but they are not. They are Greek/Aramaic terms.
 
Jesus is a translation of the Greek name "Iesous" (pronounced "[ee]yeh-sooce"). "Iesous" came over into the Latin as "Jesu" (pronounced "yehsoo") and it was directly translated into English as "Jesus." All original manuscripts of the New Testament exist in Greek. Jesus is the English pronouncement of our Lord and savior the Messiah. It is not a hebraic name and never was. It is Greek/Aramaic.
 
There is no name hated more in Israel by the antichristian Jews than the name of Jesus. Most Jewish believers do not want other Jews to know that they are believers in Jesus Christ. Until lately (among the believers in Israel) Jesus and Yeshua were consider one and the same name. As always, an antichristian stronghold has come through the religious Jews. Remember who it was who refused to accept Him, rejected, then persecuted and finally murdered him--not the common man and woman in Israel but the religious elite.  There are Pharisees and Scribes alive and well in Israel today--never doubt it.
 
The translation of Yeshua in Israel has been accepted only for a few years by the Jews. Since Iesous is the only known recorded name of the Messiah in the original text, this name has to be translated back into modern Hebrew by the Jews of today. Ignorant men forget the fact that Messiah's or Christ's name was only recorded in text as Iesous. Never was the name of Messiah or Christ recorded in Hebrew, ancient or modern. So the insistant complaint that Christians "don't know the name of their own God" is fallicious in the extreme. We do know who Jesus is and we know His name well.
 
The Hebrew language was dead until the end of the nineteenth century. Today's Hebrew is not the original. Aramaic is a big part of modern Hebrew. Foolish men, ignorant men, and evil men without wisdom always want to cause division within the body of Christ Jesus. This happened in the early church also.
 
(1 John 2:18 KJV) "Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time."
(1 John 2:19 KJV) "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us"
 
The saints can only be deceived by untrue and false doctrine. It is the ones that change the word of God that has been given to us by the Apostles that are antichrist. His name was only written as Iesous so Yeshua is a translation also. Anyone that cannot see this is a very ignorant person. Men's opinions mean nothing. Only the Apostles writings and manuscripts inspired by the Holy Ghost are to be believed. If after almost two thousand years modern day Hebrew had not been developed, this debate over the name of Jesus would not exist. We know as it gets closer to the end of this world antichristian deceit will increase.
 
(2 Tim 3:13 KJV) "But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived."
 
In Israel the religious modern Pharisees now are trying to state that DNA/CODES can prove who is a Jew of the Cohen Priesthood. The word of God tells us that genealogies mean nothing, but people in Israel are trying to prove their blood by ancestry, as a perquisite of a calling of God-- which is foolishness to the Lord.
 
(1 Tim 1:4 KJV) "Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do."
 
(Titus 3:9 KJV) "But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain."
 
Men are also trying to take a language that was dead for almost two thousand years and are causing great division over the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. The Yahweh believers and heretics blaspheme the name of Jesus by claiming it is a made up name and has no validity. When a word is translated into another language it is done so in order that others can pronounce the same word with the same meaning. Jesus is the English version of Iesous--the Greek name for the son of Mary whom we worship as the Son of God ie.  God clothed in the flesh of Man.
 
The word of God states: (Mat 1:21 KJV) "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS (Iesous): for he shall save his people from their sins."
 
# The Word of God states the name of Jesus means salvation to his people; [as in I AM SALVATION form] that is {IE �?(I AM) SOUS- (SALVATION)} I believe the Word of God and the Word of God alone.
 
Furthermore Saul heard the voice in the Hebrew tongue saying I AM JESUS.
 
JESUS MEANS JESUS.
 
[Acts 26:14 "And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.] [Acts 26:15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I AM JESUS whom thou persecutest."]  Hmmm. So we have here a clear witness of Jesus speaking in the Hebrew tongue--which at that time was Aramaic--and giving His name clearly as JESUS! Not Yeshua or Jeshua--or to be succint, the name would have been Joshua in the Hebrew of that time. But the name given by the voice that spoke directly to Saul's heart was JESUS.
 
And the confirmative is given in the BOOK OF REVELATION WHEN JESUS SAID “I JESUS�?and not any other name.
[Revelation 22:16 "I, Jesus,  have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."]
 
So called Christians are taking the word of Talmudic Rabbis that are antichrist and that follow the teachings of the Babylonian Talmud.  Some Christian's are falling for the opinions of antichrist Jewish religious men that have determined that Yeshua is the only valid translation.  I will keep repeating: Yeshua is a modern translation of Iesous into modern Hebrew, which is completely a new translation. If you happen to know the Word of God you will not be taken in by this vain thinking. That's why it pays to read the word--read and commit its truth to your heart so you will not be led astray.
 
We must not lose the NAME. Brothers and sisters, hang on to the Name of Jesus! There is salvation, healing, signs and wonders in the Name of Jesus and no other.  Don't be deceived in these last and perilous days.
 
Points to ponder:
*The Babylon Talmud was written in Aramaic.
*Everything concerning the Hebrew language during the times of Jesus is guess work.
* The true Hebrew language was all but dead to the common Jew in Israel at that time.
*We then have almost a two thousand year gap before a form of Hebrew was reinstated in the Middle East.
*During this time Iesous, (which was later translated as Jesus in English, directly from the Greek,) had all power to cast out devils, heal the sick. and save the lost.
*This great name of power that brought salvation is now stated to be a made up name.
 
 To me this last point is the most antichrist statement and attack against the truth that I believe I have ever encountered. I had to laugh when someone asked me to find a Jew that lived in Israel that prayed in the name of Jesus.   There are Jews who work with Jews for conversion that believe in Jesus Christ in Israel.  Many Jews pray in Jesus name,  others accept Yeshua and Jesus as one and the same name and that's OK, too. These Jews know that the original manuscripts of the New Testament were written in Greek. These Jews know that Paul wrote and taught the Messiah's name as Iesous, which was translated directly into English as Jesus.  In the same manner, modern Jews have translated the name of Jesus into today's Hebrew as Yashua. It is only one way of speaking it, much the same as the Latino believer says, Jesus, (pronouncing it as Hay-soos.) Christian Jews in Israel know who Jesus is the same as we in the west do.
 
Saints;  John, Peter, Paul and Jude knew that the antichrist that caused these same types of division in their days would grow in strength. (Jude 1:11 KJV) "Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core."
 
Men are trying to do away with a name that God has loved above all names for two thousand years and state that he will only accept the name of Yeshua that has only been used in the last few years.  If Yeshua is the modern Hebrew translation of Jesus or Iesous,  then either way  it is pronounced is fine. Paul wrote the name of Messiah in Greek and knew his name as Iesous. It never was written in the New Testament as Yeshua and if the Jews are going to translate it from Greek to Hebrew they will have to translate Iesous (Jesus) into Hebrew first.  Messiah's name never was originally written in the manuscripts in Hebrew but in Greek. To say that the name of Jesus ever appeared in any original manuscript is a lie. To say that the Jews have a right to translate Iesous into modern Hebrew as Yeshua is fine-- just as long as they accept Jesus as being the same name in English. The spoken name of Yeshua has never been great among the gentiles and most would not recognize it as the name of our Lord and savior.  The name of Jesus however is the greatest name known among all men worldwide. God's name as Jesus has been in existence since Paul wrote it down and has been translated into all languages.  It was not "lost" until Ben Yehuda formed modern Hebrew (the newest of languages.)
 
(Psa 72:17 KJV) "His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed." The name is important. Christians must hold onto it at all costs.
 
Anyone that states Yeshua is the only legitimate translation of Iesous is stating the true name of the Lord has been out of existence and unknown for almost the last two thousand years. This is an outright lie of the antichrist.  Don't buy into it.
 
The name of the Lord did not die out for two thousand years. Do not believe that his name has just been discovered by the Jews of today. Do not be deceived by those who have been deceived and are raised to deceive. Iesous has been translated directly into many languages and has power to save all that call upon that name. Men who do not know this are ignorant men with their own revelation. This false teaching is not of the God of Israel, which is my God,  and my savior Jesus Christ.
 
(Mat 24:11 KJV) "And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."
 
The Israel of today is the head of antichrist and in spiritual matters not the chosen nation of God. If possible the very elect will be deceived by the antichrist Messianic movement of some religious Jews. There is nothing but carnal pride in most of these Jews. Most think that they are special because of their linage or genealogy, which means nothing in the eyes of God today. Jews have no advantage in genealogy or in their modern Hebrew language of the nineteenth century.  I am talking about the ones that preach the Trinity (three distinct persons as God) and claim that Yeshua is the only pronouncement of the name of the Christ or Messiah that God accepts. The name Yeshua has only been in existence for less than one hundred years in the Christian Period and the "Holy Trinity" is a construct of the Catholic Church. They need to be reminded of the scripture: "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is ONE Lord!" The belief in the Godhead being three distinct persons came about during the rise of the Roman Church under Constantine. Jesus was a Jew--a practicing rabbi. He never believed or taught a trinity, but did teach that He and the Father were One.
 
Many gentiles are being deceived and are believing and claiming this same doctrine. They all are antichrist teachings. When men believe the Lord had no power to keep his own name for the last two thousand years they are totally men of unbelief and surely are not men of faith. Men that are of the promised seed of Abraham are men of faith that above all things believe that the Lord has preserved his name and brought salvation unto whosoever will accept him.  Have they not read that God no longer sees race, creed or gender? Have they not sat in a church that teaches we are all the same and one in His eyes? If they haven't recieved this truth of Jesus Christ they need to find a church that does teach it because it is the truth. And the truth will set you free.
 
(Acts 4:12 KJV) "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Praise God! That name is Jesus (who is the Christ or Messiah.)
 
Knowing God, being filled with the word through the blessed Holy Spirit the giver of life, and being circumcised of the heart is the only way to be born again into the true tribe of Judah, which is the true Israel of God.  Salvation does not come through the bloodline, genealogy, or DNA.  Salvation only comes through faith in Jesus Christ.
 
Blessings to you through our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,
MudPie
 

Sources,
 
1. Holy Ghost
 
2. Tapani Harviainen, Professor of Semitic Languages at the University of Helsinki
 
3. Holy Original Manuscripts of the New Testament, (as translated into various editions of the Holy Bible) Clarke's Commentary, Works of the Nicene and Post Nicene   Fathers,  Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.
 
4. The Department of Ancient Languages, S.M.U.
 
 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 4/14/2008 11:26 PM
MudPie said:  Have they not sat in a church that teaches we are all the same and one in His eyes?  Above this she said,  My Father and I are one, I suppose meaning the Jesus-only doctrine.
But see  how the above statement shows that none of them even see what they are saying,  that we are ALL ONE, IS THE SAME THING AS MY FATHER AND I ARE ONE.
 
She said,  God clothed in flesh.  This is NOT Scriptural.  Give me a verse saying this,  someone. 
 
Most of the article is good.....but it is still off either to the left, or to the right,  of real truth.  How?
 
Jesus Christ did not ever have an OT Name.  This is the true revelation from God.  Until people understand this, they will battle about the correct name and fall under some delusion.
 
I fully agree that Satan is the author of this false and damning teaching, denying the name of JESUS CHRIST.
 
Any teaching that leads people to deny JESUS CHRIST has to be of the devil.
 
So I do not believe a thing they say.  I do not believe that the name they proclaim,  Yeshuah, is in any Scripture.  it is not a true name for the Messiah.  I fully believe it is a secret name of SATAN.
Else why do those who cleave to this false name, DENY JESUS CHRIST?
 
think on this.  If they had some truth, it would NOT lead them to deny JESUS CHRIST AND THE PRECIOUS KJV.
 
anything that denys either of these is of the DEVIL.  Do not be deceived by these things.  Hold to pure and unshakable FAITH IN THE KJV.
 
It is our only hope for salvation.
 
No earthly language, either of today, or of ancient times, was the original language which God gave his word in.
 
the WORD OF GOD existed before any earthly language! 
 
He gives it to whom soever He chooses, who can HEAR, what the Spirit is saying in our day.

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From: MSN NicknameTweety134Sent: 4/15/2008 12:07 AM
Freeborn,
Mudpie did post that. I do not know where she got it from. Bro. Bryan was on her board and he stopped posting when he saw that I knew you. She is very good. And she now has a moderated board because of Sam. He said some nasty things and caused her to do that. From the article I see that the name of Yeshua is new. Where do they get this name from. I also understand that the article is saying that JESUS IS THE NAME. NOT YESHUA.  I enjoyed reading it. And thought that you would too.  Tweety

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 4/15/2008 12:44 AM
I did, tweety.  But I do not agree with it all.  Now she (he?) did say that Jesus is the name...but...also acknowledged the Yeshuah and Iesous".
Then the spanish rendering...Hay-soos.
 
Now I am staying SAFE, and staying only with the Name that God told me is above every name, and the one though which I personally have received many miracles,   and that is  JESUS CHRIST.
 
I will not proclaim any other nor use any other.
 
But I am glad you posted this here.  It should be a wake up call to those who have fallen into that trap of Satan, of denying Jesus Christ.

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From: MSN NicknameTweety134Sent: 4/15/2008 1:14 AM
Freeborn,
She believe in Jesus Christ. She reminds me of you in a way. I told her that you were my spiritual mother and I invited her here to Build on the True Foundation. Maybe she will join. Or yu can join her group. The name of the group is: One GOD Jesus Name Pentecostal Belivers Group.  http://groups.msn.com/OneGodJesusNamePentacostals/homepagewelcome.msnw
 
Oh By the way-I tried to tell St. Radical about Eve and Adam. He said do I have scripture for that. So now, I will go and deal with him. Love ya.  Tweety

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From: MSN Nicknamerollingstone444Sent: 4/15/2008 2:40 AM
Well, well.  seems I rolled around agian just in time.....what is this?  someone says Jesus is not Jesus?  that is just so foolish...they needs to try the north pole awhile...get their brain cooled down.  yea

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 4/15/2008 3:51 AM
Tweety, I do not deal with moderated boards.
 
She is welcome here, but no 'jesus-only' person is going to deal with truth,  KJV style.
 
Others can let man's word be their stand, and learning grounds, and teaching grounds, but I will not.
 
any man who studied as much of man's words, as Dake and Scofield and many others did, could not have learned much from Scripture.
 
No wonder they were so mixed up.  It will happen to everyone who let's their words by their learning experience.
 
To learn truth, one has to block out all of men's words, and let just Scripture teach them.
 
So long as people study other men's words and mix up thousands of different views and referrences, they will have nothing BUT A BIG MESS.......MIXED UP JUNK,...THAT WILL DAMN THE SOUL.
 
God told me to put everything out of my house EXCEPT the KJV and study only His Word.  that is the only way I found truth.
 
It is the only way you will find it.  I know you reject this, but it will meet you at the corner, someday.
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 4/16/2008 2:32 AM
I want every member of this site to go read Chrissnell's post, #53, on the thread,  Who is Babylon.
 
I want every person in here, who claims to know one thing about the true God, his true Word, and have even one tiny hope for salvation,
 
to take a stand.....either agree with this hideous, filthy LIE, or take up rebukes against it.
 
There comes a time when  God will require everyone of you to take a stand, either for or against HIM.
 
if you cannot rebuke this kind of filthy, ungodly lies, against God's word, then you are not worthy to call yourself a Christian.
 
Go tell the world you hate truth, and are to cowardly to speak, if you cannot let your little name come forth against this kind of filthy lies.
 
I want to see if one of you has the guts to rebuke this evil man with me!
 
How many, is there one of you, who dare to let God know you will bear one tiny bit of reproach for truth and rebuke this lie.....if not. do not tell anyone ever again that you are of God.
 
People in past ages took unbearable torture to stand for God......can you softies not rebuke one horrible lie and worker of Satan, for coming in here , again,  fighting God,  Jesus Christ, the KJV,  and those of us who teach truth?
 
Where is anyone with one tiny bit of  backbone?  I have had many members turn against me and leave this site because of these kinds of EVIL WORKERS OF SATAN.
 
wELL ALL I can say is,  they are not Christians.  They know nothing about taking up a cross and following the Lord Jesus.
 
Well, I am not a coward.  I REBUKE CHIRS FOR HIS EVIL LIE IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.  HE IS EVIL AND I HAVE DRIVEN HIM OUT OF HERE BEFORE BECAUSE OF HIS EVIL LIES.
 
SOME OF OUR MEMBERS LEFT THEN OVER THIS VERY WICKED MAN.  AND SOME OTHERS LIKE HIM.
 
Satan never stops sending them here to try to overthrow the truth Larry and I teach here.

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