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Law & Sabbath : Two Mediators
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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 6/26/2008 12:02 AM
From: joie  (Original Message) Sent: 12/1/2001 12:50 PM

There are two covenants: the law and grace. These two cannot exist together. You are either under the law = the O.T. Covenant; or in sin, or else in Grace.

You cannot be under the law and be in grace; it must be one or the other. The laws of these two covenants are different. Both are the laws of God; but one was given because of sin; which brought the people into bondage; this was the O.T. Covenant of law. This was death; this had not the power to give life.

Only by the Covenant of Grace is there any life. Galatians 3:21---Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Gal. 3:17---And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years AFTER, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

v18---For if the INHERITANCE be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

v19--Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a MEDIATOR.

v23---But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

v25--But after that FAITH is come, we are NO LONGER UNDER A SCHOOLMASTER.

v26---For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

v27--For AS MANY OF YOU AS HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED INTO CHRIST HAVE PUT ON CHRIST.

v28---There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither MALE NOR FEMALE: for ye are all ONE in Christ Jesus.

Now, this is the new ‘law�?of the N.T. Covenant: = no one is in bondage; nationality is not considered; gender is not considered.

We are all ONE = the same; that is, if you are in Christ Jesus.

John 5:45---Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even MOSES, in whom ye trust.

John 7:19---Did not MOSES give you the LAW, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

(Thou shalt not KILL).

John 1:17---For the LAW was given by MOSES, but GRACE AND TRUTH came by Jesus Christ.

Moses was the MEDIATOR of the O.T.Covenant. Jesus is the MEDIATOR of the N.T. Covenant. The O.T. Covenant is sanctified by the blood of bulls and goats. The N.T. Covenant is sanctified by the blood of Jesus.

Heb. 3:1-6--shows that Moses was a son over his ‘HOUSE�? the O.T; But Jesus is the Son over His House, the N.T. So, there you have the two houses; the two mediators; the two different means of sanctification for the house. It is clear that you cannot be sanctified by the blood of Jesus, if you go back to the law, the house of Moses, and bring yourself back to the blood of bulls and goats.

Now, what was the ‘thorn�?to Paul? Some imagine this; some that. They think it was something ‘wrong�?with Paul’s human body. But this is not the case.

Read Acts 21:18-28---This tells that the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem, told Paul that he was being accused of denying Moses and the Holy Place, and the law. They got Paul to shave his head, go into the temple and do the ritual of purification required by the law. Paul did this to appease those Jews. You see, in Paul’s ‘flesh�?= carnal = law mind, he was still having a battle to let go of life-long tradition of ‘law-keeping�?

People, this is Paul’s thorn in his flesh = he still held to that law and those Jewish people as being God’s supreme people, at the first.

He stated in Romans that he could wish himself accursed from Christ, for his kinsmen according to the ‘flesh�? = those Jews.

According to the LAW, the only acceptable place of worship, is Jerusalem. But, Jesus had told the world that the time had come when that would not be the place of worship; it would be anywhere, anytime; not a Sabbath day, one-day a week think; no, it is every day. People, if you go back under the law, the ONLY place you can worship is Jerusalem!!! You had better to there! (perhaps, this is why so many deceived church people trot over there all the time).

Yet, here in Acts, we see Paul still acting as if Jerusalem is the Holy Place. You see him doing the purification thing; you see him going into the temple on the Sabbath Day. Now, why is this? Because, like Peter, Paul was, at first, having trouble letting go of the carnal = law mind, which had been instilled into him from birth.

Gal. 4: 13---Ye know how through infirmity of the FLESH I preached the gospel unto you AT THE FIRST.

v14--And my temptation which was in my FLESH ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Then he goes on to tell them that if they go back to the law, they fall from GRACE.

Paul said he sought the Lord trice about this matter; he said it was the messenger of Satan, buffeting him. So, this was that law thing in his mind; which Paul was having trouble discarding. It is proven by that act of his shaving his, taking a vow, and purifying himself according to the law. You know that this is totally contrary to Faith; to sanctification by Grace. But, what did Jesus tell him? MY GRACE IS SUFFICIENT FOR YOU!!!

See? Jesus told Paul that Paul did NOT need to do those things required by LAW; for Grace is sufficient for sanctification and salvation. For by the LAW SHALL NO FLESH BE JUSTIFIED.

Paul finally got it. Then he rebuked Peter for separating himself from the Gentiles. He wanted to help Peter get it. They were both having trouble turning from the LAW.

Now, when Paul said for women to keep silent, he said As also saith the LAW. He was telling them that if they go back to the law, this is what is required.

When he said for women not to teach, in 1Tim. he took it to the Garden of Eden Law; where Eve was told that her husband would RULE over her. In Christ there is no one boundage.

He set every one FREE. If women are not free to do just exactly the same thing Sons of God do, then she is still under the law; still under bondage.

For one to say a woman cannot speak the words of God to a man; or to anyone, is to call Jesus himself a lie.

Jesus set women over the N.T. move. In John 20---we are told that Peter and John went to the sepulchre, after being told by Mary that they had taken the Lord away.

They both were there at the tomb. But, v10--Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.

v11--But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and she looked into the tomb and saw two angels who spoke to her and told her Jesus was risen. The very first person to know this. Now, mind you, those two angels KNEW that Peter and John and JUST BEEN THERE!!! Yet, they had not spoken to those men.

In verses 14-18--- Mary sees Jesus; he calls her by name __the first one he KNEW THIS WAY. Then she knew him. The true foundation is manifest here.

v17---...Jesus saith unto her....go to my brethren, (men) and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

v18--Mary Magdalene came and TOLD the DISCIPLES that had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto.

In Luke 24 where it says the women told this to the disciples, v11--And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.

Now, why did these women’s words seems as ‘idle�?tales? Because they believed that a woman could not preach the gospel. They still were under that LAW at this time. So, they could not believe that Jesus had told these women to go tell the men about the resurrection.

In this instance, Jesus fulfilled the prophecy of Mary, made in Luke 1:46-55---.

v48--For he hath regarded the LOW ESTATE of his handmaiden: ..

v52---He hath put DOWN the mighty from their seats and EXALTED them of LOW DEGREE.

Now, see, that in v 48 she spoke, by the Holy Ghost, of the LOW ESTATE, OR DEGREE of women. So, four verses later, v52, he is still speaking of WOMEN when he spoke through her, that he would exalt them of low degree. The men were not the ones of LOW DEGREE. The women were the ones. So, here Jesus lifted up those of low degree, the women, and told them to carry the Word of God to men.

HOW DARE YOU TRY TO PUT JESUS UNDER LAW AND TELL HIM HE CAN NOT DO THIS???

If Jesus is Lord, then his word is the word of God. Right??? Then IF Jesus told WOMEN to go TELL MEN ABOUT HIS RESURRECTION, is this not the Lord giving HIS Word to women to go give to men?

How dare you tell Jesus he can not do this? How dare you tell women they cannot obey him?

Women, if God tells you to preach, teach, rule, don’t listen to the ‘wolves�?who are themselves under the bondage of the LAW; don’t let them make you disobey your God and your Father. Don’t let them put you back under that bondage which our precious Jesus delivered us from!!

Get out there, by GRACE, and teach, preach, whatever you can do for the kingdom of God, DO IT!!!

If you are under GRACE, AND NOT LAW, you can do anything a man can do. He lifted you up and put them down. So says the Word.

If you SIN willfully, after coming to the knowledge of the TRUTH, there remaineth no more sacrifice for you; but fearful looking for of firey judgment and indignation which shall DEVOUR you.

This is saying, if you come to Jesus, the truth, then go back to law, willfully, you fall from GRACE; THE SACRIFICE OF JESUS IS NOT AVAILABLE TO YOU; FOR YOU GO BACK TO THE O.T. COVENANT, THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS; THE MEDIATOR OF MOSES.

Moses is the one accusing you to the Father. What is he accusing you of? Of turning your back on Jesus, the Spirit of Grace, and freedom for all. This amounts to doing despite to the Spirit of Grace; counting the blood of Jesus an unholy thing and trampling it under foot. People, this is what going back to the LAW is doing. This is where it puts you.

So, since this may be me very last message to you, Please, read all of this; study it; flee those who bring you back under the bondage of the law. Get free of Sabbath keeping, tithing, women not teaching, etc. All these things bring you back under the law of bondage; puts you under the blood of bulls and goats; causes Moses to become your accuser.

If you never get anything else, get this. Without an understanding of Grace and LAW, YOU WILL BE LOST. For by the Law shall no flesh be justified; but a certain fearful looking to of being devoured by God.

Peter had a hard time coming to grace; he thought he still could not eat all meats; he thought the Gentiles could not get to God; then he still did not want to fellowship them. Paul had a hard time getting free from law and into grace. At first, he still thought of the Jews as special people, he purified himself to please them, he taught women had to be silent according to the law. But, after he was all the way into grace he commended Phebe as a great ruler and teacher and pastor.

Don’t listen to those liars trying to keep you from being used by God; of trying to put you back under the law of women can’t teach. Come to GRACE; FOR THERE IS NO SALVATION OUTSIDE OF GRACE. In grace, in Christ he does not see male or female; we are all baptized into one body; we are all part of the same body; we can all be sent of God to preach and tell the world about Jesus.

PRAISE OUR HOLY GOD!!! THANK YOU JESUS FOR THIS GREAT TRUTH.

Your handmaiden, Jo Smith.



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 Message 2 of 3 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/26/2008 12:04 AM
From: joie Sent: 12/1/2001 12:57 PM
Members of this community,  Please, all of you, study this above message throughly.  It is of upmost importance to your Christian life.
 
I was led of God this morning to give you this message.  Women, daughters of God, don't let unbelieving, law keeping men keep you from your rightful heritage and freedom in Jesus Christ.  You can preach, teach, rule, pastor or anything else there is to do in the kingdom of Christ.  Only those under the law are forbidden by law to do this.  But, then you fall from Grace and salvation.  Those who try to bring you back to this bondage are also fallen from Grace and will be lost.
 
As far as I know at this time,  this community will be deleted on Dec. 13.  All four of us managers are agreement to do this.  Since Wanna and I will be leaving on the 14th to go to Fla.,  we will not be here to watch over this board.  And we would rather close it down than to leave it free to the wolves which are in here now.
 
God bless all of you.  We appreciate you all.  I may not be able to get back on anymore.  We still have a lot to do to get ready to leave.
 
I just wanted to give this board the truth of this matter.  Women, let God use you anyway He can.
 
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/26/2008 12:04 AM
From: joie Sent: 12/1/2001 7:00 PM

 Stranger, that is just what I was mediating on since I posted the message.  God showed that it is not of the works of the law by which we can receive life.  He let law run it's course; then did away with it;  showing that by the works of the law no flesh can be justified.  It is of no good thing in us or any good thing that we could ever do which could gives us eternal life.  Nothing we could ever accomplish would have the power or merit to grant us forgiveness and life.

If this were true, then man could boast that his own goodness or good works granted him life.  But God fixed it so that it is solely by His Grace,  His un-merited favor or His goodness to us  that we will ever have eternal life.

I came to understand this, just after posting this message;  why God made it be just Grace;  for this proves that we were completely unworthy; unable to bring about our own salvation.  It is totally a GIFT from Him.  But, the only way we can receive this gift, is to accept it on His terms;  which is pure Grace.  To go back to law, is to still try to claim that by your own works you earned righteousness.

That is why it is doing dispite to the spirit of Grace.  We acknowledge, through accepting Grace, that it is something we could not do for ourselves;  God is the only one great enough to give us eternal life.  We do not earn it by our works or goodness.  It is His gift to us.  That is why Paul said if it is of works, then it is no more of Grace. 

This is a wonderful revelation.  Thank God for it.

Jo