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From: MSN NicknameSobeit33  (Original Message)Sent: 2/27/2004 3:31 AM
John 5: 19.  Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

 20.  For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

 21.  For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

 22.  For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

 23.  That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
 
 If you have the Father you also have the Son -- they are in such unity and faithfulness to each other, they will not let you have one and deny the other.  Read------)
 
John 17:  1.  These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

 2.  As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

 3.  And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
 
(Now people, you better read that and quit listening to false teachings.  This is Jesus' own words saying that  ETERNAL LIFE IT TO KNOW     THEE, THE ONLY TRUE GOD {HE IS SPEAKING TO HIS FATHER HERE}  AND CALLING HIM, THE FATHER, THE ONLY TRUE GOD-  -
AND  JESUS CHRIST,  WHOM THE FATHER SENT)
 
To deny this is to call Jesus and the Word a LIE.  Now if you fear not to call Jesus a lie, and set carnal minded mens' words above Jesus' words, you just go to it;  but I  WILL NOT DO THIS.  I believe what Jesus said.


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 Message 3 of 17 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameSobeit33Sent: 2/27/2004 3:50 AM
Matt. 3: 13.  Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
 14.  But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
 15.  And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

 16.  And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

 17.  And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

v16--Jesus was baptized, and while still standing in the water, the heavens were opened unto him,

and he saw the Spirit of God           DESCENDING   (means coming down)  (now mind you, this Spirit of God is not in Jesus;  nor is Jesus this Spirit- I know the Jesus only doctrine says that Jesus is the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost)  (there is no way this could be true;  Jesus did not Father himself)

But look at this --

The Spirit decended down from Heaven like a dove, and lighting upon him, Jesus.

Now I ask you, did Jesus decend down from Heaven and light upon Jesus?  If so, please explain how this is possible.

but that is not all-- wait!

v17--a voice FROM  HEAVEN, spoke and said,  "THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED"

( do you believe God or not?  God said this is my Son, he did not say this is myself)

Now I ask you, whose voice is this?  How did it come from heaven and Jesus was standing there on earth in the water?

The Spirit is there, lite upon Jesus,  not in Jesus, lite upon Him,  and this voice speaks  FROM HEAVEN.

What was Jesus doing?  How was he decending down from heaven as a bird, = a dove, and lighting upon himself, and then speaking from heaven while he stands in water upon earth?

huh?

And you see that all as Jesus?  Is Jesus a ventriloquist?

I want you to explain your belief of this Scripture.

 
 
   

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From: MSN NicknameSobeit33Sent: 2/27/2004 3:55 AM
 
God is a many-membered KINGDOM.  God is not just 1 being.  Learn.  One means in unity;  It would not be possible if He were only - 1 - .  How can  - 1 - be  in a unity or oneness with only  1?
 
 
Genesis 18
 1.  And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
 2.  And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

 3.  And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
 
Abraham called these men  Lord.   There were three men;  Abraham called them Lord.
All through this chapter  'they' speak to Abraham and he calls 'them' Lord.
 
Now please explain this to me.
( I am not a trinitarian, either.  Both doctrines are false and of Satan).
 
By the way, did you never wonder why there so many NAMES for the LORD?
 
Maybe you should examine this a little further.  How is it that you think God is so inferiour to us?  How is you think His kingdom should consist of just 1 being?  Everything else He made is innumerable.  Why is he any less?
 
How is Christ made up of many members and is the image of God?
Look up the word 'ONE' as you are looking up so much else.  Herein lies the secret and your delusion.
 
 
   

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From: MSN NicknameSobeit33Sent: 2/27/2004 4:10 AM

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. ( see he said he went unto the Father which was greater than himself.

John10:30 I and my Father are one. . . ( Jesus was not stating that him and his Father was one here as the Trinitarians say and as the ONENESS people say. He referred to the unity such as was on the day of Pentecost where they were in one mind and one accord. Jesus prayed that this same unity would become a reality among his followers.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. (see the plural word we there. If Jesus was God so are we because he said let them be one as we are one.)

Jesus lived as God's servant. He yielded perfect obedience to His Father. He always did those things that pleased God. This showed that Jesus recognized God as greater than he.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. ( Jesus received his knowledge from God because he said here that his Father had taught him what to do. Now if this is so how could he be God as the Trinitarians say and the oneness people say? God knows all things, Jesus did not. Boy did I really hit a nail ? To show you this I have scripture to prove it? You ought to know by now that myself or joie does not say what we can not show in the word. Now here is proof.

Mark13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father( See that is the best way to prove anything is by the word and the word said that hour knoweth no man, not even the Son, but only the Father. If the Son was the Father which again he is not, how come Jesus did not knoweth the hour?

God is perfect in knowledge. Jesus had to increase in knowledge.

Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. . ( increase means that he began to grow in the wisdom and knowledge of God as we should. You know a lots of time we say we want to be like Jesus, well let your wisdom and stature increase and that is the way to find favor with God and man.

Jesus said that Son can do nothing of himself, he only does what the Father tells him to do and speaks the things the Father tells him to speak.

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. .

5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. ( see all Jesus wanted done was the will of the Father. He did not seek his own will as you know he said in the garden not my will but thine will be done.

 This is the truth and you need to increase in wisdom of who the Son of God is and who the Father is.

Luke 10: 21. In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, LORD of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

Seperate the flesh and the Spirit. There is carnal , and that is enmity against God, and there is spirit which we have to have the Holy GHost to see and discern Gods word. Jesus spoke plainly to Philip in John 14:9- He that hath seen me, hath seen the father.

But you reject truth so therefore you see him not and won't til you have repented, been bapitzed every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. And that same Spirit comes as it did on the day of pentecost, with evidence of speaking in tongues. IF you don't obey it, woe be unto you. I have presented truth to you, now choose this day whom ye will serve. IN Jesus name

22. All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

The FLesh has to have The SPIRIT. Without Gods spirit we are carnal minded and death is all we have. And you are carnal minded. So Read and obey Gods key, his only plan of salvation in Acts 2:38. IN matthew 16, God revealed himself to Peter, gave him the keys to the kingdom of God. Peter preached that Key on the day of pentecost. WOE BE TO YOU IF YOU DO NOT OBEY IT> IN JESUS NAME.

Acts 4:12- No other name(Jesus) Under heaven whereby man was given that he might be saved.

You are rejecting God when they reject the Word. Did not he say the Word was God? sure he did. It is the Father's own words; so it is him. My words are me; they are my thoughts. So it is with God. 

 
   

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 Message 6 of 17 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameSobeit33Sent: 2/27/2004 4:16 AM
Listen, Both Isaiah and I teach baptism in Jesus Name for the remission of sins more than anyone I know of.  We also teach it is absolutely necessary for salvation, for it is the only way to get sins remitted.
We also teach one must receive the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues as the Spirit give utterance.
 
We have both experienced that.  I speak in tongues almost every day.  I worship God every day and feel his glorious presence with me.  He speaks to me;  He teaches me continually.
 
But the REASON for baptism in the Name of Jesus is NOT that he is God and the only one.  If you would take some time and read even just a little bit here, you would find that we stress this baptism continually to the much dismay of our members here.  We battle this with everyone who comes in here.
 
We teach EXACTLY what Peter and Paul taught.  Nothing more and nothing less.  Word for Word.
No church on earth that I have ever heard of does that.  Not one.
 
1Cor. 11: 3.  But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
 
Now that is the reason for Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ.
We are under the direct headship, or authority of Jesus Christ.
 
We are not under the direct headship of God.  Only Jesus is there.
 
I will tell you this, and I am sure you know it.  The Jesus-only preachers are like most others;  they have only a few choice verses they ever preach which they 'think' teaches their false doctrine.  They never even study the rest of the Word. They never teach the rest of the Word.  They cannot take it.
 
Most church people are not going to study anyway.  They just accept whatever their preacher tells them. They bank on it.  They will send their soul to hell over it.
 
But if you study the Whole Word, you will see they cannot take even a tiny bit of it. Jesus spoke constantly of His Father as ANOTHER being; not as himself.  He said   He  ,  Him,   His,  My Father.    These personal pronouns show a different being other than the one doing the speaking.  That Jesus -only lie makes Jesus' every word sound foolish.
 
God is the HEAD of Christ.  This means God is in authority over Jesus.  Jesus admited that. 
 
Jesus told us by the authority of His Father in Mat. 28:19 to go baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the HG.  Now Jesus is NOT  THE NAME OF THE FATHER OR THE HG.
 
Jesus is only the name of the Son. 
The term  'in the name of'  means under the authority of.
 
In the name of the USA,  means under the authority of the USA.  Do you not know this?
 
That is what is meant here;  not any name for a formular.  It is the authority by which the command is given.
 
Jesus was under the authority of the Father.  So He spoke under the Father's authority.  We do not have that position.
 
For a human person to try to invoke the name of the Father is to usupt the authority of Jesus.  We cannot do that.
 
By baptizing in the Name of Jesus, we acknowledge that we submit to the authority of Jesus.  That is as far as we can or need to go.
 
He interceeds to the Father for us.
JO
 
 
   

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 Message 7 of 17 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 2/27/2004 8:45 PM
If one's beliefs causes them to have to either deny a certain verse, or call it wrong, or say that the Apostles, picked and sent out by Jesus, were in error, this should certainly be a 'wake up' call to them.

The real truth does not cross any verse; does not have to call either one false, mistranslated, or even worse, not belonging. I mean who are we or any other human person who ever lived, to call God's Word a lie or accuse the Apostles of disobeying or not understanding, or to think themselves 'divine' enough to determine that some particular verse does not belong in the Word?

think on this a while.

See then that this alone proves you have something wrong. Isn't it much 'safer' spiritually, to assume that people have not understood, rather than to accuse the early Church of disobeying or to accuse the Word of being wrong somewhere?

I sure think so.

The pure truth takes in every verse and brings it into perfect harmony with all the rest of the Word. I mean after all, it is ALL God's Word, or none of it is. Do you agree? If not, how can you decide which part is of God and which part is not?

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 Message 8 of 17 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 2/27/2004 8:49 PM
Do YOU believe the Written Word? Do You?

Mt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth.

Now this is Jesus' own words (if we can believe the Written Word). He said the power was GIVEN to him. Now do you believe this?

If so, who GAVE all this power to him? ( Now remember this is AFTER his resurrection; so he did not have all power before this time.)

If He were God in flesh, as everyone assumes, why did He not have all power BEFORE THIS TIME?

and why did it have to be GIVEN to him?

Am I to assume that this is also a 'misfit' verse? If so then how many more are there? (See why so many doubt the Word? It is because it has NOT been rightly divided and interpreted by other Scripture. This IS the only safe way.)

Now if another being GAVE all power to Jesus, who is this other being? And how is it that HE had the power to give the power to Jesus?

And now if this other being did indeed GIVE all this power to Jesus, does this mean that HE left himself powerless?

Think on this.

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From: joieSent: 2/27/2004 8:50 PM
OK, let's try again:

Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Now here once again (in another Book; so if Matthew is wrong, maybe John got something right??)

we find that someone other than Jesus is GIVING something to Jesus.

Yep, this is what John said, not me.

It said, As the FATHER hath life in himself, so hath -----HE-----GIVEN------ to the Son --to have-LIFE in himself.

Now that is what the Word says. So the big question --- WHO IS THIS FATHER?

What does it mean, he had LIFE in himself---and had to GIVE the Son to have this LIFE in himself?

I mean after all, isn't this son standing here alive?

Then how and why and who gave to him to have LIFE in himself?

Did He give it to himself? Does that make any sense? No, you know it does not. If he were God, as everyone thinks, then WHY, OR WHY DID HE HAVE TO HAVE THIS GIVEN TO HIM?

So now, maybe those same people who said Matt. 28:19 is not right to be in the Word, maybe they should examine this verse also. According to their 'doctrine' this verse is a misfit also.

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From: joieSent: 2/27/2004 8:52 PM
In the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established---this is a law of God. do you agree with this?

OK then here we go again:

Joh 3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

Now this JOHN. (Maybe they trust JOHN and not Matthew?)

JOHN said the FATHER loveth the Son. Now let's examine this a bit. Is it saying that Jesus loved Jesus? Really?

but then........(here goes this 'giving' business again)-----hath (still speaking of the Father)---GIVEN all things (means same thing as all power).....into his hand.

Now again I ask this question: Who is this FATHER?

Why did he have to GIVE all things into the hands of Jesus? Did not Jesus (as god) already have all things in his hands?

then if he did, why, and by whom was all things given into his hands? Why did it have to be given-- if he already had it?

Who gave it to Him?

Answer with Scripture -----if you can.

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From: joieSent: 2/27/2004 8:53 PM
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Now here it is still speaking of the Father---he hath ---GIVEN---- Jesus authority to execute judgment, because He (Jesus) --IS THE SON OF MAN.

Did this say because he is God? Nope.

Now again the question -- who gave this authority to Jesus?

Why did it have to be ---GIVEN--to him?

Who --GAVE-it to him?

Do you have any Scripture answers?

If he were God, why did this authority have to be GIVEN to him? and by whom?

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 Message 12 of 17 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 2/27/2004 8:54 PM
Joh 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.


Now we are still using John; they did not question the word of JOHN>

(Now I want to ask you all something>>>>> IF Jesus and God are on equal grounds here in Jesus' lifetime ----why is so much Scripture bearing out that the Father GAVE something of power to Jesus? If they are equals, as the trinity lie says, then why would the Father have to GIVE ANY AUTHORITY AND POWER TO JESUS?

Now read that verse above ----- the FATHER once again, GAVE SOMETHING TO THE SON.

The Father GAVE Jesus some works to FINISH.

So who is this Father? Why is it he has to give this to Jesus? What 'works' is it speaking of? Why did Jesus have to FINISH THE FATHER'S WORK?

Was not it finished back in Genesis one? Must not have been ----for here the Word declares that the Father GAVE these works to Jesus to FINISH.

what is this work Jesus must finish? On the cross he cried It is FINISHED.

What? Redeemption for mankind> to make a man in the likeness and glory of God.

Jesus had to FINISH MAKING MAN IN THE LIKENESS AND IMAGE OF GOD.

This happened by the perfect, obedient life of Jesus so that he himself could come forth on the day of his resurrection, the very FIRST MAN IN THE LIKENESS AND GLORIOUS IMAGE OF GOD THE FATHER.

Now Jesus is yet to finish this work by bringing other SONS to GLORY.

Do you wish to be one of these glorified SONS? Then you better get to believing the truth of God's Word and quit listening to men call some of it a lie, to prove their own false doctrine.

Now finish that verse...... the FATHER SENT ME. Did Jesus SEND himself?
If so why did he say someone else sent me? Why not say I came of my own accord?

The FATHER SENT HIM. who is this Father?

Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Now read this verse: The Father himself (who is it)....sent me.......hath borne witness of me.
YOu have not heard his voice (yet Jesus is standing there talking to them)--you have not seen his shape (yet Jesus is standing right there in front of them)


Now is Jesus speaking crazy stuff? Or is there something here you do not understand?

Is this verse also a misfit?

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 Message 13 of 17 in Discussion 
From: tom doleySent: 3/1/2004 6:27 PM
the cermony for baptism is Matt 28: 19
It is the only place that puts you in the water in the very act of being baptized
And you do not use the words I baptize you in the name of Jesus.the words to be used in the very act is in the name of the Father,and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.
When baptism is being preached you preach it in the name of Jesus Christ,for everything that you do should be done in the name of Jesus,but not in the very act of baptism.
If you baptize only in the name of Jesus Christ, all you are doing is going in dry and coming out wet.

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 Message 14 of 17 in Discussion 
From: tom doleySent: 3/1/2004 6:30 PM
The truth may not cross another verse,but it sure puts some of them to rest.

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 Message 15 of 17 in Discussion 
From: joieSent: 3/2/2004 3:58 AM
Now Tom, why didn't Peter tell us that?  and Paul?  He must have been mixed up about all of this.  He rebaptized disciples of JOHN in the name of Jesus Christ.

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From: apostolicministerSent: 3/2/2004 3:39 PM
There is not even one single Scripture saying that Jesus is the name of the Father and the Holy Ghost.  People are just twisting Scripture to say this.
 

Son- Luke 1:31 "shalt call his name Jesus" - JESUS

Father- John 5:43 "I am come in my Father's name" - JESUS

Holy Ghost- John 14:26 "will send in my name" - JESUS

Facts do not undergo a transformation by mere suggestion, and they certainly do not disappear in the presence of unbelief.

After reading a few post here today, I must also add that the beliefs of one person are not discredited by accusation. At the same time, another is never strengthened, or established, by the illogicality of "ifs" and "shoulda, woulda, coulda". In my opinion, such weak attempts are not only ridiculous, but it also reveals a sign of desperation. This lack of reasoning, and real argument, neglects the Word of God. In fact, it is an intentional act by all self appointed teachers for the invention of extra-biblical theories.  


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From: apostolicministerSent: 3/2/2004 3:51 PM
the cermony for baptism is Matt 28: 19
 
HOW DID THE EARLY CHURCH INTERPRET CHRIST'S COMMAND IN MATTHEW 28:19? ACTS 2:38, 8:16, 10:48, and 19:5 are four Biblical refernces that answer this question. If the Biblical record is not enough, please examine the findings of the educated, scholars, and historians.

Britannica Encyclopedia - 11th Edition, Volume 3, page 365 - Baptism was changed from the name of Jesus to words Father, Son & Holy Ghost in 2nd Century.
 
Canney Encyclopedia of Religion - page 53 - The early church baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the second century.
 
Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion - Volume 2 - Christian baptism was administered using the words, "in the name of Jesus." page 377. Baptism was always in the name of Jesus until time of Justin Martyr, page 389
 
Catholic Encyclopedia - Volume 2, page 435 - Here the authors acknowledged that be baptismal formula was changed by their church.
 
Schaff - Herzog Religious Encyclopedia - Volume 1, page 435 - The New Testament knows only the baptism in the name of Jesus.
 
Hastings Dictionary of the Bible - page 88 - It must be acknowledged that the three fold name of Matthew 28:19 does not appear to have been used by the primitive church, but rather in the name of Jesus or Lord Jesus.
  1. The Samaritans. "They were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus' (Acts 8:16).
  2. The Gentiles. "And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord" (Acts 10:48). (The earliest Greek manuscripts that we have say, "In the name of Jesus Christ," as do most versions today.)
  3. The disciples of John (rebaptized). "They were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus" (Acts 19:5).
  4. The Apostles Paul. "Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord" (Acts 22:16).
  5. Moreover, the Epistles contain a number of references or allusions to baptism in Jesus' name. See Romans 6:3-4; I Corinthians 1:13; 6:11; Galatians 3:27 ; Colossians 2:12; James 2:7. The Historical Record
  6. Respected historical sources verify that the early Christian church did not use a threefold baptismal formula but invoked the name of Jesus in baptism well into the second and third centuries.
  7. Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics (1951). II, 384, 389: "The formula used was "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ" or some synonymous phrase; there is no evidence for the use of the trine name�?The earliest form, represented in the Acts, was simple immersion�?in water, the use of the name of the Lord, and the laying on of hands. To these were added, at various times and places which cannot be safely identified, (a) the trine name (Justin)�?
Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible (1962), I 351: "The evidence�?suggests that baptism in early Christianity was administered, not in the threefold name, but 'in the name of Jesus Christ' or 'in the name of the Lord Jesus.'"
 
Otto Heick, A History of Christian Thought (1965), I, 53: "At first baptism was administered in the name of Jesus, but gradually in the name of the Triune God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
 
Hasting's Dictionary of the Bible (1898). I, 241: "[One explanation is that] the original form of words was "into the name of Jesus Christ" or 'the Lord Jesus,' Baptism into the name of the Trinity was a later development."
 
Williston Walker, A History of the Christian Church (1947), page 58: "The trinitarian baptismal formula,,, was displacing the older baptism in the name of Christ."
 
The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge (1957), I, 435: "The New Testament knows only baptism in the name of Jesus�?which still occurs even in the second and third centuries."
 
Canney's Encyclopedia of Religions (1970), page 53: "Persons were baptized at first 'in the name of Jesus Christ' �?or 'in the name of the Lord Jesus'�?Afterwards, with the development of the doctrine of the Trinity, they were baptized 'in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.'"
 
Encyclopedia Biblica (1899), I, 473: "It is natural to conclude that baptism was administered in the earliest times 'in the name of Jesus Christ,' or in that 'of the Lord Jesus.' This view is confirmed by the fact that the earliest forms of the baptismal confession appear to have been single-not triple, as was the later creed."
 
Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th ed. (1920), II 365: "The trinitarian formula and trine immersion were not uniformly used from the beginning�?Bapti[sm] into the name of the Lord [was] the normal formula of the New Testament. In the 3rd century baptism in the name of Christ was still so widespread that Pope Stephen, in opposition to Cyprian of Carthage, declared it to be valid."

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
  • Acts 8:16
    (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
  • Acts 10:48
    And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord.
  • Acts 19:5
    When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
It was the name preached: Acts 9:27
But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.
 
It is the name of power: Acts 16:18
And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.
 
Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
 
It is the name spoken: Acts 9:29
And he spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians: but they went about to slay him.
 
It is the name we gather in: 1 Cor 5:4
In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
 
Matt 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
 
It is the name by which you are justifed: 1 Cor 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
 
We are to do all in that Name: Col 3:17
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
 
The name to use in prayer: James 5:14
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
 
John 14:14
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
 
The name to believe: John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
 
John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
 
It is the name of the Holy Ghost: John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
 
It is the name of the Father: John 5:43
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
 
At the name, EVERYONE will bow: Phil 2:10
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
 
It is the name of His people - doesn't the bride take the name of the bridegroom?
Acts 15:14

Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
 
Acts 15:17
That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
 
It is for His name: Rom 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
 
We thank His name: Heb 13:15
By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
 
Faith in His name: Acts 3:16
And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
 
It is God’s saving name: Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
 
It is the highest name: Philippians 2:9-10
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
 
And with all that, you assume we are not to use that name at baptism?

Rev 2:13
I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name,...
 
Rev 3:8
I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

About Matt 28:19;
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and(kai) of the Son, and(kai) of the Holy Ghost:
STRONGS - 'both' - 2532  kai (kahee); apparently, a primary particle, having a copulative and sometimes also a cumulative force; and, also, even, so then, too, etc.; often used in connection (or composition) with other particles or small words:
KJV-- and, also, both, but, even, for, if, or, so, that, then, therefore, when, yet.
It can be translated as "and" or as "even" (in the sense of "that is" or "which is the same as"). The KJV translates kai as "even" in several other places, including the phrases "God, even the Father" (I Corinthians 15:24; James 3:9) and "God, even our Father" (I Thessalonians 3:13).
 
Now if you insist on 'kai' referring to more than one, please explain the below scriptures;
 
Gal 1:4
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and(kai) our Father: (If more than one, Father is excluded from being God. Note; the NIV & TAB render the passage 'our God and Father'.)
 
Col 2:2
That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and(kai) of the Father, and(kai) of Christ; (If more than one, your holy trinity has become a quintuplet . Note; the NIV translates 'the mystery of God, namely, Christ'. The TAB translates 'God [which is] Christ'.)
 
Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and(kai) our Lord Jesus Christ. (If more than one, we have two Lord's which directly contradicts the scripture teachings. Note; the NIV translates 'Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord'. The TAB translates 'our sole Master and Lord, Jesus Christ'.)
 
At the most, the use of kai in these cases denotes a distinction of roles, manifestations, or names by which man knows God. In at least some cases the use of kai actually identifies Jesus as the same being as God - the same being as the Father.
 
Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both(kai) Lord and Christ.
 
Matt 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
 
Websters dictionary defines "OF" as "belonging to".........in the name belonging to the Father, and belonging to the Son, and belonging to the Holy Ghost. What name belongs to all?
 
  • Son- Luke 1:31 "shalt call his name Jesus" - JESUS
  • Father- John 5:43 "I am come in my Father's name" - JESUS
  • Holy Ghost- John 14:26 "will send in my name" - JESUS
Have you ever compared what Matthew wrote, to that of Luke? When you consider all the scriptures, then you are able to rightly divide.
 
 
Luke 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
How do you preach remission in His name?

 

  • John 20:31 "But these things are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing, ye might have life through his name." - WHEN DOES ONE TAKE ON THE NAME?

  • "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. " - HOW WERE YOU SAVED BY THE NAME?

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