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From: MSN NicknameSobeit33  (Original Message)Sent: 2/26/2004 4:00 AM

I wish to tell you how I see my beautiful, glorious, wonderful, indescribable God. Now, I am not telling anyone to see this as I do. I am not saying that this is something which I can fully prove, at this time. I am only going by things I have learned in the Word of God; along with things my God has shown me. There are things God puts into my mind; just something I meditate on.

I also know that I am not capable of putting this into words adequate to explain this glory. But, I will do my little human part.

I once, just as everyone else does, thought of God as just 1 being. In my early years, I was taught that God consisted of 3 persons. I thought of them as 3 men; for that is how my Baptist preachers taught it.

Later, I came to believe that Jesus was God and the only one. For a number of years, this was how I thought of God.

Then on day, God spoke to me, not reading, God said to me in clear words, “there is a difference in the Father and the Son; the Father is a greater, more powerful being than the Son.�?/FONT>

I can tell you, this excited me very much; for I KNEW that my God had said this to me. From there, He taught me from His Word, that God is a SPIRIT; and that the Son is a human man. Of course, for years I still thought of Jesus as God. But now, as the Son; not the Father. The Holy Ghost was their spirit given to humans.

As I studied the Word extensivily, this became clearer and clearer to me.

Then on day I was discussing some Scriptual things with a friend. Something, I do not remember what, was said and at that time I felt God’s Spirit come on me; he began to show me something I had never even had the slightest hint of. It was as if God were speaking to me and at the same time taking me into another ‘level�?of understanding. I seemed to be ‘sliding�?into another room; spiritually speaking. I have never experienced anything this way before or since.

It frightened me slightly. For God was showing me that He is an innumerable number of beings; all united in perfect harmony--- a whole Kingdom of beings; yet just ONE God. This word ONE is not being used here to mean the number 1. It is used with the meaning of being united; in harmony; unity.

I almost made myself draw back and refuse this as it came to me. But, it was as if I could not let myself, or He would not let me do this. Afterward, I was so very thankful I did not draw back. The feeling of uplift and glory in the Spirit was indescribable.

I prayed and asked God to show me this in the Word; if it were true and if He truly showed me this. I knew such an experience had to be God. Yet, I never accept anything I can not positively prove in the Word.

He gave me the example I have taught on boards; that in 1Cor.12 and Rom.12 about the body being many members; yet just one body. This along with the fact that Christ is the image of the invisible God proves this to me.

God began to show me things in my mind. I will try to share just a few of them here with you. I do not ask anyone to believe this. That is up to you alone. I just want to tell you about it.

I look at so many, innumerable kinds of flowers. There are so many more than anyone could ever know or see. They are exquisitely beautiful; even the little wild ones. In my mind, I see one member of God saying to the others (now I know this will sound to most of you as if I am saying there are many Gods: but that is not the way I mean this or see it. I see the many members as on great Kingdom; and that Kingdom is God)--It is kind of like so many millions of us are all America. (Of course that is not a good example: for we are so very different and at odds with each other: there they are in perfect unity and harmony. It is the most beautiful thing that could ever be).

Before I am through, if anyone takes the time to read all of this----I hope to show you the greatness and beauty of this.

The Scripture shows that the whole essence of the Love of God, His nature, is this thing of many being in harmony; loving each other with a perfect love. If He himself is ‘out of step�?with this concept, then it would not really be showing His true nature; for Him to want us to be that way.

His whole desire is for us to come together, be united into ONE PERFECT MAN---IN THE LIKENESS OF HIM--IN THE STATUE OF THE MAN CHRIST JESUS.

Paul said for us to believe the same thing, speak the same thing, teach the same thing, etc.

How can we do that if we are divided?

Why would this be so important for us, unless this is how God is? If God is just 1 being; standing all alone and being ‘over�?everyone else, how is this coming into the perfect unity going to place us into His image?

Now back to my ‘visions�?

I look at a lovely flower. I see, in my mind, the day of creation. I see God (one of the members) saying to another one, ‘let’s make some beautiful flowers. You make something beautiful, and I will too.�?/FONT>

Of course there are innumerable numbers of them doing this. (remember, I am only telling you my thoughts; not teaching doctrine)-

Each one makes a lovely flower; then they admire the ones the others made; they are all so happy and kind to each other. No one bickers or complains or puts the other one down or humiliates them or makes fun of the other’s flower. Each one truly loves and appreciates the beauty the other one made.

I saw a mental vision of God sitting and making a lovely insect. When he had finished it, the little thing looked up at his maker, smiled up at God and God smiled down at him. God was completely satisfied with what he had made. The little insect then jumped down and flew away. It was incredible,

Then they all admired and praised the others for the different insects they had all made. They were so very happy.

Then, one decided for them to make grass. There are so many grasses in the world, one could never know or see them all. They are so very different from each other. Each member of the God kingdom, or at least the ones whose job it was  to make grass, worked on making grasses. Finally, they had it all done; they took turns admiring and praising the other’s handi-work.

This was genuine love and happiness; there was not one selfish or jealous one among them. They all loved each other and gloried in the other’s ability and power.

They each set about to make precious metals. One made gold; another made silver; another made bronze, etc.

I know you will think then, that when they decided to make man in their likeness and image, there was only one made; and that this proves there is only 1.

But not so. Adam means the human race. There were many different kinds of people in the Garden of Eden. Many different peoples went out of that Garden. Read Eze. 28-33, and you will see this.

Just look around you at the many different kinds of people; where did they all come from? I know many have made up this or that. But, no one has proved any of it. God made many different kinds of people, because God is a God of variety. That shows His greatness. Take any thing on earth you choose; there are so many different kinds of ‘it�?till no one could ever get to know them all.

Look at the many kinds of fish; butterflies; beans; insects; stars; leaves; trees; flowers; germs; anything you can come up with. This speaks of the diversity and greatness of God.

I know you will think this is distorting God. Maybe to you it would be. But to me, it shows Him so much greater than anything I had ever imagined before coming to this concept of God.

Now, when I think of him, I see something so much greater: I see an innumerable host of beings so loving, kind, not jealous of each other, ( I know God is jealous in that He does not want us worshipping idol gods) but that is for our good; But to see Him as He is, is not idols. God is the only true and living God. These other things are lifeless idols.

They are the perfection of kindness, goodness, love, consideration and harmony. That is their desire for the world of men; to come to their kind of love, kindness, and other good qualities. It would completely do away with trouble, disagreement, fussing, fighting, hating, jealousy of each other. To me, this is the most glorious thing that one could ever wish for.

I have read many articles written by others; on other boards; which spoke of the fact that God is always shown to be in the plural. They did not exactly know why this is true; yet they knew that it is. They thought that it proved a ‘trinity�? But, no. It proves what I am saying: that God is an innumerable number of beings; all united perfectly together.

When Lucifer, one of the anointed churebs, became jealous of God and wanted to rise above God; to set his throne above the throne of God, God cast him out of Heaven. God will not tolerate this kind of thing there; for that would disrupt their glorious, peaceful, happy world of perfect harmony.

I know this is long: but I sincerely hope some of you will take the time to read this. As I said, I am not asking you to believe this; but I hope to explain how and why I believe this. God gave me this. If it is wrong, He will judge me for it. But, I know in my heart that it is true. Everything He has ever told me was true. In Him is no lie.

One could just go on forever bringing out these things; for there is no end to the greatness of their creation. But, You can take it from here and do with whatever you choose. Think on this; it might bless you.

To say that God is 3 beings is to so much ‘belittle�?him, till I can not find adequate words to tell it. It is either as I am saying or the Jesus only people would be right. For I know that my God is not split or diminished to 3 beings.

Paul used the example of the human body to explain this. Notice, he never used the example that most people use: saying that we are a body (1)---a soul (2)---and a spirit(3)---thus showing a trinity. I want someone to give me the verses where that is said in the Word of God.

The Word said, ’think not above that which is written�? This means you cannot teach God’s things unless it is written in the Word.

Paul said as the body is many members, yet one body, so is Christ. He said all the members do not have the same job. He said the eyes do one job; the mouth another job; the ears another job; etc.

People, that is how God is. Many members; each having different jobs to do; but still just one body (kingdom). If not, why did the Word say it this way? Why is the thing of body, soul, spirit not used to explain God?  I do not read that in the Word. I read that as the body is many members, so is Christ. That is how we were made in their image=many members=yet one body. If you can rightly use the human body to explain God (and of course you can; for Paul did)---then it has to be that God is many members; for that is how Paul used the body to explain this.

If you can show different; if you can show the Word using the trinity concept of body, soul, spirit to explain it, then please show me. People have puzzled over the many different names of God in the Word; they have tried every kind of way to explain this; yet I think what I am saying is the true answer. There were three who came to Abraham; they were called Lord. I see examples all through the O.T. of them talking back and forth to each other. Those three did not mean there are only three; a trinity. If so the word would say this. I have never found ‘trinity�?in the Word. I find that they are many members; as is the human body which they made in their image.

God bless you.

Jo



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From: MSN NicknameSobeit33Sent: 2/26/2004 4:17 AM
We do  EVERYTHING  we do in word of deed in the NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.
The reason for this is:
 
we are under the authority, or headship of Jesus.  Jesus is our head.  God is his head.  Showing that God is the authority over Jesus.  This alone proves that Jesus is not as people think he is, = God.  He is under God.
 
He is always subject and obedient to God.  We are to always be subject and obedient to Jesus.  Thus we are obedient to God.  For God put us under His Son Jesus.  So to try to come out from under the authority of Jesus and go straight to God himself, and not go through Jesus, we would be in arrogrant disobedience to God.
 
So, whether we baptize, or pray, or bless or anything else,  we are to do it in the Name of Jesus.
 
And As I read this message again tonight, I saw even more clearly than ever before how true this revelation is.  For As I read that we are to become into the image on  A   MAN.  See it means we are to come into the unity of ONE  MAN.  WE --   ALL - OF US - ARE THE  ONE  PERFECT  MAN.  that  man is the whole of Christians in one body.  A natural body (or kingdom) in the image or likeness of the one kingdom of God, made up of many members, all in perfect unity and love and harmony.
 
If people can declare, as most church people do , that God is made up of three beings, yet those 3 beings are just 1 God;  then if they can believe three are one;  how would it be any trouble to believe that zillions and zillions could be just one?
 
What is the difference?  If 3 can be 1-- then a million can be 1.  Paul said we are ALL   ONE.  Get it! 
Jesus prayed that we would   ALL  --   BE --   ONE --   AS  -- THEY  (HE AND GOD)  ARE  ONE.
 
SO DOES THIS MEAN ALL HUMANS WILL SOMEDAY, (OR NOW)  ALL BE ONE AND THE SAME PERSON?
 
COURSE NOT!