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From: joie  (Original Message)Sent: 7/5/2005 10:02 PM
From: joie Sent: 4/22/2004 5:48 PM
 
 
 
Now you all need to see this forever.......... the Only Begotten Son of God was NOT THE HUMAN BABY BORN TO MARY.
 
That was the son of David.  That was the son of man.  That was not  ANY DUAL NATURED PERSON.  That was not any diety.
Diety mostly refers to idols. not the true God. This man had to obey God perfectly, and pass this testing time, same as us, in order to become the only Begotten Son of God the day of his resurrection.  If he had failed, if he had sinned, he would have been lost same as Adam.  He would NOT have become the only begotten Son of God.  Creation would have all been lost.
 
God would have discarded Jesus and all mankind.  That is how he is our Saviour.  God is also our Saviour in that He permitted all of this to happen to save us.
 
But if Jesus had failed, and he could have, then all would have been lost.  Jesus was NOT BOUND TO LIFE A PERFECT, SINLESS LIFE DUE TO THE FACT OF BEING GOD.  This is a lie of Satan.  Jesus was a human person the very same way as we all are.  Else, the test would have been of no value.  God cannot sin.  Jesus could have sinned.
 
You people are missing the entire escense of who, what , and how glorious Jesus actually was BY trying to make him God.  It would have meant NOTHING .......his not sinning....if he were God........
 
It means everything because, a human being,,,,,,made in ALL points like unto us........still being tempted as us........did not ever sin.
 
You only-people do such dicredit to Jesus by trying to make him be God, therefore NOT SUBJECT TO SIN.   Such a hideous lie.
 
The day God BEGET HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON WAS THE DAY OF THE RESURRECTION.
 
 Romans. 1:1-4.  He was BEGOTTEN THE SON OF GOD THE DAY OF HIS RESURRECTION.
 
God did not beget the human man, Jesus.  God beget the risen Son in His own likeness and glory.  Peter agrees with this in Acts 13 and quote Psm. 2 which also ways the same thing.
 
The man who died on that cross was not the only begotten son of God.  The risen Christ was this begotten Son.
 
Jesus born to Mary was God's servant.
 
JO


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From: joieSent: 7/5/2005 10:18 PM
If Jesus is his own Father, it makes not one bit of sense how he continually speaks of His Father.  It is very clear that he is not speaking of himself and calling himself his own father.
 
Both His Father and He are our saviour because His father sent his son here to die for us.  Thus both are our saviour.  Jesus is never one time said to be God.  Sure I showed you how God  set Jesus up to be worshipped as God with the God kingdom.
 
The Word is not Jesus.  The word spoke through Jesus most of the time.  Jesus had the Word inside himself.  There is one God AND one mediator BETWEEN GOD AND MEN -----THE----MAN-CHRIST Jesus.
 
Now deal with that one for a change.   If you do not desire truth, you will die in your lies and be lost.  Lies is the sand the house which fell was built upon.  You are on a false, sand foundation.  It does not match what Peter confessed to believing and which Jesus said is the true foundation.
 
Now if you do not wish to build on the true foundation, your spiritual house will crumble and fall.  So will everyone else's house which is build on these lies.
 
Jesus Christ bore the Son of God which is the EMMANUEL, not Mary.  Emmanuel is Christ.  Christ is a total DIFFERENT generation from Jesus.
 
Count the generations from Abraham to Christ and you will find that Jesus is generation 41, while Christ [Emmanuel] is generation 42.  Now what do you make of that?  How do you get around this?
 
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameSearERICSent: 7/6/2005 3:42 AM
The Messiah is the Father, Word & Holy Spirit !
You need to learn how He manifest.
Even in you.
 
Peace

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