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From: MSN NicknameSobeit33  (Original Message)Sent: 2/26/2004 3:17 AM
~~ We Beheld His Glory ~~
 
John 14: 14.  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
 
Now, go back and read that again.  It did not SAY THAT THE WORD IS JESUS.  JESUS IS NOT THE WORD.
 
It did not say Jesus was in the beginning with God.  It said the Word was.
Rev. 3: 14.  And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; these things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
 
Jesus was the beginning.  He said so himself.  He was the beginning of a new creation of God..that of creating men into the likeness of God = glorified.  In Jesus was the Word.  In the beginning. In Jesus. In Jesus was the Word.
 
Rev. 1: 8.  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
 
Now see that Jesus said he is the beginning?  But this was at the resurrection.  This was the beginning of the New creation of God.  This was second man Adam which was made a quickening  SPIRIT.
 
Now as for the 'FLESH' which the Word was made, it is the very same flesh which he said we must  EAT in order to have life.
 
Now you are assuming this is the human man Jesus, right?  Of course you are.  So then, how are we going to EAT that human flesh?  Tell me that.  How are you going to get a bite of his flesh and eat it.  How are you going to get some of his blood and drink it.  If you think it means the human man which Mary gave birth to, then you must find a way to  EAT THAT HUMAN MAN AND DRINK HIS HUMAN BLOOD.
 
Remember Jesus said God is a  SPIRIT.  HE ALSO DECLARED THAT A SPIRIT HAS NO FLESH, BONES, OR BLOOD.  So that gives us another problem.
 
John 1: 14.  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
 
Now read this read carefully.  Don't just take what that fake church told you it is saying.  It will damn your soul to believe a lie.  Get the truth.  Don't trust anyone to save your soul.  Get this truth for yourself.
 
...The  WORD  was made FLESH.  Now this is the FLESH we must eat to have eternal life.
If it means Jesus' human body flesh, then you must find a way to take a bite of his human body and chew it up and swallow it.  Now that is what he said,  unless you  EAT  MY FLESH , you have no life in you.  Didn't he tell us that?
 
Now, ..we beheld his GLORY, 
Now think about this  GLORY for a bit.
 
Is human flesh GLORY?  Nope, sure is not.
 
He was a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.  He came here is the likeness of sinful  FLESH.  Is that glory?  Nope.
His image was marred more than any man.  Was that  GLORY?  Nope.
 
He came here as a servant.  Isa. 42.  Was that glory?  Nope.
 
When we see him, there is no BEAUTY that we should desire him.  Is that  GLORY?  nope.
 
He was beaten and killed.  Was that  GLORY?  nope.
 
He went into hell.  Was that  GLORY? nope.
 
Is this the Jesus of the Scriptures?  Of course it is.
 
Then what was the  GLORY?  Let the Word tell us.
 
John 17
 1.  These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
 2.  As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

 3.  And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

 4.  I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
 5.  And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
 
Now here Jesus asks the Father, at the time of his crucifixion, to glorify him.  See then that he did not have the glory while here in human flesh.
 
V5-- "glorify me with thine own self with the  GLORY I had with thee before the world was".
So he is asking for the GLORY of his Father to be given to him.  How could this be?
 
Romans 1
 1.  Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
 2.  (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
 3.  Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

 4.  And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
 
Now we are getting to the truth.
 
v1.........the gospel of  GOD,
v3-----concerning  HIS  SON  JESUS  CHRIST OUR Lord.  which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh. 
Now this is his human flesh.  Was this  GLORY?  nope.  If so, why did he pray just before his death, for the Father to glorify Him?
 
v4-- Declared to be the Son of God with power......by the RESURRECTION  FROM THE DEAD.
 
Acts 13: 28.  And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.
 29.  And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.

 30.  But God raised him from the dead:

 31.  And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people.

 32.  And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,

 33.  God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
 ( now this clearly says that the day God beget Jesus as his son was the day he raised him from the dead).

 34.  And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
 35.  Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.  (Jesus was corruptible)
 36.  For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
 37.  But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.  (because God raised him up).
 
v30--God raised Jesus from the dead.
v31--They beheld him many days.
v33--God fulfilled the promise of Psm 2, Thou are my Son, this day have I  BEGOTTEN THEE.  When?  Read the rest of the verse......in that he hath raised up Jesus again. 
 
Now here is your two witnesses in Scripture saying that the day God beget Jesus as his Son was the Day he raised him from the DEAD.
 
If you deny this, then you must call both Peter and Paul a lie, as well as this KJV which says that they told this.
 
Peter declared that God fulfilled Psm. 2, thou are my Son, this day have I begotten you,  in the day God raised up Jesus from the  DEAD.
 
Paul said the same thing in Romans 1:3.
 
Want some more proof?
 
o.k.  Rev. 1: 5.  And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
 
Now again we have Scripture declaring that the day Jesus was  BEGOTTEN was the day he was raised up from the dead.
 
And there are more... for now lets just go back to John 1: 14.
 
..we beheld his  GLORY, as the GLORY of the only  BEGOTTEN of the Father.
 
So when was this glory beheld?  The day of the resurrection.  this is the Day God beget Jesus Christ as His only Begotten Son.  This is the day the curse of human flesh was done away with and the GLORY of glorified flesh given to Jesus.
 
Now notice not one word has been said declaring that the day Jesus was born in a stable was the day God beget him as his Son.  If you think this is the day he was begotten, go find that verse and quote it here as I have done this.  Not one words declares that being born in a stable into human flesh is  GLORY.
 
GLORY ---FIED   FLESH.
 
Now there is your answer.  There is the  FLESH  the WORD was made.  They beheld it many days. We are still beholding it.  We are still  EATING it.  If not there is no life.
 
Now don't just scoff at me--------- get in here and study this.  Read it.  Ask God for understanding and truth.
 
If you refuse this truth, God will send you to hell.  Now you don't need that.  Jesus' first man Adam body is not the FLESH  the Word became. 
 
His WORDS are  SPIRIT....AND THEY ARE LIFE.......HIS WORDS ARE GOD.....HIS WORDS ARE THE FLESH WE MUST EAT...HIS GLORY WAS THE GLORY-FIED  BODY.
 
Immortality is the GLORY.
 
Luke 14: 26.  Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
 
Now this verse proves that Jesus suffered BEFORE he entered into his GLORY.  So it proves he did not have the GLORY before his resurrection.  So the Word and made into FLESH which had  GLORY.  This is the resurrected Son of God.
 
God bless all who read this.  Let their understanding be enlightened.


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From: MSN NicknameSobeit33Sent: 2/26/2004 3:25 AM
 
Chirst, the resurrected Son of God is the only one in the image of God.
 
At the resurrection, when we also receive a glorified body, we will then be in the likeness of the Son of God.
 
We are in the image of SINFUL MAN NOW.   THIS MORTAL, CORRUPTIBLE BODY IS NOT IN THE IMAGE OF GOD OR HIS SON.  WE ARE IN THE IMAGE OF SINFUL MAN.
 
Jesus was not in the image of God while here on earth.  He was only in the image of God at his resurrection.  That corruptible body of Jesus' died and went into hell fire.  Then God brought him out of there, up in the resurrection and into glorification, never to return to corruption or death anymore.  Now he is alive forevermore.  Death hath no more dominion over him.
 
He is the first Son into glory.  What a great day it would be all the Chirstians could come into the same mind of understanding this glorious truth.  The divisions would then roll away and we would be once more in one mind and one accord.  Then the power from on high would come upon us as it did there in that upper room on the Day of Pentecost.

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From: MSN NicknameSearERICSent: 2/26/2004 5:23 PM
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From: joieSent: 2/26/2004 5:29 PM
Hi Eric.  Physically we are all in the image of sinful man.  Spiritually we (true Christians) are in his image.  But someday, at our resurrection we will take on His full image of a glorified body.  What a day, glorious day that will be!

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From: MSN Nickname®Larry_W_B_1©Sent: 2/18/2005 1:36 PM

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From: joieSent: 8/31/2005 6:28 PM
Here is one of the messages explaining John 1:14.  If you care for truth, study this message.

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From: IsaiahSent: 8/31/2005 7:30 PM
Here is also some more on the flesh that joie did.

July 11, 2002

The Word Was Made Flesh

Luke 4:4-------Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

John 6:27---Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

v33---For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

Here we see that ‘meat�?and ‘bread�?in the word are synomous. Jesus said he gives life unto the world. So, that is showing some ‘life�?other than the life we are born with. For we already have that.

V35-And Jesus said I am the bread of life

v50--This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. This makes it look like he means his death; but it means he gave us his words. His words give us eternal life. His death paid the debt for our sins.

V63--It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life.

Study this chapter carefully. It is wonderful.

To the unlearned, it looks like doubletalk, because it is spiritual. First, Jesus said the bread is my flesh you have to eat to live eternally. They get a picture of having to take a bite off his arm etc. Many left him over this, because they did not understand spiritual talk.

Then he says the flesh profiteth nothing. Now it looks like he reversed what he had just said, that his flesh gave them eternal life. And that is nothing???? Woe, here. What is he saying??? Well, let’s look at it.

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the words that I speak are spirit and they are life.

So there, we have it. The WORDS he spoke ----that is spirit-------that is life-------the Word was made flesh---- now it begins to come together... The Word is flesh, but not the body of clay he stood there in. See it??? I hope so. May God help all who read this to receive this great revelation.v53----Except ye EAT the FLESH of the Son of man, and DRINK his blood, ye have no life in you.

Take a bite of his arm????? Take a sip of his blood, out of his arm???? No Noo No!!!

That is what the carnal mind thinks. But he said the WORDS I speak , that is what I am telling you to eat and drink. How do we eat that??? By studying and receiving the engrafted Word. The truth of it.

So this proves it is not talking of the fleshly body of Jesus. When it says the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, it is talking about the same kind of flesh Jesus said here we were to eat and drink. See it does not mean the man that he was, but the Words, the Spirit in him. The Word became flesh=(words we can take into our souls and live=eternal life---not temporal life) We are still to eat the same flesh today that they ate back then. Do we have the man Jesus here, now to take a bite of, if it means his literal body. But see, he made it plain that he spoke of the message he brought to earth. The word of God.

For this is one of the most misunderstood passages in the Book. And the most important one. For unless you get this right all your understanding will be messed up from now on.

The Words I speak are spirit and they are life. Unless ye eat my flesh, you have no life in you. The word was made flesh. But not carnal flesh. Not flesh that could die. This flesh (spirit---word) was eternal life. Can never die. Praise our glorious God and His Son Jesus Christ, our Lord.

Jesus said pray, “give us this day our daily BREAD.. Now, what was he talking about??? Is he saying to pray for food for our bellies???? No. He is speaking of the Words = revelation of God’s Word.

So, we are to receive something fresh out of God’s Word each day. To grow thereby. Grow in grace and KNOWLEDGE of the Word. Without it, there is no growth.

But, back to our original thought. Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeded out the mouth of God. Is he saying as most people think that we are not to live only by our daily food we eat at our table? No, he is saying we will not have eternal merely by the daily portion of Word we receive.. We must finally get to every word. Understand the whole truth.

11Thes.2:10-12----because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie; That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

He that endureth unto the end shall be saved. Receive Word each day till you understand and believe all the truth or else be damned. He that putteth his hand to the plough and looketh back is not fit for the kingdom of God.

I hear so many people who think it does not matter if they see it right or not, ------folks, do not be deceived by this misconception. unless you believe the TRUTH you will BELIEVE A lie and be damned. So it is clear that believing it wrong =(a lie) will damn you. Please, don’t take getting the truth lightly. Your soul depends on it.

That is what Jesus meant “Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

When he said the Word became flesh and dwelt among, it is not talking about the man Christ Jesus; it is saying Mary conceived in her womb, by the Holy Ghost a human person, Jesus made of a woman, made under the law, made of the seed of David, made in all points like unto his brethern, tempted in all points like unto his brethern, but, the Word that was flesh was the words that was spirit the message inside him.

That fleshly man was not that word . The word inside him was. Jesus , the man, had a mind of his own the was subject to sin and be disobedient just as Adam. Just as we do. He could have sinned, he could have disobeyed, he could have failed, but he did not. If he had failed the word of God would have gone back to God, and our creation would have been lost eternally. But, that kinsman redeemer is still a man, a glorified Son in Heaven. He ever lives to make intercession to God for us.

The word ‘FLESH�?has been so misunderstood in the Word of God, that it is causing many to completely miss the true meaning about one of the most important things in all the Word.

This verse, 1Tim.3:16--- is one of those teachings being twisted out of its real meaning by misunderstanding this word ‘flesh�? in it’s Scriptual meaning.

To really understand what is meant by this verse you must first find out what God meant by ‘flesh�? In order to do this, read Romans 8:9----But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you....

Now it said you are not in the FLESH if Christ be in you. So, is this saying you are not in your human body?? No! Of course not! So what does it mean? Remember, you must find Scriptual answers; Scriptual meanings.

John 6:53---Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the FLESH of the Son of man, and DRINK his BLOOD, ye have no life in you.

v54---Whoso eateth my FLESH, and DRINKETH my BLOOD, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day..

v55---For my FLESH is MEAT indeed, and my BLOOD is DRINK indeed.

v56---He that EATETH my FLESH, and drinketh my BLOOD, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

v57---As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that EATETH me, even he shall live by me.

v58---This is that BREAD which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this BREAD shall live forever.

Now, Jesus told them over and over they (we) must EAT his FLESH and DRINK his BLOOD in order to have eternal life. Do you think that flesh is his human body? If so, how are we going to take and eat his human body? How are we going to get some of his blood from his human body and drink it? Unless you do this, you have no life in you.

Now remember Romans 8 said you are NOT in the flesh if Christ is in you. So here the flesh could not be speaking of your human body; for you surely know that you are still in your body; for if you are not in your body, you would be dead.

Look back at v 6---For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

v7---Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

v8---So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Now don’t you see, that this could not mean if you are in your human body, you can not please God? For then, how could anyone ever please God? You would have to die and be out of your human body, if that is what he is speaking of.

But, he said he means a MIND. So, then the FLESH is a MIND; A THOUGHT; A WORD. It can be either a carnal MIND or a spiritual MIND. That is the FLESH he is meaning. The FLESH is A MIND. THE KIND OF MIND, THINKING YOU HAVE.

Now, go to John 1:14---And the Word was made FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

So this grace and truth is a MIND. This FLESH is a MIND; WORD.

Now put all that together. It will clearify what is meant by eating his flesh; it means to understand his Word; to read or hear and understand his Word. His Word is his Flesh he said we must eat. Eat = understand; feed off it; take it into our mind. This gives us a spiritual mind which gives us life. See, to be spiritual minded is life; to be carnal minded is death. So, we must EAT his WORDS (FLESH) to have eternal life.

Now, take that and apply it to 1Tim.3:16-----when it said God was manifest in the FLESH, it does not mean Jesus�?human body; it means the Word that He gave us; this was his flesh we are to eat.

So, he manifest God in the Word. God is the Word. The Word is God. The Word was made FLESH and dwelt among us. That is how he was God with us; it was the Word in him. The Word did not die; for indeed it can not. His Word is forever established in Heaven. In the beginning was the Word; this was NOT the human man, Christ Jesus. It was the FLESH of God = His Word; the spiritual mind.

God sent that spiritual mind, the Word, here in his Son, Jesus. That is what Jesus said we must eat to have life; not his human body.

This is the great mystery. This Word, this mind, this FLESH, was justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Now don’t you see, that if it is speaking of the human body of Jesus, it could not have said it was ‘preached unto the Gentiles�? for Jesus had already gone up to Heaven before the Word was preached to Gentiles. What was PREACHED to the Gentiles? The WORD OF GOD; this is the FLESH; this is the BREAD; this is the SPIRITUAL MIND; this is the LIFE; this is the LIGHT.

Don’t you see that he said this is the BREAD? Bread is food. Meat is food. So, if it is something to eat, then eating must mean something other than what we do at our dinner tables. It is feeding our minds. It is reading, taking into our souls and minds the WORD of God. So, the Word is God, the Word is the FLESH we must eat. This is how God was manifest in the FLESH; IT WAS THE WORD.

If you believe it means the man Jesus, when it said God was manifest in the flesh, then please take that concept, of eating his FLESH and teach it and all these Scriptures in this message. When it said the Word was made FLESH, if you think that means the man Jesus, then please explain to us how we are to eat that flesh. For we must eat it in order to have eternal life.

Now all you people using (or rather misusing) 1Tim.3:16--- to try to say that Jesus was God, please explain how we are not in our flesh if the Spirit of God is in us. How did that take me out of my body? How are we to eat the body of Jesus? You must find the answer to these verses in the ‘light�?of the flesh meaning Jesus�?human body. Or else, you must come to see that this is not what is meant by saying God was manifest in the flesh. Thy Word, oh God, is forever settled in Heaven. Amen

I did a lot of work tonight to bring you these messages. I did it in hopes that the sincere ones who desire to know the truth of the Word will be able to take these short messages and study them as you have the time and get a full understanding of these things. Having all this together should help open it up. Many time, we read some here then some there; and forget what we read before. Therefore it never becomes clear. But with all this organized together, maybe you can see it. At least I hope so.

John 1:1~~~~In the Beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Now a question for you ~~~~~~~~ What is he speaking of here about in the BEGINNING?

What is the BEGINNING? The BEGINNING of What?

Revelation 22:13~ (Jesus speaking)---- I am Alpha and Omege, the BEGINNING and the end, the FIRST and the LAST. There you have it. I am the BEGINNING. In JESUS WAS THE WORD. Beautiful!!!!!!!!! Now isn't it???

Revelation 10:9-10-

9And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

10And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

Jeremiah 15:16-

16Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.

This is the flesh we are supposed to eat. The word, the book.

 

 


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