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| | | From: joie (Original Message) | Sent: 7/3/2005 3:40 AM |
| From: joie (Original Message) | Sent: 5/16/2005 9:01 PM | Heb. 9:24 says that Christ entered into heaven, now to appear in the presence of God for us. Now do you believe that Jesus is God? If so, how is it that he went to appear INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD? If he is God, how is he in the presence of himself? Why would he have to enter into heaven to appear in the presence of God? Was He in His own presence on earth? Is it correct to say one enters into the presence of his own self? [I think not.] Anyone here have an anwer? | |
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| | | From: Mateo | Sent: 7/13/2005 7:09 AM |
I gave you plenty of scriptures but apparently you dont have spiritual discernment to see them..in any case i will give you some more,but really its becoming apparent that your heart is hardened against the truth and i feel like im wasting my time..I may have to move on to more fertile ground soon..however Gods word will not return void and by his grace i will continue.....Jesus received Gods Spirit at conception..thats why Jesus called God his Father..because God was his Father..and God is a Spirit!!..Phill.2:5-7 says..Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus..Who,being in the FORM OF GOD,thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD,but made himself of no reputation,and took upon him the form of a servant,and was MADE in the likeness of men....Rev.1:8..Jesus said..I am Alpha and Omega,the beginning and the ending,which is,and which was,and which is to come,the ALMIGHTY..When Thomas acknowledged who Jesus was,he said..MY LORD,and MY GOD..and Jesus didnt rebuke him because it was true....2nd Cor.5:19 ...To wit that GOD WAS IN CHRIST reconciling the world onto HIMSELF....now Eph.4:5 says there is only one LORD..when Paul was struck down on the road to damascas he cried,Who art thou Lord?..And the Lord said,I AM JESUS....Deut.6:4..Hear O Israel: The Lord our God is ONE LORD...I have many more |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 7/13/2005 7:38 PM |
| From: Mateo | Sent: 7/13/2005 2:09 AM | | I gave you plenty of scriptures but apparently you dont have spiritual discernment to see them..in any case i will give you some more,but really its becoming apparent that your heart is hardened against the truth and i feel like im wasting my time..I may have to move on to more fertile ground soon..however Gods word will not return void and by his grace i will continue.....Jesus received Gods Spirit at conception..thats why Jesus called God his Father..because God was his Father..and God is a Spirit!!..Phill.2:5-7 says..Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus..Who,being in the FORM OF GOD,thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD,but made himself of no reputation,and took upon him the form of a servant,and was MADE in the likeness of men....Rev.1:8..Jesus said..I am Alpha and Omega,the beginning and the ending,which is,and which was,and which is to come,the ALMIGHTY..When Thomas acknowledged who Jesus was,he said..MY LORD,and MY GOD..and Jesus didnt rebuke him because it was true....2nd Cor.5:19 ...To wit that GOD WAS IN CHRIST reconciling the world onto HIMSELF....now Eph.4:5 says there is only one LORD..when Paul was struck down on the road to damascas he cried,Who art thou Lord?..And the Lord said,I AM JESUS....Deut.6:4..Hear O Israel: The Lord our God is ONE LORD...I have many more
Now, Mateo, you are the one who is unable and unwilling to allow the truth to enter into your blinded heart. No, you have not given one single scripture saying that Jesus was God in flesh. You have given no scripture saying that Jesus was both God and man, for it is simply not in the Word. It is a lie of Satan. Now, you need to learn that the word ......Lord..is not the same word as LORD. You need to learn that Thomas only called Jesus MY Lord and My God, and that AFTER his resurrection into glorification. Now at the glorification, at the time of his resurrection, is the first time Jesus was in the form of God. Before that, he was in the image, or form of SINFUL MAN. Romans 8. Now when Jesus was made in the form of God, and made equal with God was after Jesus was resurrected and ascended into Heaven. There God transfered all the same power and authority of God into the hands of Jesus, thus making him the same as the Almighty. God had no beginning or ending. Jesus was not God. The beginning is speaking of the beginning of the new world, Grace. The ending is speaking of the ending of the old world, law. God is not the beginning or ending. Jesus is. You will never know truth for you have none of these truths, you are not on the true foundation, upon which all other truth depends. No Scripture says that Jesus was given the Spirit of God at conception. You made that up, or rather quote someone else, who made it up. No, The Word declares that Jesus received the Spirit when John Baptized him. Now if Jesus had been God, then it would not be correct to say God was in him. Sure God was in him, but he is also in me. Now you need to learn who the SERVANT of God is--spoken of in Isa 42 and many other verses. It was Jesus. Jesus came as a servant to God. He did not come as God. Jesus was elevated to the status of being our God, by God himself. Heb. one/ Now you need to learn that the word ONE is not referring to numbers, or how many. Have you ever one time taken the time to study? to look up the meaning of the Word One? I doubt it. You have never dealt with the verse saying WE ARE ALL ONE. Now until you can deal with this, you need to go study, not try to teach. Joie | |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 7/13/2005 7:50 PM |
Mateo, I have answered every question or verse you have brought up, and answered it with Scripture and truth which matches every other verse in the word. Now you have answered none of my verses or questions. That alone ought to tell you something. One thing for sure, you and none of the other Jesus-only folks are studying the Word of God seeking truth. You are only trying to convince others of your false doctrine. Know that God will hold everyone accountable for every soul they deceive with lies. It is a dangerous thing to teach lies against God's truth. this not a light matter. So you had better start seeking for God to reveal His true word to you. When you have no scriptural answers for the questions I bring up, it ought to show you that something in your belief is not lined up with the Written Word of God. God said, Let US make man in OUR image and after OUR likeness, didn't he? Now is not the word US plural? Is not the word OUR plural? sure it is. So is there only 1 being involved in the kingdom of God? If so, who was God speaking to? Who was Jesus calling, MY GOD? Jo |
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Eph.4:5 says there is only one LORD. (Mateo):
Mateo, Eph.4:5 says: | Ephesians 4 | - 4:5
- One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
- One Lord not LORD as you have stated. There is a difference in Lord spelled with a capitol L and a a small ord and LORD spelled with all capitols. Lord is talking about Jesus and LORD is talking about God.
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- I also would like to know why you left the following scripture off. Which proves that besides the one Lord there is One God and Father. I have norice that the Jesus onlies leave the scripture out below to try and prove their doctrine. Why did you not add the below scripture?
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- One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 7/13/2005 8:11 PM |
Any of you who contend that Jesus is or was God, please give me just ONE verse where anyone in Scripture every said, I believe that you [Jesus] are God. Show me one verse where Jesus ever said, I am God. Surely if it is true, someone in the Word would have stated this. Now I am not including where Thomas called him MY Lord and MY God. There is a big difference. If Jesus is or was God, the Word will say this somewhere. the only one who ever called him God is God himself, in Heb. one, where God made Jesus to be one with the God kingdom, and set Jesus on the throne of God to rule as God. .......but this is still not saying that Jesus himself is or was God......he was only made to be our god. Jo |
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Jo, please forgive me for adding my 2 cents, but I could not resist. It appears to me that you have answered your own question [IS HE GOD ?], by going back to Genesis, and asking who was the Creator speaking to when He said let us ? Sweetie you are on your way to some profound understanding, I will not interfere with your journey for it is far better that the Holy Spirit within you reveals Himself to you.
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 7/14/2005 11:25 PM |
Now, Eric, you do not have a clue as to what My precious God has already revealed to me by His Word and His Spirit. I can assure you it is not what you think. God has been revealing his truth to me for many, many years. It gets sweeter and deeper all the time. Now when you all can find the true answer as to why God is spoken of in the PLURAL, you will be way on down that glory road. God is a MANY MEMBERED KINGDOM. God is NOT one person, nor one spirit. Jesus is not one of them. He is there only by inheritance. It matters not what any of you say, trying to discredit the glory God has given to me, You cannot take any of it away. My questions are all designed to help people see they are not able to answer them, so they need to seek for truth. Love to ye, Jo  |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 7/17/2005 1:41 AM |
The Israelites came up to the very border of Cannan, looked over into it, saw the beauty and the blessings, but turned and walked away in UNBELIEF. Thus they failed to make it into Cannan. They looked right over into the promised land, turned and walked away from it in unbelief! Many, many people have come in here, Build on the True Foundation, looked over into the promised land of true revelation, and turned and walked away in unbelief, to wander around in a wilderness of confusion for the rest of their lives! What a shame! Many folks who are deceived by law, Sabbath Keeping and such, have come in here and seen the truth of Grace taught, but they turned and walked away into the darkness and blindness of law, to wander around in confusion the rest of their lives. Many trinity folks have come in here and seen the absolute proof that this is a false teaching, with not one word of its teaching written in the Word of God. But they also turned and walked away into the darkness and blindness of lies and confusion. They reject the Word of God for the lies of Satan. Also many jesus-only folks have come in there and seen the full proof that their teaching is anti-christ and has not one single Scriptural proof in it. They have seen that there is no way Jesus could be his own father, yet they turn and walk away after the lies of Satan. I asked them questions which, if they tried to answer, would prove beyond a doubt that they are holding to false teachings. Yet instead of seeking the real truth, they turn and walk away into the night of false doctrine. They will all wander around in their wilderness of confusion until they lose their souls in hell fire, for full well they reject the Word of God for lies. What a shame! JO |
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Another Good Message for Everyone to read. Tweety |
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| | From:  epe1129 | Sent: 12/7/2007 6:12 AM |
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Is God not omnipresent ? Everywhere at
once?
Ps 65:2 " O thou that hearest prayer, unto
thee shall all flesh come."
As an example, Christ came to God.
" Behold what manner of love the Father hath
bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world
knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it
doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know, when he shall appear, we
shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
And every man that hath this hope in him
purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Whosoever commiteth sin transgresseth also
the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
And ye know that he was manifested to take
away our sins; and in him is no sin. " 1 Jn 3:1-5
Who was manifested in the flesh, God??? Who is the
subject of the chapter ? God ???
" And what agreement hath the temple of God with
idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell
in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my
people." 2 Co. 6: 16
" For there is one God, and one mediator between
God and men, the man Christ Jesus." 1 Tim. 2:5
There is an interjection between the commas.
So, there is one God the man Christ Jesus??
" And without controversy great is the mystery of
godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of
angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into
glory. " 1 Tim.3:16
" ... a
body thou hast prepared me." He. 10:5; Ps 40:6-8
" God is a spirit..." Jn4:24
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh
profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are
life." Jn 6:63
We are BODY, SOUL, SPIRIT. Just as is Christ, God.
The Father is the Soul, Son is the Body, Holy Ghost/ Holy Spirit. Soul is the
mind,will, and emotions. The thought pattern of God. The Body is the vessel of
dwelling for the spirit and soul. The Spirit is the breath of life. No
???
Is it then possible that the Spirit of God dwelt in
a vessel that He Himself made?
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" For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." 1 Tim. 2:5 There is an interjection between the commas. So, there is one God the man Christ Jesus?? " And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. " 1 Tim.3:16 " ... a body thou hast prepared me." He. 10:5; Ps 40:6-8 " God is a spirit..." Jn4:24 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life." Jn 6:63 We are BODY, SOUL, SPIRIT. Just as is Christ, God. The Father is the Soul, Son is the Body, Holy Ghost/ Holy Spirit. Soul is the mind,will, and emotions. The thought pattern of God. The Body is the vessel of dwelling for the spirit and soul. The Spirit is the breath of life. No ??? Is it then possible that the Spirit of God dwelt in a vessel that He Himself made? epe
No. The Word of God does not teach what you said. It is your own misinterpreting God's Word. Have you studied and prayed and asked God for HIS TRUTH? It is a dangerous thing to tamper with the Truth of God, as you did in this post. I say not these things to put you down, but rather to stirr up your mind to seek for God's truth. Stop trying to prove man's false teachings and seek the truth which is written in Scripture. STOP CHANGING IT TO SUIT MAN'S FALSE TEACHINGS. You said: " For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." 1 Tim. 2:5 There is an interjection between the commas. So, there is one God the man Christ Jesus?? Now that is mishandling the Word of God if I ever saw it! IF that little word AND had not been between the opening statement, of 'there is one God, and the man Christ Jesus, then you might have had a little something to question. but NO. It most definitely is NOT stating that Jesus is the one God. (in so saying, you are denying the true God, the Father of Jesus)--No Scripture teaches this. How can all of you people continue to believe this totally false statement, that a human man, who died and went into hellfire, could possibly be God? The eternal Spirit which had no beginning of days or ENDING of days. Jesus himself said, The things concerning me hath an END. Why is it none of you EVER bring this up for enlightenment? I say it is because Jesus told the truth about you, You love your darkness and hate the light. anyone who could read the above verse and change it around as you did will do anything to uphold a false teaching. And I do not mean to offend you and run you out of here. I hope you do not do as thousands of others have, run off because you cannnot deal with truth. But I am obligated to my God to teach and correct as He has taught me to do. Your eternal life depends on it. No one is going to be given eternal, glorified life, who calls God's word a lie. I mean by changing it to say something totally different from what it does say. That verse tells us that there is ONE God, and that there is one MEDIATOR BETWEEN God and men, and that mediator is the man, (get that, still a MAN in heaven)..Christ Jesus. Sure, God was manifest in flesh. But that flesh is NOT the human body of Jesus Christ. It was the WORDS HE TAUGHT US AND THEY DID THE WORKS OF GOD. (flesh means something to EAT.) So did the words of Peter and Paul, after Pentecost. They also manifested God in flesh. Why do the millions of 'christian' folks cleave to these lies of Satan and reject the Truth of God? I say it is because you are married to Satan and cannot turn him loose. God was NOT in the baby Jesus. (I am not saying that God was not with him; he was also with me)-- You can scream it from now to doomsday, it will never be truth, for it is not written in Scripture. Jesus did not receive the Spirit of God, the Holy Ghost, UNTIL HE WAS 30 YEARS OLD, WHEN JOHN BAPTIZED HIM. If he had the Holy Ghost in him, at age 20, 10, and birth, why did he receive it at age 30? How many did he receive? A child could understand this, IF HE IS NOT INDOCTRINATED WITH THE LIES OF SATAN. This is nothing but the walls of BABYLON. This is the first morning this whole week I have had at home, and I rose early to say some things to this site. God was speaking to me before I arose. My flesh wanted to stay in bed, but my spirit is stirred at the blindness of the people. May God help some of you to get willing to open your blinded eyes and let some light of God into your souls. Stop changing the Word of God to keep your own eyes darkened with lies. Jo |
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The Word of God does not teach it as you did.....saying we are body, soul, and spirit. rather, Paul said the body is MANY MEMBERS....eyes, nose...mouth...arms....legs....cells, by the millions, etc. One body, but MANY MEMBERS. He said so is Christ, who is the IMAGE of GOD. Now why do you ALL ignore this scripture. It is romans 12 and 1Cor. 12. |
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How many members are there in Christ. the body of Christ.....the Church of the living God? How many? just 1? so is the God whose image we (all together) bear. No one human person is the image of God. we are all in the image of the EARTHLY. |
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| | | From: epe1129 | Sent: 12/19/2007 5:44 AM |
FREEBORN,
I did not tamper with the Word of God, as you
put it, rather I was asking a few questions. Notice the ??? question
marks?
Not trying to prove man's ' false teachings'
either, just asking questions about what I have been reading.
I've been taught that these are ' truth' and want
to know if it is so!!! I need to hear any refutations anyone may have.I am also
not trying to ' change it to suit man's false teachings ' Jo, just
asking!
In English, a statement BETWEEN two commas,
is usually and interjected thought. So, again, is this an interjecteion and if
so then does it not say that Jesus is God???
The word ' and ' is AFTER the comma sayin in
essence " For there is one God the man Christ Jesus." No? Look Jo, if
Christ is not God come in the flesh, I'd love to know. You FALSELY accuse me of
LOVING DARKNESS RATHER THAN LIGHT!!! I LOVE the TRUTH, which is JESUS CHRIST. He
promised to shew me all truth, and if I got the teaching wrong, I am willing to
change my doctrines to walk in the Light ( 1 Jn 1:7 )
I have no intention of leaving BOTTF Jo,
unless you outright teach Blasphemy!!! I am not a quitter, I'm a fighter!!! I
satnd against your remarks falsely accusing me of reading " the above verse and
changing it around " being willing to " do anything to uphold a false teaching.
" SHAME on you for even asserting such a thought Jo.
Can't a guy just ask some questions, and put
forth Scripture for them, without being accused of propagating and being
' willingly ignorant ' of truth? If not, there is no point in writing.
Look, I HATE DARKNESS< LOVE THE LIGHT< AND WANT TRUTH. What more could a
guy want?
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Hi epe, I am very glad you came back and explained your position. I am very sorry that I misunderstood. See, I have to deal with so many people, all the time, who just outright slaughter the Word of God because of their blindness. so this causes me to be over defensive of the truth at times. At times I am just plain worn out with the battle, so I tend then to be short or misunderstand. I see it so much that I just expect it, I guess. Now If you are truly willing to allow God to show you His truth, and desire His Truth, above all else, then God will show you. And if you have this attitude, please allow me to show you the truth of that Scripture and the true English lay out of this sentence. 1Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; If the explanatory phrase, 'the man Christ Jesus' had followed, 'there is one God', then yes, you would have been right. But see, it does NOT follow that phrase. It followers the phrase, 'and one mediator'. So the explanatory phrase is an adjective phrase, explaining, 'the one mediator'. It is not explaining the phrase, 'one God'. If it were, it would have had to follow that phrase. But since it followers the phrase, 'and one mediator between God and men', then it has to be explaining the mediator, not the God. Now this is the pure truth and it is the only explanation which fits all other Scripture. It does not fit any of man's teachings, because they are teaching lies. It is also the only explanation which fits correct English grammar. One God AND one mediator, equals two different entities being spoken of here. There is no other way to discern this sentence without destroying the true meaning. |
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