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Law & Sabbath : Moses, the Servant
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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22  (Original Message)Sent: 8/12/2006 3:28 AM
From: Isaiah  (Original Message) Sent: 8/17/2005 1:20 PM

 

I know this is going to be very hard for some of you to see, but you have to open your spiritual eyes to see this. That is the only way, that you will ever see this. You will never see this with your natural eyes (understanding) but this can only be seen spiritually, that is the only way to see anything in the word of God. You have to open your spiritual eyes ( understanding). You will never see anything in the natural. The bible says that God is a spirit, so to see these things we must see this spiritually.

The promised land that the children of Israel crossed over into was not the promised land that God had given to Abraham and his seed . The promised land that the children of Israel crossed over into was the one we see in Galatians 4: 22-25, where it is referring to Abraham and his two sons, the one by a bondsmaid, the other by a free woman.

Ga 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Ga 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Ga 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Ga 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.( Can you not see that this old Jerusalem (law) which is now the land that was promised to those under law. These are the ones from Mount Sinai which are under bondage, which is Agar. This is not the promised land.

The promised land is the one by a freewoman ( Grace, the new testament.) Read the scriptures for yourself and let God open your understanding to what is been said.

Now let’s go to Deut. 34:4-5

De 34:4 And the LORD said unto him, This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying, I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.

De 34:5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.( We see here that the LORD spoke to Moses the servant and said you cannot go into the promised land. The servant was the law. The promised land that he cannot go into is Grace ( New Testament) We are no longer under the law but we are in Grace. Praise the Lord. If you are under the law you are in bondage and you are a servant of Moses ( the law) which is of God, but of Agar which now is, and is in bondage with her children)

So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.( Okay, let me try to show you something here. The word servant here means bondage or bondman. See that takes us back to Galations 4: 22-23.)

The word Moses was not talking about a body like we see with our natural eyes, but this is spiritual as I have said before.

When he was speaking of Moses here, he was speaking about Moses the servant, which is the law. That is why he said you can not go over into this promised land. Because you cannot have grace under the law.

Let me try to explain and show you what I’m saying.

We know the bible says in Exodus 33: 17�?

Ex 33:17 And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.

Okay, if Moses had found Grace in the site of the Lord, he can no longer be called a servant but shall be called a Son.

Ga 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.( I hope you can see that the servant which died was the law. You see that that old law had to die out because a new move of God was to be ushered in. Praise God, we are no more a servant ( under law) but now we are a Son (New Testament) We had a new birth. We are no longer that old man (law) but we are a new man (New Testament)

Just like John�? He said I must decrease while he increases. That Moses (law) had to decrease while Joshua a shadow and type of Jesus Christ and the New Testament increased. Law and grace cannot coexist. Just like iron and clay cannot mix. So that is why that Moses (law) could not enter into the promised land (New Testament).

Here that Moses which was of the law had his head cut off because the law came through Moses the law giver.

OK, lets go into Luke chapter 16: 16 and see also where John was the end of the Old Testament prophets and the law.

Lu 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Here we see in the Scripture that John was the end of the Old Testament law and the prophets.

John also had his head cut off which was Moses the law. Again you have to look at this spiritually, you cannot see it naturally. In other words, the head (Moses) and the tail (John) of the Old Testament was cut off.) Read 2 Corinthian and you can see where the law was cut off. Study this out.

Zec 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.( This shows the two parts that was cut all. The law and the prophets. The third shall be left therein is Grace.

Now let’s go back to Exodus 33: 20

Ex 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

Face here means the beginning, so he is talking about the Old Testament law. He told Moses you cannot go back over there and live, there is no life of the Old Testament law. The true Moses has found Grace, which is the backside of God (New Testament Grace)

Now we look and see where God told Moses I’m going to show you my back part where my glory is the New Testament.

Ex 33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

Ex 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

Ex 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

God said that he was going to show Moses his back parts. OK, back here means a time to come which means the New Testament the people under grace. Praise the Lord.

Okay, back to Deu. 34: 6...

De 34:6 And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day. ( What I see here is that the law was the body that was buried. Not the true Moses which was of God and under New Testament grace.

The reason no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day. The reason there was not a body, because this is not a body like you and I think it was. But the body that is being referred to hear is the law.

If you would like for me to show you were the true body of Moses is go with me back to Exodus the 33rd chapter vs. 21 and 22.

Ex 33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

Now to see what that rock was let us go to 1st Cor. chapter 10:4.�?/FONT>

1 Cor.10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. New Testament. Those under Grace

Ex 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: ( Clift here means an opening, so he could have access to the New Testament way of serving God. Not by law, but by Grace. Clift here also means to splint- divided. So we see here that the true Moses was divided from the servant which was the law and he became a son which is of the New Testament. Moses was divided from the Old Jerusalem the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. The true Moses can be found in the new Jerusalem which is the New testament. The people of Israel went into the earthly promised land and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Okay, one more place where the true body of Moses is found let’s look at Matthew 17:3 over here in the New Testament, the promised land that was promised to the seed of Abraham, spiritual seed, no more a servant of the bondwoman, ( law) but of the free. (New Testament)

We also see Moses in Matthew 17: 3..

Mt 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

Here we see Moses and Elias talking to Jesus. I have never seen a dead man talk, have you? Over here in the New Testament there is life. Praise the Lord.




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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 8/12/2006 3:29 AM
From: Isaiah Sent: 8/17/2005 7:09 PM

 

You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.'

Look up the word face as I suggested. He was telling Moses you can not live under the OT law. There was nothing but condemnation and death under that law. There is life and it more abundant on the back side which is the NT way . You can not go back to the OT laws and those 10 commandments and try to live. We are in Grace and so was Moses.

Study this out and see if not what I am saying is truth.

Face meaning before and behind, toward, in front of, forward, formerly, from beforetime, before

Exodus 33:   19And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

The NT was the goodness that the LORD showed Moses, that was what passed before him. There was no mercy under the OT covenant. You can only find goodness and mercy under the NT covenant. There was no mercy or compassion under the OT. You can only find these under the NT way of serving God.

But we are teaching a 'spiritual' side of the things of God. You are speaking of seeing God in human flesh; natural.

We are not meaning that. When is said that Moses was shown the 'back' side of God, it is not speaking of any BODY, as a human body.

God is not that. God is Spirit.

So it was speaking of the latter move of God = GRACE, or the New Testament.

The Israelites only saw the face, or front side, or the first moving of God = the OT.

there is only death in this covenant. Law was never of God. God never chose for anyone to be under law. The people chose their own way, which leads to death or darkness.

We now see God in glory, for we are given the revelation of the New Covenant = Grace.

Very few, [regardless of what all think] ever saw or understood Grace. They think because the live in this NT age, that they are automatically in grace. But this is just not true.

Now we are speaking of seeing with the eyes of the understanding being enlightened. What you are speaking of will only come to those who 'see' [understand] and accept and live by the Grace Covenant accepting the truth of the word.

No one will experience this glory you speak of, believing the lies of the church of today.

Now God knows those that are His. Many times He does show them much of His glory even while they are still in the darkness and blindness of false teachings; for He knows that they will eventually 'see' and accept His truth.

If they do not ever accept truth, they will be cast into outer darkness. Our seeing God is Spiritual. It is the truth of the Word. By Faith, we now see clearly. Those under law and error are the ones seeing through a glass darkly. We are not of the darkness. We are of the day, or LIGHT, OR TRUTH.

Study this message out and see if it is not the truth. 

 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 12/4/2006 2:55 PM
Thanks for the link to this, Isaiah.  I have sat here and read all of this again.  I wanted to refresh my mind to this message.  It is so good.  Hope others will get into this great revelation and get out of that darkness of LAW.  OR THE CARNAL MIND.  LAW IS CARNALITY.
 
See. even the Scripture itself tells us that.  Didn't Paul tell it was laws of CARNAL COMMANDMENTS?
<NOBR>Heb 9:8</NOBR> The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
<NOBR>Heb 9:9</NOBR> Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
<NOBR>Heb 9:10</NOBR> Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

See that refers to all those sacrifices made under the LAW.  It was called CARNAL ORDINANCES.  So it is the CARNAL MIND.  So all those things the priests did was CARNAL.  It was not spiritual.
 
This is the MIND which took Adam into his rebellions and darkness.

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From: IsaiahSent: 12/4/2006 4:22 PM
<NOBR>Eph 2:15</NOBR> Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

 

Can you not see that the law along with the law of commandemnts (10) were abolished.


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