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| | | From: joie (Original Message) | Sent: 7/9/2005 4:42 AM |
Matthew, on this thread, let's take just one thought at a time and examine it in full light of the Word. Open your heart and let God speak. Let the Word say what it is truly saying. Anyone else who wishes to, may also join in on this study. In fact, I wish everyone of you would join in. Truth is all that matters. Now here is my first question: | And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord; |
This is when Jesus was eight days old. They brought him to the temple to PRESENT HIM TO THE LORD. Now my question: If Jesus, this tiny baby, were God, the Lord, why are they bringing him to the temple to PRESENT him to the Lord? If he is the Lord, how is it they are presenting him TO the Lord? Why would they have had to bring him to the temple to present him to the Lord? Would not he have been with the Lord all the time, and everywhere, seeing he is the lord? Joie [please answer all questions with Scripture, not your thoughts or some other man's thoughts.] |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 7/27/2005 3:39 AM |
Littleflock, and any others who wish truth, take the time to study my messages, The wicked one and the Mystery one. If that does not prove to you that Adam is the one spoken of In Eze. 28 and Isa. 14, then all I can say is you desire lies over truth. Now when you can take Scripture and show me where God cast someone other than ADAM out of that garden for his evil, then, and only then, will I say I could be wrong. But until you take the word and show me who God cast out for his wickedness, then you must go by the Written Word that God cast ADAM out of that garden for his wickedness. God told the one he spoke to in Eze. 28, I will cast him out for his wickedness. He cast out the man, ADAM. I am standing on solid ground. all of you ,,,,,,,,,think of this.........of all the men, ministers, preachers, etc. that you have followed, listened to, studied under, etc. WHAT DID THEY REALLY TEACH YOU? WHAT DID YOU REALLY LEARN? HOW DID THEY OPEN YOUR UNDERSTANDING? WHAT DO YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND IN LIGHT OF THE WRITTEN WORD? Examine your faith in line with the Written Word. If you think you have truth, and understanding, go answer the questions I gave you on 'something from littleflock'. go show me some scriptrure for all that mess you stated. Not one word of it is written in the Word. So where did you get it? Who taught you such stuff? If it is not written in the Word it is lies. So if your teachers did not open your understanding and teach you real truth, what kind of ministers were they? I say they were wolves in sheep clothing, out to get all the money and worldly goodies they could. DUST IS THE SERPENT'S MEAT! |
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Where is the Holy Ghost , for Jesus to send Him ?
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Eric, The Lord Is Jesus Christ. Why are you having such a hard time with this?
I truly believe it is because you are running after a FAKE lord.
If you would turn to and accept the true Jesus of the Scripture, stop fighting the true plan of salvation, then you would find the true Lord.
Unless Jesus Christ is LORD of your life, you will never have eternal life. It is not in church.
It is not in church-going.
It is not is self or made up stuff.
It is in obeying the KJV Scriptures and the true plan of salvation and the true Jesus.
Start reading the KJV and you will find truth; that is if you will believe what it says, instead of listening to false mess carnal minded people have drumned up. there is no LIFE in those things. Life comes only from the Holy Ghost which Jesus sends to all who obey him.
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Jo, lord means what ? In John 10, the Messiah is talking about angels ? Jo, you understand english, what angels was Yahshua speaking to in John, would it even make sense to call angels Elohim, what Law was the angels under, that pertain to man [Jews] ? Jo, I believe at best, that you are confused over the meaning of what is said in John 10: 34-38, was the Messiah addressing angels in this chapter ?
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Jo, I am going to try some common sense here. In Genesis, Adam and Eve were duped, is that correct ?
Satan called Yahweh a liar, when he said no the fruit will not kill you, one would have to say, he that called Yahweh a liar, is the wicked one. That is all I have to say at this time. Please give it some thought, before you speak again.
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 7/28/2005 6:29 PM |
Eric, I have studied this many years. I have given it MUCH thought. God teaches me His truth. Now all of you can fight and deny the truth all you wish, but in the end it will cost you eternal life. Yes, the WICKED One called GOD a lie. BUT.......THAT WICKED ONE...WAS ADAM. I have SOLIDLY proven this with the Word of God. Now it is YOUR turn. Prove what YOU say with written Scripture. Show with the word what the origin of your version of satan is. Give us the account of where he came from, where he is now, prove someone other than Adam spoke to Eve. Prove with Scripture where Adam is EVER accredited with any righteousness or repentance. It is not there. Go to Eze. 28. Then prove with the Word of God WHO God drove out of that Garden of God EXCEPT ADAM. God told this wicked anointed cherub, that he would drive him out for his WICKEDNESS. There is not record of anyone, other than ADAM, being driven out. Prove where Satan brings death. The Word says in ADAM all die. You are fighting God's truth. Jesus is sitting on God's throne, ruling from the Heavens. His presence abides here with us, for he was GIVEN the same power as God has. If God can be in Heaven, yet his very presence be here with us, in us, all around us, then so CAN OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST. Again, If you would study the true Word of God, you could see some of this great truth. But you refuse, for you follow false doctrine and a false god and a false saviour. Listen, the word, god,...... spelled with a small g does not pertain to God. It was angels. I have a message already written proving this. But due to the death in my family, I do not have time right now to find it. I know by past experience, it would do no good anyway. You people never study a single message I write; if you did, you would not be in such darkness and confusion. But you all love the darkness and confusion, for you hate the true Word of God, the True God, and his true Son. I have SPOKEN. Jo |
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Jo, you are so confused, over the WORD, you are mixing apples with oranges, and nothing you have said will cost me my eternal life, trust me on this, my eternal life is assured, from the name of our Creator, to His purpose and plan for salvation, I am in good shape thank you. Now sweetie, you have convinced yourself over your interpretation of the written word, and some of your correlations are correct, I tell you [as I have before] that without a vision and revelation, only give by Yahweh-Elohim, you just do not know. I like my food hot, I need to be able to eat everything on my plate, not just a little truth here and there. You always ask for scriptures, yet you deny them, or twist them to suit your previous belief, and the more people champion you on, the harder it will be for you to stop and learn, that is why you know I love you, for from the very beginning, I have told you the truth, by the Grace of Yahweh, I am not 2 faced, and I have admitted when I
was wrong, but all this sword stuff, has no weight, if you cannot get the Garden correct, Adam and Eve were not Satan, the serpent is Satan, Cain through his disobedience had intercourse with Satan, and all of his children have intercourse with Satan the same way, through their disobedience, if one sees the error of his ways before it is too late for them, than all they need do is confess and not sin anymore, this Satan cannot do, for he is stuck in his own importance.
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 7/29/2005 7:44 PM |
Eric........'the more people champion me on????????'. Who? When have you EVER seen anyone champion me on???? I most certainly have never seen it. You know almost everyone fights me and tries to discredit my understanding as you are doing right now. [Larry is the only person who agrees with me]. But know what? The truth I teach matches all of the Scriptures, not some parts and denies other parts, as every other doctrine I have ever heard does. You call God by a name which is NOT written in the Word of God. So how can you prove it true? It is a name for Satan; for all things being taught which are NOT written in the Scripture are lies of Satan. So this name you use is Satan's name. Now I have NEVER said that Adam AND EVE were satan. I said Adam and Cain are. And they are. No one has come forth yet with any proof of anyone OTHER THAN ADAM, being CAST OUT OF THAT GARDEN BY GOD. |Now if you are so sure Adam is NOT the one, I have challenged you to bring forth the name of the one God cast out of the Garden for his wickedness~ You cannot do this, for there is no one else. Adam is the SERPENT. The hypocrite pharisees are serpents. Serpent means a hypocrite. Adam was the first hypocrite. He STILL, to this day, has folks champanging for his righteousness, when the Word of God shows he has not one righteous thing said about him by God. Adam is the dragon, the serpent, the old devil, Satan. And your trying to discredit the Knowledge God has given me will NEVER CHANGE IT. This truth will stare you all in the face at the judgment. You have no salvation apart from obeying ACTS 2:38. Jo |
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| | From:  Isaiah· | Sent: 7/29/2005 8:02 PM |
Adam is the dragon, the serpent, the old devil, Satan. And your trying to discredit the Knowledge God has given me will NEVER CHANGE IT. This truth will stare you all in the face at the judgment. You have no salvation apart from obeying ACTS 2:38. Jo
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Genesis 3 : 13 And the Elohim said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done ? And the woman said, THE SERPENT WHOM BEGUILED ME, AND I DID EAT. Jo, Eve did not say, Adam beguiled me, the serpent [Satan] did, not Adam woman. I strongly urge you to re-read Genesis 3 in it's entirety, for no where in Genesis will you find what you claim as true, you beining a person of the written word, will see for yourself, there is not a leg to stand on, accusing our Earthly Father of
Satanism. I urge you with all the love I have for you to cease and desist from these false accusations, for your own sake. [And you know that I love you] __________________________________________________
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 8/1/2005 1:59 AM |
For goodness sakes, Eric. Grow up in understanding!! When you call Jesus, SAVIOUR, is this denying that Jesus is Jesus? Is it denying that Jesus is our Saviour? or that he is Jesus? When you call him a lion, does this mean he is no longer Jesus? When you call a child of God a sheep, does this mean we are no longer people? When we call Jesus a lamb, does this mean he is not Jesus? Where Jesus called us wheat or corn, did this mean we are no longer people? Are we truly sheep? or corn? When Jesus is called a healer, or physician, does this mean he is no longer Jesus? It is the very same thing that God has now called Adam by his nature, SERPENT, which means a HYPOCRITE! I will NEVER change this teaching, for I know God revealed it to me, and it fits all the Word of God. I have news for you..........that earthly father is your enemy. As in ADAM all DIE. By one MAN, ADAM, sin and death entered this world. This is exactly why we must crucify this OUTER MAN, ADAM, in order to have life. We must live after the inner MAN, JESUS, the Holy Ghost. Jesus was called Lord, because he is now our Lord. This does NOT take away the fact that he is still Jesus. Adam is the serpent, the wicked one, but this does not take away the fact that he is still ADAM. Cain was of that wicked one.........adam.....was his father. You are the one who needs to go study Genesis with an open and seeking mind. I have been doing it for many, many years. I am very sure of what God has given to me on this subject. I do not teach anything until I have proven it by many Scriptures. I still say, find who God cast out of that Garden. JO |
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Jo, you studied for many years, but learned nothing of scripture, you are so determine to be right, that everything the scriptures are teaching fly right by you, cause you read with eye to prove what you believe, rather than to see what our Father has given us [means]. Jo one of the reasons we have one another is to learn from one another. You have nothing to prove, the spirit is the same in each of us, we being many make up the whole, everyone has a piece, part in and of this great mystery. Relax sweetie, you are among folks who love you. No matter what else is going on in my life, I always make time for you, I take you very serious, for I see your heart, there is not a evil bone in your body, you are just stuck on those who do not love you, and sometimes I suspect that it is them whom you are speaking to, when you write us. There is not one of us who knows everything, regardless how long we have been studying. I am your guy in the Father!
I would love some peanuts right about now. [smile]
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For goodness sakes, Eric. Grow up in understanding!!
When you call Jesus, SAVIOUR, is this denying that Jesus is Jesus? Is it denying that Jesus is our Saviour? or that he is Jesus?
When you call him a lion, does this mean he is no longer Jesus? When you call a child of God a sheep, does this mean we are no longer people? When we call Jesus a lamb, does this mean he is not Jesus?
Where Jesus called us wheat or corn, did this mean we are no longer people? Are we truly sheep? or corn?
When Jesus is called a healer, or physician, does this mean he is no longer Jesus?
It is the very same thing that God has now called Adam by his nature, SERPENT, which means a HYPOCRITE!
I will NEVER change this teaching, for I know God revealed it to me, and it fits all the Word of God.
I have news for you..........that earthly father is your enemy. As in ADAM all DIE.
By one MAN, ADAM, sin and death entered this world.
This is exactly why we must crucify this OUTER MAN, ADAM, in order to have life.
We must live after the inner MAN, JESUS, the Holy Ghost.
Jesus was called Lord, because he is now our Lord. This does NOT take away the fact that he is still Jesus.
Adam is the serpent, the wicked one, but this does not take away the fact that he is still ADAM.
Cain was of that wicked one.........adam.....was his father.
You are the one who needs to go study Genesis with an open and seeking mind.
I have been doing it for many, many years. I am very sure of what God has given to me on this subject.
I do not teach anything until I have proven it by many Scriptures.
I still say, find who God cast out of that Garden.
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Mt 14:33 - Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God. Mt 16:16 - And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Mt 27:43 - He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God. Mt 27:54 - Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God. Mr 1:1 - The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; Mr 3:11 - And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God. Lu 1:32 - He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: Lu 1:35 - And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. |
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Sorry to sound simple, but how can a Father be the same as His Son? The very idea of Jesus as the Son of God surely implies they are not one and the same?
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John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. ( Jesus is speaking here and he said he could do nothing in his own self but he came to do the will of his Father that sent him.
31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. ( Jesus is saying in this scripture that if he is bearing witness of himself don’t believe him because it’s not true. ) 32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.
35 He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.
36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.( Did Jesus send himself? No he said that his Father sent him. ( What Jesus is saying here is in John was sent to bear witness onto the truth, but that was testimony from man, but he said I have a greater witness than John’s witness. He said that the works bear witness of me, but let’s look to vs. 37 where he said I have a I have a greater witness that these.
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. John 8:14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.
15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. That sounds to me like two different beings. |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 8/1/2005 2:47 PM |
Thank you, Larry, for those great messages. they hate this wonderful truth. Everyone is determined to change the Word of God and make Jesus be something OTHER THAN GOD'S SON. Eric, You are so wrong in your assessement of me. I am not the least bit concerned with 'proving' myself right, or what others think of me. I guess you all never ran into a person who is totally dedicated to teaching the Truth of God's Word, as Paul was. But that is where I am. It matters not how many of you try to tear down the truth God has given to me, You will avail nothing against the truth. You may deceive yourselves and each other more than you already are, but you will not change the Truth written in God's Word. Not one single doctrine which you all teach, which the church world teaches, has ever been proven with Written Scripture. You who believe that Adam is righeous, and not Satan, have not one single Scripture verse saying any of this. You have not one verse saying God is three different persons. Not one verse says that God and Jesus are the very same person. Not one verse tells anyone to celebrate any holidays as worship to God or for any other reason. Not one verse tells anyone they can be saved some way other than Acts 2:38. Not one verse says only believing saves a person. Not one verse says you can still live in sin and be saved. Not one verse says everyone has the Spirit of God and they are all god. It is false as can be! And on and one I could go....but see, there is NO SCRIPTURE FOR ANY OF THESE FALSE TEACHINGS. Now we have folks declaring Europe to be the 'ten horned' beast of Rev. But according to Rev. 17, these ten horns have received no kingdom as yet. I ask, how does 25 European nations fit this discription? They were kingdoms before us. Folks declare the pope to be THE ONE AND ONLY ANTI-CHRIST, when the apostles declared the anti-christ was already in the world THEN. Do any of you EVER READ THE WORD OF GOD? Jo |
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