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Law & Sabbath : That which waxeth old
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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 7/10/2007 6:20 PM
From: joie  (Original Message) Sent: 7/20/2003 1:31 PM

  

~ That which waxeth old ~

Mal. 1: 7. Ye offer polluted bread upon mine altar; and ye say wherein have we polluted thee? In that ye say, The table of the Lord is contemptible.

The table of the Lord.... The place one is fed spiritual food. The O.T., law people said His table is contemptible. They themselves had been the ones to pollute it. They hated doing the things God told them to do. They loved idols. They hated having to bring their best lambs to sacrifice to God, so they brought the lame, the sick and all sorts of diseased animals as a sacrifice to God. So God was very angry with them.

Eze. 20: 24. Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my Sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.

25. Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

26. And I polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord.

27. Therefore, son of man, speak unto the house of Israel, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Yet in this your fathers have blasphemed me, in that they have committed a trespass against me.

28. For when I had brought them into the land, for the which I lifted up mine hand to give it to them, then they saw every high hill, and all the thick trees, and they offered there their sacrifices, and there they presented the provocation of their offering: there also they made their sweet savour, and poured out there their drink offerings.

( This ‘land�?which he promised and brought them into is really the land of Grace, or the second Covenant; it is only typed by the natural land of Canaan .) They came into Grace and then turned back in their hearts to law, as their fathers had turned back in their hearts to Egypt; they wanted their idols. So they picked up all the idols around them. This is the polluted Church, keeping x-mas, Easter, and all the other idols.)

29. Then I said unto them, What is the high place whereunto ye go? And the name thereof is called Bamah unto this day.

30. Wherefore say unto the house of Israel Thus saith the Lord God; are ye polluted after the manner of your fathers? And commit ye whoredom after their abominations?

31. For when ye offer your gifts, when ye make your sons to pass through the fire, ye pollute yourselves with all your idols, even unto this day: and shall I be inquired of by you, O house of Israel? As I live, saith the Lord God, I will not be inquired of by you.

32. And that which cometh into your mind shall not be at all, that ye say, We will be as the heathen, as the families of the countries, to serve wood and stone.

Now God has told the Israelites that because they polluted their gifts and Sabbaths that he gave them statutes that were not good and by which they should not live. See they could not live in their laws. They ran after all their father’s idols and offered their own children in sacrifice in the high place called Bamah. This is a high place of Baal.

Now in our previous studies we have found that God finally did completely away with that whole Old Testament. He said it had displeased him in every place. That law was the seventh head on the seven-head beast. So seven is the completed thing. Seven completes the week. That was the last head, it had waxed old and decayed. It perished away.

God brought in a New Covenant, sanctified by the blood of Jesus. That old covenant was sanctified by the blood of animals. It never did take away their sins. They never quit loving their idols. God hated them and cast them out of his sight.

Now God spoke to me yesterday and said to me, that which waxeth old and decayeth is ready to vanish away... this is the church.

I had never connected this with the church before. I have always seen that this is that law or the old covenant. I knew it was speaking of this. But I had never seen it as the church, even as much as I have seen that the church went back to law. It just never occurred to me.

Heb. 8: 7. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11. And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

13. In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Now as I read this last night, I was wondering how the church could be with this first covenant which waxed old and decayed and was ready to vanish away. For I was still thinking of the first covenant as strictly O.T. stuff. But then God opened my understanding to this: Paul taught very clearly that the churches even in his day had all gone back to the law. We see clearly in the Book of Acts that even Peter said they had gone back to the law, and that we were not to go back to that bondage and keeping the law of Moses.

Galatians 5: 1. Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

5. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

6. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

7. Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

Now I will conclude this message with this Scripture in Gal. 5. See that Paul told the churches that Christ has made us FREE. Be not entangled AGAIN WITH THE YOKE OF BONDAGE.

This yoke of bondage is the same yoke Peter said in Acts 15 was the bondage their fathers could not bear = the LAW.

That is the people we spoke of in the beginning of this message--- that had polluted God’s table; polluted his Sabbaths, and offered lame, sick sacrificed, and killed their children in sacrifice to devils in Baal’s high places.

Yet now, this New Church has left the freedom Christ brought them into and went back to that bondage of law and idol worship.

So what was the results?

4. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Christ is now of no effect to them, they fell from GRACE, WHICH IS THE NEW OR SECOND COVENANT.

So, see, now they are not a part of the new or second covenant of Grace. They went back to that first, polluted, and rejected, decayed old covenant, which God had done away with.

It had waxed old, decayed and was ready to vanish away. This is how the church became that which has waxed old, decayed and is ready to vanish away. They picked right back up on the law and became a member of that first, old, decayed covenant of law. They are not a member of the new covenant of Grace. So they are a part of the covenant which is to vanish away.

This is why she is said to be twice dead, plucked up by the roots. She was first in that Old Testament of law, which decayed and was rejected by God. Then she started this whorish church and again became polluted, decayed and is now rejected by God. So this is twice she has become dead. This time she will be plucked up by the roots and will never be again.

In the New World, which is soon to begin, and into which some of us have already entered by coming out of her and becoming a separate and peculiar people to our God. We are not serving him under that old, corrupt, polluted table. We are eating clean heavenly food. We are partaking of God’s Holy uncorrupted table. It is not contemptible! It is most glorious.

But whorish Babylon, the twice dead, corrupt church cannot eat at this table, for to her it is contemptible. Why? Because she STILL LOVES THOSE IDOLS. She still sacrifices her children to devils. She teaches them to love Santa Clause, Easter Bunnies, x-mas trees, ungodly television and movies. She teaches them to run around naked or nearly there. Those who love their idols could never see this true table of God, which forbids idols, as something delicious.

Heb. 6: 4. For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5. And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6. If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

7. For the earth, which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

8. But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

9. But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

Now right here is also proof that ‘once saved, always saved�?is a lie. (As they teach saved)

V4-- once enlightened, = came to see and understand the New Covenant = Grace.

. Tasted the heavenly gift, and were partakers of the Holy Ghost... they had actually come into Grace and received the Holy Ghost.

V5--and had tasted, or understood the good word of God, and the POWERS of the world to come (coming into the life beyond church-hood).... It is IMPOSSIBLE to renew these people AGAIN unto repentance, IF THEY FALL AWAY.

Now what is this ‘falling away?�? It is what Paul said in Gal. 5, that if you go back to one tiny part of law, you FALL FROM GRACE, BY WHICH CHRIST IS THEN OF NO EFFECT TO YOU.

If He is of no effect to you, you are not in the New Covenant, sanctified by his blood, and you will be eternally LOST. For see verse 5 here in Heb. 6- it says it is IMPOSSIBLE to renew those people who FALL AWAY... fall away from Grace. For this is crucifying Jesus all over again and doing despite to the Spirit of Grace.

By one Spirit are we Baptized into on body, which is the body of Christ or Grace. This is the only way in. Keeping Law does not get you in. And it will not keep you in; it takes you away eternally.

This is why people under the law cannot understand what the Word teaches. This is why their preachers turn to ‘sermon�?books and commentaries to get sermons, for they cannot ‘hear�?the truth. They do not understand what they read. It is foreign to them. It is an unknown tongue. The law is what bears briars and thorns. If you go back to law, this is rejected. It blinds you so you can never see or hear truth.

Hebrews 9: 1. Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

2. For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

3. And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

Now see that the first covenant (law) has a ‘worldly�?sanctuary made by hands. This is today the physical church buildings; it is also our human bodies, which are still in the flesh and not on the altar of sacrifice to God.

8. The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

Now this is saying that as long as this first worldly sanctuary is still standing, the way into the second covenant or testament, the holiest of all, is not made manifest. This is profound! It is showing that as long as the ‘church�?which has gone back to law, is caught up in their worldly, outward building or sanctuary, that they will never find the way into the true sanctuary which God pitched and not man.

All these church buildings are made by man, and will blind you to truth. As long as you are thinking you must go to one of them for salvation, you are still under that first covenant of law. You think you must tithe.. You are under law = that first, old, decayed, done away with first testament.

You think you must keep a weekly Sabbath, you are under law, doomed to hell; unless you have never had the Holy Ghost and can still find that place of repentance, and then continue on in the New Covenant, without picking back up the law.

All who now serve under the law (which is almost everyone calling themselves a Christian) are lost and headed to hell. If you already knew the truth and had the Holy Ghost and then turned back to law, you cannot ever get back to God. It is IMPOSSIBLE. For you turned your back on the New Covenant purchased with the Blood and sacrifice of Jesus.

You put him to an open shame. If you think you must ‘go to church�?you are under law and lost. Unless you can turn all this loose and come into pure faith and walk by Grace, not tied to anything but pure faith in the Word of God, you are lost. You are under the old covenant, which is decayed and done away with.

Come out of her my people; come up hither; are both calls from God for His people to come out of Babylon, this whorish Jerusalem which healed that destroyed head of law and brought it back up again and once again made worldly sanctuaries for people to ‘worship�?

She is the ‘twice dead�?plucked up by the roots. She was the old testament ancient Jews or Jerusalem, the whole law bit Then she transformed herself into the whorish church and returned back to her vomit, the polluted tables of law, tithing, worshipping idols, and all that goes with that law way of life. She is twice polluted and now God is going to pluck up her roots so she will never rise up again. Only those of us who obeyed this call to ‘come out of her�?or ‘come up hither�?into his presence and grace, only we will be saved and given our inheritance of a glorified body.

By: Jo Smith

Sunday/ 7/20/2003



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/10/2007 6:41 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameIsaiah·</NOBR> Sent: 7/20/2003 10:03 PM
 

Sure joie you are right the church world  is in the same condition that the Old Testament was in and God is going to do away with it. The church system is and has always been an enemy to God. You know what really amazed me, last night when we were talking on the buddy thing that we realized that God had showed us both about the church. That it had replaced the law.

Who was the one always against the New Testament teaching. They were the Scribes and the Pharisees. They were always an enemy to Jesus Christ.

PSA 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

MATH.22:44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

HEB 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

HEB 10:13From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

LAM 2:1 How hath the Lord covered the daughter of Zion with a cloud in his anger, and cast down from heaven unto the earth the beauty of Israel, and remembered not his footstool in the day of his anger!

He appears angry with Israel has become their enemy, and FIGHTING AGAINST THEM. They were cast out and he remember them no more.

De 31:26 -Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

1Ki 8:1 - Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto king Solomon in Jerusalem, that they might bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of the city of David, which is Zion.

Jer 3:16And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, The ark of the covenant of the LORD: neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.

See they have polluted the church and brought the ark of the covenant back in ( the law) where it was taken out of the city of David which is Zion the church. He said the ark of the covenant which had the law which was a witness against them shall be remember no more. But the church has brought it back in and that is why God is angry.

Lam 2:2 The LORD hath swallowed up all the habitations of Jacob, and hath not pitied: he hath thrown down in his wrath the strong holds of the daughter of Judah; he hath brought them down to the ground: he hath polluted the kingdom and the princes thereof. ( See how the church world is polluted today just as that law system was.

2:3 He hath cut off in his fierce anger all the horn of Israel: he hath drawn back his right hand (Jesus) from before the enemy, and he burned against Jacob like a flaming fire, which devoureth round about.( The enemy was Israel ( law) and we see the church as Jacob. He cut them off. Just like he is going to cut the church world off to day.

2:4 He hath bent his bow like an enemy: he stood with his right hand ( Jesus) as an adversary, and slew all that were pleasant to the eye in the tabernacle of the daughter of Zion: he poured out his fury like fire.( Jesus has become their adversary. See where they were all at when he slew them and the things that was pleasant to the eye. In the tabernacle of the daughter of Zion, in the church. The church is in the same condition the that the Old Testament was in then. It has become an enemy to God.

Lam. 1: 19- I called for my lovers, but they deceived me: my priests and mine elders gave up the ghost in the city, while they sought their meat to relieve their souls.( See this is the church world calling for their lovers. The rocks and the mountains, in other words the church and the large organizations. But see what happens, they had deceived me, church people that are there being deceived by the pastors, churches and organizations.

1:20 Behold, O LORD; for I am in distress: my bowels are troubled; mine heart is turned within me; for I have grievously rebelled: abroad the sword bereaveth, at home there is as death. ( Just as that Old Testament rebeled against God ,so is the church

1:21 They have heard that I sigh: there is none to comfort me: all mine enemies have heard of my trouble; they are glad that thou hast done it: thou wilt bring the day that thou hast called, and they shall be like unto me.( there is none to comfort me. See there is no Holy Ghost. Most of the church today say that the Holy Ghost is not for us today. And don’t even talk about speaking in tongues, or being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and living a holy sanctified life.)

1:22 Let all their wickedness come before thee; and do unto them, as thou hast done unto me for all my transgressions: for my sighs are many, and my heart is faint. ( This in the Old Testament crying out for God to do unto the church as he had done unto it. Because also the church has rebelled just as it did. The church has come just as wicked as it did.

 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/10/2007 6:42 PM
From: joie Sent: 7/21/2003 1:24 PM
Yes!  That is so true, Isaiah.  A marvelous message.  God has raised us up to cry out against this polluted church today.
They need to heed this cry and REPENT.  If they still can.
 
That is pure prophecy and will be fulfilled.  It is written, so it is going to happen, their prayer, to do unto her( the church which replaed her)  as thou hast done unto me for all my trangressions.
 
AND IT IS GOING TO BE FULFILLED.    CHURCH, YOU WILL ALSO BE MADE   DESOLATE.
TWICE DEAD --- PLUCKED UP BY THE ROOTS---- NEVER TO BE ANYMORE---THE KINGDOM OF SATAN SITTING THERE IN THE LAW---- THEN IN THE CHURCH---- TRYING TO TAKE THE PLACE OF GOD ---- SHOWING HIMSELF THAT HE  IS  GOD...... AND THEM BELIEVING HIM AND OBEYING HIM...... GOING CONTRARY TO THE TRUE GOD..
 
REJECT   REPENTANCE (CAN SIN ALL YOU WANT TO; MUST SIN EVERY DAY)  ----WHEREAS God said live Holy as I am Holy.
 
 
Reject--- Baptism of Holy Ghost;  it not for any today..... tongues is of the devil..... not for today........healings by prayer not true...must go to doctors.....
Reject Baptism for the remission of sins....
 
See?  That is her lies of today.  that is her vomit.....that is her rebellion to God.
 
Church, you are doomed to destruction.
 
COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE; COME UP HITHER, INTO THE THRONE ROOM OF GOD.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/10/2007 6:44 PM
From: joie Sent: 8/5/2003 10:53 PM
Luke 24: 27.  And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
 28.  And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.
 29.  But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.
 30.  And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
 31.  And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
 32.  And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

Now read what is REALLY being said here:  Jesus EXPOUNDED (explained) ALL the Scriptures (none were written at this time except O.T. writtings.)---- but Jesus expounded in all the prophets and Moses books the things concerning himself.

In other words, Jesus took the O.T. Books and brought them UP-TO-DATE:  meaning he explained them from the New Covenant.

See then, that every written Word of God is taught as New CovenantMoses wrote the New Covenant.  Isaiah wrote the New Covenant.  But it was not understood until Jesus resurrected and TAUGHT it to them for the N.T.

Paul said in one place that he only said what the Scriptures say;  ---- he quoted from the O.T. Books for every thing he said---- yet he was teaching Grace = New Covenant. 

So the O.T. Books must be taught for the N.T.  He said they had polluted God's table --- how?  Because they taught it as Old Covenant.  They understood it as LAW.

Today it is polluted bread because of the same reason --YOU ARE TEACHING THE WHOLE BOOK.  O.T. AND N.T. BOOKS AS OLD COVENANT = LAW.

BY THIS YOU ARE   GUILTY.  YOU ARE GUILTY OF   POLLUTING  THE BREAD, THE WORD OF GOD BY SAYING IT IS LAW.  IT WAS NEVER LAW.  IT WAS ALWAYS GRACE; BUT THEY COULD NOT SEE IT AS GRACE; THE SAME WORDS USED TO TEACH LAW; JESUS TOOK AND OPENED THEIR UNDERSTANDING   THAT IT WAS GRACE.

Jesus opened their UNDERSTANDING that it was  ALWAYS  GRACE;  IT WAS NEVER LAW...... THEY ONLY PERCEIVED IT TO BE LAW...... THEREFORE THEY HAD NO FAITH.......and without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to PLEASE God.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/10/2007 6:45 PM
From: joie Sent: 8/15/2003 10:54 PM
If you desire a complete and thorough message and understanding on how the Church is old Jerusalem;  the law.  Take this message, print it out;  place it with these:  Babylon and the Beast;
The law is death;
Jerusalem, the mystery Babylon;
and I am sure there are others,  but these four together will give you a good lesson on this law subject.
 
There is no reason to remain in darkness on this matter with this much true revelation here in this community fully explaining this matter. 
 
And God just showed me something as I read the one on Babylon and the Beast -- solid proof in Jesus' own words that Adam, Cain and their kind are the  SERPENT.
  Full proof.  I will type it up and show you.
 
Jo

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