MSN Home  |  My MSN  |  Hotmail
Sign in to Windows Live ID Web Search:   
go to MSNGroups 
Free Forum Hosting
 
Important Announcement Important Announcement
The MSN Groups service will close in February 2009. You can move your group to Multiply, MSN’s partner for online groups. Learn More
Build on the True Foundation[email protected] 
  
What's New
  
  Welcome  
  Welcome, by Isaiah  
  All topics  
  Pictures  
  Holy KJV Bible  
  Links  
  Posting guide  
  EMMANUEL  
  Emmanuel--Part two  
  Proof of Emmanuel  
  In The Beginnig  
  Question&Answer  
  Wel./new members  
  Testimonies  
  on trinity  
  On Jesus only  
  Jesus  
  Baptism  
  Gifts of Spirit  
  Law & Sabbath  
  Grace  
  Peace  
  Salvation  
  Eve  
  Adam; Satan  
  The Beginning  
  God and Jesus  
  Day of Lord  
  Church: Israel  
  Genesis  
  The WORD  
  Women  
  Rapture?  
  Revelation  
  Beast Heads  
  Fall of OT  
  Psalm  
  Special Verses  
  Prayer Request  
  Dake's Studies  
  Let's Praise Him  
  Dreams /Visions  
  Family  
  SACRED NAME  
  gift messages  
  Ellen White  
  Holidays  
  Heresy  
  Triva Board  
  Health Tips  
  For Unbelievers  
  Birthdays  
    
  
  
  Tools  
 
Law & Sabbath : Choose, Blessings or Cursings
Choose another message board
 
     
Reply
 Message 1 of 7 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 7/10/2007 4:43 PM
From: joie  (Original Message) Sent: 2/14/2004 7:16 PM

~~ Choose, Blessings or Cursing ~~

Today is Friday, Feb. 13, 2004. It is now 5:13AM. May God place His divine presence and power upon this message.

I will start this message in Deuteronomy 28. God is speaking here of the two covenants, law and grace. The more I learn the Word of God the more I see everything in the Book is about these two covenants. They are opposites. One is light, life and power. The other (law) is darkness, death and weak. God set these two covenants before Adam and commanded him not to partake or eat of the law ‘tree�? He said the day you eat of law, that day you will die. Now I know He said the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. But Scripture has to interpret Scripture. Paul said by the law is the KNOWLEDGE of Sin.

So don’t you see by this that he identified that tree as the law?

There are people who teach that sex was this tree; that Eve committed adultery with an animal called the serpent. No Scripture in the entire Book says this. So that is a lie. Nowhere does the Word say by sex or adultery is the knowledge of sin, or good and evil. The entire Scripture teaches that the law is death. We know that the law teaches what is good and evil. The Word said by the law shall no flesh be justified. If you go back to law, you fall from Grace. For by Grace are you saved. No one will ever be saved apart from the Grace of God. Grace is not in that law. The law demands that every disobedience be punished. No forgiveness. No Love, no mercy. No life. Choose this day life or death. Choose whether you will try to serve God by law or will you accept Grace?

Adam had a choice to either stay in Grace where God had placed him, or to go under the law. I will show you here in Isa. 66 what Adam’s sin was:

Isa 66:3 -He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations. :4 -I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them;

This verse shows that because of this sacrificing of animals, God will choose delusions for them and bring their fears upon them. They feared death. It also shows that offering the blood of an ox or lamb, the OT sacrifices, is BLESSING AN IDOL. It was never of God! See that God said men chose this as their own way. Their soul delighted in these abominations of killing, eating, and offering the blood of lambs to God! Shocking, isn’t it? Men chose this killing of animals (Adam) - not God!

Isa 66:17 -They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

Now don’t you see that this is speaking of that tree in the midst of the garden? And that they were trying to sanctify themselves? This was trying to serve God by law. See they killed a pig and ate it; thus starting the animal sacrifices which God never had any pleasure in. This brought death. As they killed this animal and ate its flesh, they also brought death into themselves. They were eating swine’s flesh and the abomination, which was the law. So He said they shall be consumed together, all who do this.

I had not intended to write any of that in this message, but it was placed on my heart, so I do what God tells me to do. I prayed for his leadership and anointing before starting this message. So I know he placed that here. You need to fully understand what law is and how it came into being among men, for that is what this message is about. I know this will be long, but I have learned that is how I like them.

God’s way has never been law. He said they chose their own way and this way leads to death. No one has ever been placed under the law by God. They chose this way for themselves. The Israelites always had a choice of either Grace or law. They were not forced to be under the law. Read my message on the two edged sword. This proves it. The stones Moses had had both the law and grace written upon it. One was on the front side and the other on the backside. The Word of God has both law and grace in it. You may choose either one. But if you choose law, you are choosing death.

If you think you HAVE to tithe, go to church, keep a weekly Sabbath or any of these other things, you have gone to law and there is no life there.

We live a Holy Life by His Spirit, which He has placed in us at the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. We do not become holy by doing things of the law. It becomes our nature of loving righteousness and hating iniquity by His Spirit within us. This is the only way of life.

God made a covenant with Noah to never destroy all flesh with a flood again. Noah had found grace in the eyes of the Lord and was spared this destruction. His family was the only ones saved. This is the grace covenant. Later God gave this grace covenant to Abraham. This was 400 years before He gave the law covenant to Moses. But what I have never heard anyone else teach is that at the same time God also wrote the Grace covenant on the backside of those stones. So they could choose either Grace or Law. Moses chose Grace. He had also found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

The fact that Moses was under grace while administering law to the nation proves that they also could have had grace. But what caused them to be under the law? Worshipping idols. The worship of idols is the separating place between the ones who are saved or under grace and the ones who are under law and lost.

If you worship or honour even one idol this takes you away from the one and only true God. He said you should worship him and him only. Else you are lost, worshipping idols. If you observe x-mas, Easter, Santa Clause, or any other such thing, this is the worship of idols and places you under the law covenant. You must be under either law or grace. There are no in-between grounds. You either worship idols or worship God and Him only.

All of the curses in the Book are under the law. All of the blessings are under the Grace Covenant. So if you go by law and worship an idol you chose the curses. If you reject all idols, such as the holidays, and live by Grace, then you chose the blessings and eternal life.

Now what is hard to see is that both covenants are being spoken of all through the entire Scriptures, from Genesis through Revelation. I will show you how to separate this in this message.

If you will read Deut. 27 and 28 you will see all the curses and the blessings pronounced by God. I have too much else to go into this message to type that here. But you really need to read this to fully understand this message. If you go under the law you absolutely must obey it every bit. No one has ever been able to do that except Jesus. So do not make the mistake of thinking you can. It will only bring the curses and death.

ONLY the blood of Jesus Christ and receiving His Spirit sanctifies us. If you go by law you place yourself under the blood of animals by which can never be forgiveness of sins. This gives you eternal death. If you worship even one idol you will be lost.

De 28:14 -And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them. :15- But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

So see from this Scripture that if you go aside to even one idol all the curses will overtake you. So why will you die? Choose life, choose Grace.

De 28:25 -The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.

This verse shows that at the close of the OT, after Jesus had pronounced them desolate, they were removed into all the ‘kingdoms�?of the earth via the seven churches. That is the kingdoms they were removed into. The seven churches are old Jerusalem in disguise. Among them is some wheat growing until the end of the world.

Verse 26: Their Carcasses (the law) shall be meat or eaten by the fowls of the air (Satan’s kingdom, and the beasts of the earth, Satan’s people.)

De 28:29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.

This verse shows that those who cling to law after Jesus will be blind at noonday or in grace. They cannot see the good of Grace so they will never be saved.

De 28:30- Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.

This is speaking of the law betrothing a wife (the Bride) yet Jesus, Grace, is the one who actually did take her and bring forth children together. The law or house of Moses was not dwelt in, for it perished. They planted a vineyard or nation for God yet it never did produce the harvest. It perished.

Ro 7:4 -Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

:5 -For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

:6 -But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

:7- What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

:8 -But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. :9 -For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Now this shows that we must be dead to the law by the body of Christ in order to be married to him.

Notice that verse 5 says that the motions of sins were by the law. This proves that the law was that tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Verse 6 proves that the law is now dead and we should serve in the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter which is that dead law.

Verse 7 proves that without law we will not know sin, proving the law gives us the knowledge of sin or evil.

Verse 8 proves that sin was dead without the law. So law is what brought them into sin.

Verse 9 proves that without the law we were alive or had life. But the commandment brought sin and we died.

So see then how important it is to see and understand the difference in law and grace and to choose grace. If you choose law, you are in sin and dead. You can never be married to Christ so long as you partake of or eat of the law tree.

De 28:31- Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.

This verse is marvelous in the revelation of it. Thine ‘OX�?shall be slain before thine eyes? What was their ‘OX�? The slain Lamb of God, Jesus Christ. Yes this shows that Jesus was slain right before their eyes and they could not eat of it or receive the benefits. They clung to law and could not eat of that tree of life. Their ass and sheep (the daily sacrifice of their animal sacrifices) was taken away (by the crucifixion of Jesus) before their face and the daily sacrifice was never restored to them to bring them before God.

Their ‘sheep�?(Jesus) was given to their enemies, the Grace People.

De 28:32 -Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the daylong: and there shall be no might in thine hand.

This says that their sons and daughters, those prophesied of in Joel 2, the Pentecostal fathers, were given unto another people, the Gentiles or the ones who came into Grace or the true Church. There was no might or power in the hand of those who clung to law to get their children back.

De 28:33- The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:

Their fruit was bringing forth Jesus and his disciples. This went to the nation of Grace or the true Church and they were oppressed and crushed always.

De 28:34 -So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

This shows how they were incensed against the Christians and went to persecute them and destroy them.

De 28:35 -The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.

Read Isa. One in connection with this verse. Isa 1:4 -Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, and they are gone away backward. :5- Why should ye be stricken any more? Ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. :6- From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment :7- Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.

Verse 4 speaks of the condition of old Israel and of the church turned ‘backwards�?to law. It is both history and prophecy. Verses 5 and 6 show that they were the ones spoken of in Deut. that they were smitten from the head to the foot with wounds and sores.

Verse 7 shows their country (law) is desolate. This is spoken of as Jesus said to Jerusalem, behold your country is left unto you DESOLATE. It is both history and prophecy of the final state of the apostate church.

De 28:36- The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.

This verse proves that the entire nation of old Israel, along with this prophecy here of their setting up a king to rule over them, shall be brought unto another nation, that of the NT Church. There they began again their idol worship of other gods, of wood and stone, their church buildings. They always gloried in their big, fancy buildings. See Matt. 24. Even the disciples at that time were still glorying in their fancy buildings. But Jesus showed what he thought of them by saying not one ‘stone�?will be left upon another which shall not be thrown down. This speaks of that law and also every other stronghold of that OT.

De 28:38 -Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.

This speaks of their much preaching in the nations into which they have been carried = the many different churches. They sowed much seed but gathered in little. They produced only a few who found the way to eternal life. The locust, the witnesses of Revelation, consumed the most of their seed.

De 28:39 -Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.

These ‘churches�?of law planted vineyards and took care of them (their church members) but did not produce any real wine (Holy Ghost) nor gather the grapes for the ‘worms�?ate them. These worms are described in Joel one. This was the ministers of the Babylon Church, the whore. These ministers, with their lies, prevented this church from producing a true manchild.

De 28:40 -Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.

They had many churches (olive trees) but could not receive the oil or Holy Ghost, for their olive, the whore church cast his fruit. They deceived the people and therefore could never receive the real anointing.

De 28:41- Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.

Both that law and the whore church (same thing) beget sons and daughters, but each time a true child of God was born there, they could not enjoy them, for they went into captivity to the true Church, the Spirit of God. This also speaks of those early Apostolic Fathers, who were the ‘children�?of that law nation.

De 28:42 -All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.

This is speaking of the locust of Rev. 9, the judgment ministers of God, who consumed the fruit and trees of the land of law.

De 28:43- The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low. :44- He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

The ‘stranger�?means the Christians. They were the stranger and pilgrims in this earth. They were strangers to that law nation. They were lifted up very high above that law group. We were made the head and them the tail.

This was part of the curse pronounced by God to those who rejected his true covenant, Grace.

De 28:45- Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:

46 -And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.

47 -Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;

48- Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.

This shows that because they clung to law all the curses came upon them for a sign and wonder to their children (law folks) forever. Because they did not serve the Lord with joyfulness, but went aside to idols, they now have to serve the enemies, the Christians, but they are in hunger and thirst and in nakedness and in need of all things because no life was in that law covenant. This stranger, their enemies, the Christians, put a yoke of iron (that iron rule in Rev.) on them and destroyed them. This was done by Jesus and then followed by the Apostles and Christians.

Compare this with the description of the last church -- naked, blind and in need of all things, thinking they have need of nothing.


[Cont.]


First  Previous  2-7 of 7  Next  Last 
Reply
 Message 2 of 7 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/10/2007 4:44 PM
Part 2:
 
From: joie Sent: 2/14/2004 7:18 PM
 

De 28:49- The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;

A nation from far is the NT Church. They were the ones far off from law. They are shown to have the eagle wings. This tongue they could not understand is the utterance the Holy Ghost does through one when He fills them with the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. Let those of you who claim that it is not the evidence of receiving the Holy Ghost see that it is very prominent throughout the entire Word of God. Now I know that people can ‘speak�?in some kind of stuff and it NOT be the true tongues of the Holy Ghost; but this does not do away with the fact that the Holy Ghost absolutely WILL speak or utter himself, in the unknown tongue of God, when he takes up his abode inside someone.

De 28:50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor show favour to the young:

Now I know it seems contrary to what everyone believes, but this nation of fierce countenance is the Christians. Yes. They do not regard the person of the old, (that old covenant; or show favour to the young (the seven mixed churches of Babylon.) We do not show partiality either, for that is sin. Equality is the heart of true Christianity.

I will show in another message, hopefully following this one, in Daniel that the king of ‘fierce countenance�?was Jesus and his Apostles. Mainly it was Jesus. He was the one with the ‘dark sayings of old�? This was in his parables. But this will be too much for one message, but for now study this with the idea that this fierce nation is the Christians. I will prove it in the next message.

This message should also be studied in connection with my message on the Two Nations in One and the Two edged Sword. They all go together and explain each other. Also it will need the next one on Daniel 11.

De 28:51 -And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.

:52 -And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

This shows Jesus taking of their fruit and bringing them into Grace. He left them neither Holy Ghost life nor the ability to increase through their animal sacrifices and thus he destroyed them.

Now I will list from the Book of Lamentations, all these ‘gates�?and high and fenced walls they trusted in. Jesus besieged them until they were all destroyed.

La 2:1-How hath the Lord covered the daughter of Zion with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger!

‘Heaven�?means the ones God is dealing with, his anointed ones. So here we see that God was angry with old Israel and cast them down to ‘earth�? In other words, he cast them away from him and divorced them. Now they are the ‘earth�?group. He is no longer dealing with the law people.

La 2:2-The Lord hath swallowed up all the habitations of Jacob, and hath not pitied: he hath thrown down in his wrath the strong holds of the daughter of Judah; he hath brought them down to the ground: he hath polluted the kingdom and the princes thereof.

The Lord destroyed the place of Jacob with no pity. He is now set to do this same thing to them again, as mystery Babylon, the false church. See here that it bears out what was just said in Deut, that he destroyed her strong holds. When He brings one down to the ground, means he no longer deals with them. They are cast away from him. He polluted that whole kingdom of Satan, or the law. Now watch the list of her gates and high walls, her strong holds:

1. The princes.

:3-He hath cut off in his fierce anger all the horn of Israel: he hath drawn back his right hand from before the enemy, and he burned against Jacob like a flaming fire, which devoureth round about. :4-He hath bent his bow like an enemy: he stood with his right hand as an adversary, and slew all that were pleasant to the eye in the tabernacle of the daughter of Zion: he poured out his fury like fire.

He cut off in his anger everything of the power of Israel. His right hand is Jesus. Jesus destroyed that law nation. He became their enemy. He was their adversary.

Now, I want you to know that everything he did to them he also is going to do to the false church, for they are the same. That is why it is said they will be destroyed both root and branch; twice dead; plucked up by their roots, that law.

La 2:5-The Lord was as an enemy: he hath swallowed up Israel, he hath swallowed up all her palaces: he hath destroyed his strong holds, and hath increased in the daughter of Judah mourning and lamentation.

The Lord was their enemy. In this verse we have the second stronghold he destroyed = their ‘PALACES�? This is their fancy temples they doted so much on. Take warning, churches. It also applies to you and your fancy buildings. He will bring this about the second time and destroy you and your big church buildings you set above God. They are an ‘idol�?to you.

:6 And he hath violently taken away his tabernacle, as if it were of a garden: he hath destroyed his places of the assembly: the LORD hath caused the solemn feasts and sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion, and hath despised in the indignation of his anger the king and the priest.

Here we have # 3. His tabernacle. He took this away. He destroyed these places of ‘assembly�? So this shows what he thinks of you saying we must ‘assembly�?into a certain building, when Jesus said we shall not worship that way, but in Spirit and in Truth.

Next--#4. The solemn feasts and #5. Their old Sabbaths. Go back to Isa. One, you will see that he had come to despise these things. It is the same in the ‘church�?today. He despises your solemn get-togethers. No Spirit, no life. There is no power in your churches today to be a ‘WITNESS�?of God. How are you manifesting God to this world?

Next is # 6--their king

#7--their priests.

:7-The Lord hath cast off his altar, he hath abhorred his sanctuary, he hath given up into the hand of the enemy the walls of her palaces; they have made a noise in the house of the LORD, as in the day of a solemn feast. :8-The LORD hath purposed to destroy the wall of the daughter of Zion: he hath stretched out a line, he hath not withdrawn his hand from destroying: therefore he made the rampart and the wall to lament; they languished together.

#8--He cast off his altar and hated his #9--sanctuary He destroyed her entire wall which means everything she was made up of.

:9-Her gates are sunk into the ground; he hath destroyed and broken her bars: her king and her princes are among the Gentiles: the law is no more; her prophets also find no vision from the LORD.

Her ‘gates�?means all of these means of the OT being a way to God, her ‘everything�? These all sunk into the ground. Read Isa. 47 where he tells ‘Babylon�?to come down and sit in the dust. That is what this is speaking of, proving that the whore church is the same as old law nation. He destroyed all her gates and her bars.

#9-- He brought down her king.

#10--He did away with her LAW. It is no more.

#11-- Her (OT) prophets are also cut off from the Lord. -- People today have tried to do away with this decree of God to destroy the OT Prophets and claim that we had an OT Prophet in our day. It is impossible. The last of these was John the Baptist. The Law and the Prophets were UNTIL John. This means that after John there will NEVER be another one. God cut them off and put them into darkness forever.

:10-The elders of the daughter of Zion sit upon the ground, and keep silence: they have cast up dust upon their heads; they have girded themselves with sackcloth: the virgins of Jerusalem hang down their heads to the ground.

Now I must bring in this one for it shows what God showed me, that it was only the daughters of law who had to keep SILENCE. This proves it right here. It truly means that no one of the law covenant (men or women; for they are one) can speak now. It is only those of us in true Grace (men or women; for we are one) have permission from God to preach and teach His Word. We are the only ones who know the truth. The law blinds one.

De 28:53-And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:

This shows that the ones from the OT who now come to God must ‘eat�?the ‘flesh�?or word of their sons and daughters. This also proves that the daughters of the NT were giving out this heavenly bread, their flesh. It is not speaking of the human bodies. It means the word they taught, the grace message. These are the people who laid siege on that old covenant and distressed them. They put away the OT teachings of law.

:54-So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave. :55-So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.

:56-The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,

:57-And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.

Strange as it seems, these verses, 54-57, are speaking of those from the OT who had a ‘tender�?heart and not a hard heart of stone, in other words, the law. That law gave people a stony heart. It hardened them. It still does. So they ‘ate�?the ‘flesh�?[spiritual food] of their Pentecostal children which they ‘birthed�? These NT converts came out of that old nation of Israel. So they were their children. In the spiritual straitness or starvation left in the OT, they ate the food of the NT ministers and could not give it to those whom they ‘left�? or the ones who clung to that law.

:58- If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD; :59- Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance. :60- Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.

:61- Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed. :62- And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God. :63- And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.

I know it at first appears that God is speaking of the Law of Moses here. But it is not. It is speaking of the law of Grace. There are two laws in the Word. One is the law of sin and death, which was the law Moses, gave them.

The other one is the Law of life in Christ Jesus, which makes us free for the law of sin and death. Now this is the covenant given to Abraham, that of Grace. This was written first. The tree of life was first. It is the everlasting Covenant. Now this is the law God is telling that he will destroy them if they do not keep it and fear His Wonderful Name. This is referring to Jesus. The next section will prove this.

God brings the plagues on them because they chose the law instead of Grace. That is always His judgment. He has never at any time given them any means of life except His Grace. Life has never come by law. They chose law and then did not keep it, so God destroyed them. Whereas He had multiplied them to a great number under that old nation, He brought them to nought and left them the ‘FEW�?whom Jesus said would be the only ones who would find the way to eternal life. These FEW are the only ones who are the True Israel.

 
 

Reply
 Message 3 of 7 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/10/2007 4:45 PM
Part 3:
 
From: joie Sent: 2/14/2004 7:20 PM

:64- And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

Here God tells them that he will scatter them among all people. This was during the church age. They fell among all the churches. Here they again worshipped the wood and stone gods of man-made temples. Their fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did not ‘know�?these gods.

:65- And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:

He is calling these seven churches the nations now. Here they do not find rest just as their fathers in the OT law did not find rest. Heb. 4 declares that Jesus never gave them rest. So as the church rejected the true Rest of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost and refused the speaking in tongues which Isaiah 28 declares is the refreshing and the rest to the soul, they again do not find rest. Jesus said come unto me and I will give you rest to your soul. They refused to come to Jesus. So they never had anything except trembling heart and sorrow.

:66- And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:

Here it tells the condition of the church ‘Israelites�?that they doubt for their eternal life. They never have any true assurance that they have life, so the fear day and night.

:67- In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! And at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! For the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

In the ‘morning�? the time of the birth of the Church at Pentecost, (this is the dawning of the New Day of Grace) they wish it were even, or at the latter part of the OT. But at the even of the Church, the time of the last true Church, the second anointed witness of God; they receive their second judgment and pouring out of the wrath of the Lamb. So they wish now that it was morning and they could start over and find true rest.

:68- And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

This is their final destruction as they have let the ‘ships�?of the ‘church�?take them back into Egypt, or bondage = the law.

Now I will show you the two different covenants in these same Scriptures.

De 5:1- And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them. 5:2- The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.5: 3- The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

Here we find that God said this covenant was made with not with their fathers, = Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. It was made with those of them alive that day as Moses spoke to them. This is that covenant given to them in Horeb.

Ge 9:8- And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying,

: 9- And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;

: 10- And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth.11- And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

: 12- And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:

: 13- I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. 14- And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: 15- And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. 16- And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

Now this shows that God had established the everlasting Covenant with Noah and every living creature. So what is this everlasting Covenant? It is Grace.

Ge 6:8- But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

So see by grace Noah escaped the judgment of his day. By grace, when Jesus died on the cross he cleansed the whole world; every living creature was now clean.

In Genesis 17 we find that God established the everlasting Covenant with Abraham. But it is not to all the natural seeds of Abraham. Paul bore out that is comes through Isaac into Jesus and then into the true Christians. They are the spiritual seed of Abraham. Paul said if ye be Christ�?then are you Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.

Ge 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

This covenant is grace, not the Law of Moses.

In this chapter we find that God gave them a land for an everlasting possession. So this could not be the natural Canaan. They were driven out of that land and scattered. Paul told us that Abraham counted himself a stranger there and looked for a city with foundations [the apostles] whose builder and maker is God. He looked for a Heavenly City, the New Jerusalem. This is the land he gave the true seed of Abraham, the children of faith, those in grace.

Ex 6:2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD: 3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. -: 4 And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their pilgrimage, wherein they were strangers. : 5 And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant.

Here God told Moses that he had established his covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. So this has to be speaking of the everlasting covenant, Grace. These are the children of Israel with whom God established his promises. This is the true Christians, the seed of Christ. God remembered this Grace covenant and saved this nation because the true seed of Christ was inside this law nation. The Egyptians keeping them in bondage speaks of the law children.

Ex 6:6 Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments: 7 And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians. : 8 And I will bring you in unto the land, concerning the which I did swear to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for an heritage: I am the LORD. : 9 And Moses spake so unto the children of Israel: but they hearkened not unto Moses for anguish of spirit, and for cruel bondage.

Here Moses told them God would deliver them from the ‘bondage�?= law. But He was speaking to the spiritual seed within that nation (see my message Two nations in one). See then that the bondage or law children did not hear for anguish of spirit and cruel bondage. The true seed hears this deliverance message. He promised to bring them [the promised seed, the Christians] into the land he swore to give to Abraham, which is the New Jerusalem. They entered this promised ‘land�?on the Day of Pentecost, when God’s own Holy Spirit took up residence inside them. Glory! But there is more to come to those who overcome the mixed spirit within the seven churches. This is the final and true heritage of the true Children of Christ = the glorified body at our resurrection. This is to be our true inherited LAND.

I know this is a very long message, and I had thought to place this next part into a separate message because of the length. But I think it best to just go ahead with this. It is just too important to teaching this message of the two covenants. I wish I had the means to put this message into booklet form. It will be long enough for this and should be distributed to many people. But I do not have the means to do such a thing. May God provide for this if it is His Will.

Le 26:1 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

This is a positive statement saying that the true children of faith will not set up and serve any idols. The main identification of those under law is that they serve idols. All of your holidays are idols. Your manmade buildings, which you dote so much on, are idols. There are many in most people’s lives. But the true children of God will worship Him and Him only. No idols.

:2 Ye shall keep my Sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD. :3 If ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them; :4 Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. :5 And your threshing shall reach unto the vintage, and the vintage shall reach unto the sowing time: and ye shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely.

The above speaks of both the New Covenant and the Reign of peace of earth.

:6 And I will give peace in the land, and ye shall lie down, and none shall make you afraid: and I will rid evil beasts out of the land, neither shall the sword go through your land. : 7 And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword. : 8 And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword. : 9 For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you.

This speaks of the true ministers chasing their enemies, those of law and causing them to fall by the sword of the Word and thus bringing them into Grace and life. These are the ones he establishes his everlasting covenant with.

:11 And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you. : 12 And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people. : 13 I am the LORD your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright.

Here he speaks of Jesus, his tabernacle. Those who follow him, He will not hate. This is the people of Grace. He walks among us and is our God and we are his true people. He brought us out of bondage = the law. He broke every yoke off his true people. He set both the sons and the daughters free. The above is to the obedient people of grace. The next verses speak to the disobedient ones who cling to law and break his everlasting covenant of grace.

:14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; 15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: 16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. : 17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.

Here God speaks to those who did not hear his true judgments and obey his grace covenant but went back to law. They will be slain before the NT Ministers and be ruled over by them.

:18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven (seals) times more for your sins. : 19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron and your earth as brass: 20 And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits. : 21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues (trumpets) upon you according to your sins.22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.

In the above verses God starts the judgments against the OT people who clung to law and refused Pentecost. These are the seven seals in Revelation. These foolish virgins, the false church, clinging to law will yield no fruit for all their labour. They do the works of men, not of God. They build programs and buildings instead of teaching the Word and converting souls to righteousness. So the plagues of Rev. comes upon them. This happens first at the close of the OT. It will repeat at the close of the church.

:23 And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me; 24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.

Yet repented they not of their sins, so God Brings the seven vials upon them.

:25 And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.

This is where God avenges those who reject the grace covenant or the blood of Jesus and his mercy. He sends the Sword of the Word upon them and they are delivered into the hand of their enemy, the NT.

:26 And when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver you your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied.

This is wonderful. The first time I read this and saw what it was saying, I laughed so much I almost fell off my bed.

This is saying that after God has broken the staff of the OT or law bread, that now the ten virgins, the five wise and the five foolish, which is the NT Church, shall now prepare their food for them. Now they cannot eat of the Law of Moses; they must eat of the words of the Apostles.

But since part of the church departs from the truth and walks again after the law, then they became the foolish churches. Thus they are never truly satisfied with this NT Bread. The one oven is the NT. They must feed from the NT teachings. Funny how they thought women could not teach and God makes them eat from these ten women!

:27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; 28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.

Here God becomes furious at those who refuse to walk according to the NT teachings. He again chastises them seven times.

:29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat. : 30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you. 31 And I will make your

 
 
   

Reply
 Message 4 of 7 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/10/2007 4:46 PM
Part 4:
 
From: joie Sent: 2/14/2004 7:25 PM

. 31 And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours. : 32 And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies, which dwell therein, shall be astonished at it. : 33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.

Those who refuse to eat the flesh or words of their sons and daughters he will destroy them and scatter them among the heathen (those who worship idols.) The desolation pronounced by Jesus comes upon them, both the OT and the disobedient church.

:34 Then shall the land enjoy her Sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her Sabbaths. : 35 As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your Sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it.

This is wonderful. After Jesus makes that old Jerusalem desolate, their land shall then enjoy her Sabbaths as long as it lies desolate. This is because they are forsaken under law and brought into the New Covenant by which it has the true rest. If they are dead to the law, (desolate) then they will have the true rest. They had no rest under the law, as when they dwelt upon the land of law.

:36 And upon them that are left alive of you I will send a faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; and the sound of a shaken leaf shall chase them; and they shall flee, as fleeing from a sword; and they shall fall when none pursueth. : 37 And they shall fall one upon another, as it were before a sword, when none pursueth: and ye shall have no power to stand before your enemies. 38 And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up. : 39 And they that are left of you shall pine away in their iniquity in your enemies' lands; and also in the iniquities of their fathers shall they pine away with them.

This is saying that those over in the land of the enemy, the church, who are still alive to the Law (Rom. 7) will fall before the sword of the Word and pine away in their iniquity [because they refused the Holy Ghost to cleanse them] and they shall have no power before the enemy, the Christian ministers.

:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me: 41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:

Confess means to admit sin and repent. This is where Adam failed, he would not confess but he blamed Eve for his sin. This is saying for those who walked contrary to God by rejecting the Grace covenant, that if they will repent of this, humble their hearts and accept the circumcision of the heart, the Holy Ghost, [see the hardness of their heart was holding to that law; so to humble their hearts they must accept Jesus and NT Salvation by faith alone; without the works of the law.]

:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

See He is talking here about the covenant with Abraham and Jacob, not the covenant with Moses and those law people. He also says that He will remember the land. What land? The Heavenly City he promised to Abraham and his seed. If these rebellions law people will humble their hearts and accept grace, then He will bring them into the Holy Land of Grace and salvation.

:43 The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her Sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes.

This is speaking of the land of law, which Jesus pronounced as desolate. They had despised the judgments of God according to the grace law. They hated the teachings of the Apostles. This is the commandments of the New Testament, which they hated because it excluded their self-righteous works of the law and included all people of the world.

:44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God. : 45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD. : 46 These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.

This is saying that when they are in the land of the New Testament, God will not cast them away to break his covenant with them which he made to Abraham, not Moses. See verse 45 says that this is the covenant of their ancestors whom he brought forth out of the land of Egypt. Remember the word shows that the law covenant of Moses had NOT been given at this time of the Exodus from Egypt.

Now for a shocker: he said these are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made with them by the hand of Moses. So? He showed them there to obey the covenant of Abraham and live. Remember from the Two-Edged Sword, that both covanants were written upon those stones. The law was written on the front side, and Grace was written on the backside. They were told to keep the Grace Covanant. But they rebelled and kept the works of the law. The reason? They worshipped idols. Yes, idols are the separating line between the true children of God and children of Satan. The ones who worship idols go by law. You CANNOT worship idols and be in Grace.

God will not grant grace or mercy; forgivness to those who worship idols. Remember Peter said we believe that we (Jews) shall be saved as they [the grace people].

De 30:1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee: 2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul: 3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.

The blessing and the curse came upon them. The blessing came upon those who walked according to the grace covenant of faith. There are no curses under this covenant, for it is sanctified by the blood of Jesus by which we have NO SIN. But the curse came upon all who refused Jesus�?salvation and clung to law. There are no blessings under this covenant. All the blessings come under the grace covenant. Remember this is the tree of life. The law is the death tree. So life is a blessing and death is a curse. God said that if they will return to God and obey his voice to accept faith and Jesus�?blood, then He will turn away their captivity. This happened on the Day of Pentecost. He regathered them to himself there. Since then, all who come in by grace are accepted of God and gathered to him. He reconciled the world to himself by Jesus Christ, not by law.

De 30:4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee: 5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers. : 6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. : 7 And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.

The outmost parts of heaven means the law, for it was the cut off part. So if one is driven by their leaders into deception and led back to law, but they truly are children of God, then God will bring them back to grace, the land of Abraham. This is the freedom Jesus set us free to possess. We are not to be ruled over by anyone except God himself. See it proves this by saying God will circumcise their heart. This is the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Paul plainly taught this. God will put all these curses upon our enemies, which are the law people, the fleshly people who persecute the Christians. The Jews who clung to law were the main ones who persecuted the Christians. Later after they set up the Catholic Whore Church they again persecuted the Christians. All who persecute the Christians, God will persecute them. Paul also taught this.

De 30:8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day: 9 And the LORD thy God will make thee plenteous in every work of thine hand, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy land, for good: for the LORD will again rejoice over thee for good, as he rejoiced over thy fathers: 10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.

This says that when they return and obey the Lord and his commandments He will bless all their works. Blessings are not under the law covenant. This may look as if it means the Law of Moses, but the next verses prove it is not. It is the grace commandments given by the Apostles. Remember that law nation never did serve God with all their hearts. They worshipped idols.

:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. : 12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? : 13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? : 14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

Ro 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (That is, to bring Christ down from above:): 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (That is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) : 8 but what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. : 10 for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Now compare these two Scriptures. It is saying the same thing. So here Paul was quoting from Deut. 30: 11-14. So this PROVES that the commandment God was speaking of in verse 8-10 is the New Testament law of faith in Jesus = life in Christ Jesus, not the works of the OT Law of Moses. See this is how to separate these two covenants in the Word. This failure to rightly divide these Scripture is the main thing, which has plunged the World into darkness and thinking the Natural Jews and the natural Jerusalem, and that law is still the chosen thing of God. See this message solidly proves that IT NEVER WAS.

:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil: 16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

Verse 15- God had set before everyone, those in Moses�?day and those today, life and good, [grace; faith in Jesus] and death and evil [law; flesh works]. These are the two covenants, = law and grace; life and death. Life has never come by law. Paul solidly teaches this. He said if a law could have been given which could give life then verily life should have come by law. But it is impossible for we cannot do enough works to merit us salvation. It can only come by His grace and mercy. This is pure faith being counted unto us for righteousness; not works of the law.

So then this also proves that the commandments, statutes and judgments He is speaking of is the NT commandments given by the Apostles of Jesus and not the law given by Moses. That law could never give blessings and life. But the commandments and judgments of the Apostles did and have.

 
 
 

Reply
 Message 5 of 7 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/10/2007 4:46 PM
Part 5:
 
From: joie Sent: 2/14/2004 7:26 PM
 

:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them: 18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

Here God is saying that if the church turns away from Grace and the blood covenant of Jesus and goes back to law, and the blood covenant of bulls and goats [which all do who go back to law; for that is the blood of the covenant enjoined to them] and worship other gods [such as your holidays, your Santas, your easter bunnies, your new years parties and watchnight services, and all such things are idols] they will perish. Passing over Jordan meant being baptized in water in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. This showed that they had crossed over Jordan out of the OT of bondage (wilderness of sin) and into the grace of the NT. But if they do as most churches have done, and return back to law and idols, then they will not prolong their days in the land of grace, or salvation. It is a very dangerous thing to go back to law, bondage, and to worship idols. It will cost you your soul; your eternal life. Also I wish to add right here that those of you who refuse to be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ have NEVER passed out of law and into Grace. I know you think you have, but the Word of God proves this is the ONLY way of being transformed into the kingdom of Jesus.

:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: 20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

Now do you not see very clearly here that God had set before both sets of people, the OT and the NT people life; blessing-- and death; cursing? He said CHOOSE life that both you and your children may live.

See then that we must choose. Also see that the OT people HAD A CHOICE. They were never FORCED to live under that law. They CHOSE to do this. God said here that he had set before THEM both covenants = law and grace = life and death; blessings or cursing. So this proves that Moses told them both covenants. They could have chosen Grace and life.

See that he promised to those who choose life or grace that they will dwell in the land God swore to give to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. So what was this Land? It was eternal life or the glorified body, the Heavenly Jerusalem. This is our land. This is our heritage if we obey grace and the NT Commandments.

When Adam and Eve went into law and rebellion to God Adam was set to RULE over Eve. This was not their condition in the beginning. It was PUNISHMENT for their sin. It was the condition under LAW.

Under Grace no one RULES over another. We are all on equal grounds or ONE. So if the woman is still under the RULERSHIP of the man, then she is still being punished for sin and has no forgiveness. Jesus does not require punishment after He forgives our sins.

Abraham and Sarah were under grace. He did not rule over her. She was the one who received the revelation that the bondchild shall not be heir with the freechild. She told Abraham to send Hagar and Ishmael away.

Now Abraham did not want to do this. But God spoke to him and told him to harken to the voice of his wife; in other words, obey what she was saying. Under grace we are to submit to each other. The person speaking revelation from God is to be obeyed whether it is a male or a female. Equality is the heart of Christianity. Equality is charity; Equality is LOVE. Without equality there is law, hatred, confusion and disorder. This is solidly proven by what happened to Adam and Eve after they sinned and he was set to rule over her. Nothing has been right since.

Only in Christ, where he made us all one [on equal grounds again] is there peace and joy.

Jesus said the Gentiles exercise lordship (ruling) over others. BUT with you [Christians] it SHALL NOT BE SO.

So I ask you why has all of this ruling over others still prevaled so solidly in the churches? Because they are under law and death and curses.

Under grace everyone who had any rulership over others was to set them free. If a Christian had a servant, he was to set that servant free if the servant were a Christian. Paul showed this with Philemon.

God showed this when He himself, the HEAD over Christ, set Jesus on equal grounds with himself and gave him all the same power and authority of God after his resurrection. Then God set Jesus up on the throne of God to be in power as God. This took away that headship. The headship, or authority over others, was destroyed under grace. Now Jesus is on equal grounds with God himself.

Then Jesus told the man, who was under His authority, that he could have all the same power as Jesus. He can now do the same things Jesus did on earth. So this set the man on equal grounds with Jesus, the man. So now what is missing in this great piece of Grace? The Man setting his wife free! The man setting his wife on equal grounds with the man. Peter told husbands to love their wives AS THEMSELVES. Paul told men to love their wives as THEMSELVES. Why are they not doing it? Because they are under law. They want to rule over the child of God, his wife.

It is sin. It is law. It is death. It is a curse. Paul told the Corinthian Church that they were under law when they told women they could not teach. You are cutting out the blessing when you hold the daughters of God under this yoke or bondage of law. It will damn your own souls.

Now back to Deut. 19. Moses told the people that even though they had seen all the miracles God had done among them and Egypt that they did not have eyes to see and understand it. They were blinded by law and idol worship. They had not eaten bread or strong drink that they might know the Lord. They had not understood His Word.

Now: De 29:9 Keep therefore the words of this covenant, and do them, that ye may prosper in all that ye do: 10 Ye stand this day all of you before the LORD your God; your captains of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, with all the men of Israel: 11 Your little ones, your wives, and thy stranger that is in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood unto the drawer of thy water: 12 That thou shouldest enter into covenant with the LORD thy God, and into his oath, which the LORD thy God maketh with thee this day :13 That he may establish thee to day for a people unto himself, and that he may be unto thee a God, as he hath said unto thee, and as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob. : 14 Neither with you only do I make this covenant and this oath: 15 But with him that standeth here with us this day before the LORD our God, and also with him that is not here with us this day:

 
 

Reply
 Message 6 of 7 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/10/2007 4:47 PM
Part 6:
 
From: joie Sent: 2/14/2004 7:27 PM
 

Now at first glance, just reading casually along, one would think that verse 9 is speaking of the covenant of the law given to Moses. But a closer look will show that is it speaking of the covenant given to ABRAHAM, to Isaac and to Jacob. This covenant is the covenant of Jesus; grace. This is the everlasting covenant. Abraham was never under law. Paul plainly said that the seed of Isaac was Christ. So Moses is telling them here to keep the word of the grace Covanant so they could prosper. This is the blessing covenant. Law is the cursing covenant. So they would not be blessed to prosper under law.

See then that verse 13 is saying to the people of the grace covenant that he will establish THEM today for a people unto himself. He never established those law people as his people. People, all who may ever read this, I do hope and pray that you can ‘hear�?the truth of this message. The true Christians are the only ones God ever chose as a peculiar people for Himself! These Scriptures, rightly divided as they are today in this message, solidly PROVES this forever. Thank you Holy Lord Jesus for this great and powerful message.

Now go back and carefully read verses 14 & 15. God said not only with those people there that day, but with those who were not there with them that day did He make this covenant. Those not there with them that day were the faith people. This is proven in the message Two nations in one. So this proves it is the grace covenant. God never established the law covenant with us.

De 29:16 (For ye know how we have dwelt in the land of Egypt; and how we came through the nations which ye passed by: 17 And ye have seen their abominations, and their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold, which were among them:): 18 Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the LORD our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;

Here he told them that they had seen all the idols of wood and stone (buildings) and silver and gold among the heathen and if they go turn to those idols and serve those gods of the nations; they will bear gall and wormwood. This is part of the plagues in Revelation. The churches have picked up on all of these idols. So...

De 29:19 And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst: 20 The LORD will not spare him, but then the anger of the LORD and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the LORD shall blot out his name from under heaven.

This in 19 is the people who claim that they sin all they want to and are still Christians. They say they can worship all the idols of the heathens which the Catholic Church brought into the church from all the nations around them, and still have the peace, or salvation of God. This will cause God not to spare him but He will bring all the CURSES of His Book upon that person. And He will blot his name out from under heaven. So this means the person who assumes peace in such a condition is headed for hell. Read Psalms 149. It tells how the true Saints of God will pour out all the judgments written in the Book upon the sinners.

:24 Even all nations shall say, Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this land? What meaneth the heat of this great anger? : 25 Then men shall say, Because they have forsaken the covenant of the LORD God of their fathers, which he made with them when he brought them forth out of the land of Egypt: 26 For they went and served other gods, and worshipped them, gods whom they knew not, and whom he had not given unto them: 27 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against this land, to bring upon it all the curses that are written in this book: 28 And the LORD rooted them out of their land in anger, and in wrath, and in great indignation, and cast them into another land, as it is this day.

Verse 25-- this said that they forsook the covenant of the LORD God, which he made with those who came out of Egypt. Now at the first of the message I showed how this means the Covenant of Abraham; for the covenant of Moses was not given at that time. And because they turned and worshipped idol gods of the nations around them, God turned his hot anger against them and destroyed them. He drove them into another land = the land of Grace. This was their only hope for Salvation. This is the condition of the polluted church of Laodicia today. They are lukewarm, naked, blind and wretched, miserable and rich in goods but naked to God. Doesn’t sound like a people under blessings of God does it? Why are they in this condition? Because they went back to law; to worshipping idols. Idols are the sign of being under law. Under Grace we worship the Lord our God and Him only.

No other people can do this. No other people are under grace. If you worship idols you are under law and headed to destruction. The Word of God here in this extensive message has clearly warned you to flee the wrath to come.

Ex 2:23 And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage. : 24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob. : 25 And God looked upon the children of Israel, and God had respect unto them.

See that God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob here in Egypt. This is the grace Covenant. It is the life covenant. Abraham had the blessing of God. There are no blessings under the death, law covenant of Moses. Now verse 25 says that this is the reason God had respect unto these Israelites. He was looking at the Grace People who would come from this nation of Israel. This is Paul, Peter, Jesus and us.

Ex 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. : 4 And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their pilgrimage, wherein they were strangers. : 5 And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant. : 6 Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments: 7 And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God: and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God, which bringeth you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians. : 8 And I will bring you in unto the land, concerning the which I did swear to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for an heritage: I am the LORD.

Now this is a powerful proof of the truth of this message. God said he appeared unto Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He established his covenant with them to give them the land of Canaan. So this Canaan is the spiritual land of the New Jerusalem. God is not speaking carnal here. It is spiritual. Canaan is only a type; an earthly name for the true City of God. This covenant with Abraham is the one He keeps saying all the way through the Scripture that he remembered and had respect unto; not the law covenant. The people he rids of the bondage of Egypt are those who get free of law. This is the bondage. Egypt holding them was only a type of the law having its people under heavy bondage. Jesus came to set us all free of this bondage. Only those who go free are the ones God took to himself for a people. The nation of Israel, under law, was only a ‘carrier�?of this true Seed of Jesus.

Ex 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel: 4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself. : 5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

 

Verse 4-- God bares them on eagles�?wings. This is the fourth condition of the True Church. So he brought the Christians unto himself on the eagles�?wings. So the covenant he is telling them to keep is the one to Abraham, grace. These are the peculiar treasures to God above all people. This true Church is the kingdom of priests and the holy nation. Read in Peter how he told those who had once not been a people that they are now the holy nation to God. This was the Gentile Christians; all Christians.

Ex 34:12 Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee: 13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves: 14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God: 15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice :16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods. 17 Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

In verse 13 we are told to destroy their altars of idols, break their images and cut down their groves. So this is the job of all true Christians. We must break down the idols in this church world and around us. We must speak out against this evil to tear down the walls of Babylon. That is why I speak out against this idolatry so much. See the groves? All those x-mass trees. Sure. When you eat your x-mass dinners, and all these other festivities, you are eating of the idol sacrifice. It is a snare to your soul. Verse 17-- make no molten gods. Do you realize what molten means? Things made by melting and casting. IN other words these factory made idols of Santa, reindeers, skeletons, and all the other things you use in your celebrations.

It also means having warmth or brilliance; glowing. Sound familiar? It is all those x-mass lights you string up!

So where are you with your idols? By the way I got those meanings out of my Webster's. I did not make this up. Check it for yourself.

Ex 24:5 and he sent young men of the children of Israel, which offered burnt offerings, and sacrificed peace offerings of oxen unto the LORD. : 6 And Moses took half of the blood, and put it in basins; and half of the blood he sprinkled on the altar. : 7 And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. : 8 And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

Now this Scripture is here to prove that the law covenant was only sanctified by the blood of animals. This never changes. If you are under law today, you are under the blood of animals, even though you never kill one. That is why you feel you are still a sinner. You are! The blood of animals cannot take away your sins. So if you stay under law, you will never be free of your sins and you will be lost.

Ex 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. : 28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Now this solidly proves that the law Moses wrote for a covenant with Israel was the Ten Commandments. This is the covenant of law and death. It is curses. The commandments of the Apostles are the covenant of Grace. Only through the method given on the Day of Pentecost can one have grace or salvation. You find me another way if you think there is one. Abraham was never given any Ten Commandments!

Now for one last Scripture. This is beautiful.

Le 24:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Command the children of Israel, that they bring unto thee pure oil olive beaten for the light, to cause the lamps to burn continually.

 
 

Reply
 Message 7 of 7 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/10/2007 4:48 PM
Part 7:
 
From: joie Sent: 2/14/2004 7:35 PM
 

Now for one last Scripture. This is beautiful.

Le 24:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Command the children of Israel, that they bring unto thee pure oil olive beaten for the light, to cause the lamps to burn continually.

This represents the crucifixion of Jesus. He was the pure olive oil, which was beaten for a light to cause the lamps (the churches) to burn continually.

Le 24:3 Without the veil of the testimony, in the tabernacle of the congregation, shall Aaron order it from the evening unto the morning before the LORD continually: it shall be a statute forever in your generations. : 4 He shall order the lamps upon the pure candlestick before the LORD continually. : 5 And thou shalt take fine flour, and bake twelve cakes thereof: two tenth deals shall be in one cake. : 6 And thou shalt set them in two rows, six on a row, upon the pure table before the LORD. : 7 And thou shalt put pure frankincense upon each row, that it may be on the bread for a memorial, even an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

Notice the word Pure keeps appearing. This is the true Holiness of the Lord. The pure table is the true Word of God, rightly divided and revealed. The pure candlesticks are the true Church. This bread is the true Word of God we are to eat.

:8 Every Sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant. : 9 And it shall be Aaron's and his sons'; and they shall eat it in the holy place: for it is most holy unto him of the offerings of the LORD made by fire by a perpetual statute.

See that this is done on every Sabbath. This is the true rest to the soul given by Jesus. This is the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. This is the only everlasting covenant. The law covenant has been done away with. This is solidly taught in 11Cor. 3 and in Hebrews.

So Aaron represents the NT Priests. We are the only ones who ever ate the pure bread in the holy place, the Holy Ghost. See in Hebrews it said the way into the Holiest of all was not made manifest while that first tabernacle was yet standing. This means the OT law and the literal body of Jesus had to fall before we could ever enter into the Holy place.

This offering made by fire by a perpetual statute is the Baptism of fire. This Holy Ghost and Fire is established by God to last forever. This is the everlasting covenant given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and to those of us who live by faith. Not of works, lest any should boast.

Jesus said Lu 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

So now I know everyone is used to the old way of thinking and say that Old Israel, that law nation, was the chosen of God. They all seem to think that they are still His Chosen people and that there is something holy about the natural Jerusalem. So I know that this ‘new wine�?or revelation is not going to be very acceptable to anyone at the first. But just sip on it. Let it have time to soak in. You will find this entire message is totally true with the written Word of God.

By: Jo Smith--- Feb. 13, 2004

 

Ok, this is it.  My last and marvelous revelation.  I know this is extreemly long.  but I am telling you it is worth it to study this.  This is something the whole world has missed and has wrong.  The truth is solidly proven and most marvelour.  I hope it will be a blessing to someone.

 


First  Previous  2-7 of 7  Next  Last 
Return to Law & Sabbath