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Matthew, call all the Jesus only people whom you know. Ask them to join us here and all of you take issue with these Scriptures. Either explain them, by your OWN knowledge of the Word [not some copied stuff others wrote] or if you cannot, then seek for truth.

you contend that I do not know the word. Do you? Can you explain these questions with YOUR knowledge of the Word?

Now:

<NOBR>Lu 23:46</NOBR> And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

I ask any of you, please explain the above verse with YOUR OWN knowledge of the Scriptures. You will not have truth or eternal life, depending upon what someone else tells you. You are commanded by Jesus to search the Scriptures for yourself and find truth.

As Jesus was about to DIE, He cried out with a loud voice>>>>>why? Was he hard of hearing? Was he speaking to himself?

these are questions you MUST answer with the Word of God, if you claim to know, desire and have truth. If he was speaking to himself, why use a loud voice?

Now remember, he has spoken of His Father [as though his Father is someone other than himself all the days of his life, from 12 years old on down to this day of death. ] So now, on that cross Jesus is STILL crying out to another person and calling him Father.

Do you seriously think he is calling himself Father? Do you really think Jesus was nutty or something? That is what you make it sound like, saying he called himself his own Father.

But now, watch what he cried out to his father:

"Into thy [your] hands, I commend MY [not Father's ] SPIRIT. Now see, he said I am commending my own spirit into YOUR hands.

Now is all sensibility, how can he be speaking to his own self? How was he going to commend his own spirit into his own hands?

To say this, is to call the Word of GOD, FOOLISHNESS.

That is what you Jesus-only people are doing!

p.s. Instead of seeking these answers, Matthew RAN. why do they always run instead of STANDING? Because they have no truth to stand with. when they see questions such as these, they have no true answers; so rather than admit it and seek truth, they run.

Now, I found this under another thread, which I intend to do away with. So wanted to save this:

Psalms 110:1. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Now for starters there is one verse in which both Lords are used together. Now can you not see that this verse clearly states that one being said unto another being, sit at my right hand, until I make THINE enemies thy footstood?

When it said I will make THINE enemies......is not this one being speaking to another being? If not, how would it make any sense? See that the one doing the speaking, saying I will make YOUR enemies your footstool is spelled with all four letters capital? and the other Lord is spelled with only one Capital? This is all through the KING JAMES WORDS OF GOD.

Maybe you just did not know where to look? But it is so much in there, now could you miss it?

Matt. 22: 42. saying, What think ye of the Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him,The son of David.
43. He saith unto them, How then doth David in the Spirit call him Lord, saying,

44. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Till I put thine enemies underneath thy feet?
45. If David then calleth him Lord, how is he his son?

Now look at verse 44. If you have a true KJV it will show this. If you have a deluted and changed version it may not. See the same verse is repeated here in Matt and still calls one being LORD and he is talking to another Lord? How can you miss this? Do you truly read the KJV?

Mark 12:36. David himself said in the Holy Spirit, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Till I make thine enemies the footstool of thy feet.

Here is another NT writter saying the same thing. .....and you could not find it in the KJV?

Luke 20: 42. For David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
43. Till I make thine enemies the footstool of thy feet.

This is three NT writters saying the same thing.....God really wanted to nail this down, didn't he?

1Cor. 15: 24. Then cometh the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have abolished all rule and all authority and power.

Now there it is made clear that the LORD was speaking of God, even the Father.

Now for full, solid proof:

Heb. 1: 5. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, This day have I begotten thee? and again, I will be to him a Father, And he shall be to me a Son?

[Now the above verse is clearly the Father speaking to the Son, agree?]

6. And when he again bringeth in the firstborn into the world he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

[Here God the Father tells all the angels to worship his Son.]

7. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels winds, And his ministers a flame a fire:

8. but of the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; Therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

[In these two verses, God sets his Son upon the throne of God and makes him to be God with God.

v9...Therefore God (here he is speaking to his Son and calling him God)..thy (your) God (speaking of the Father as the God of Jesus)....hath anointed thee........[saying that God the Father anointed his Son.....]......We are told in another verse in Heb. that Jesus did not anoint himself.

10. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning didst lay the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of thy hands:

[this is speaking of after the resurrection when he, the beginning, Jesus brought in the new heaven and the new earth, = the NT Grace.

11. They shall perish; but thou continuest: And they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12. And as a mantle shalt thou roll them up, As a garment, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, And thy years shall not fail.

13. But of which of the angels hath he said at any time, Sit thou on my right hand, Till I make thine enemies the footstool of thy feet?

[Now in the above verse it makes it crystal clear that the Father was the one of whom it was said that the LORD said to the Lord, sti thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies they footstool......I really don't see how anyone who can read could miss this.]

14. Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to do service for the sake of them that shall inherit salvation?

And sure God had no beginning.......that is exactly the point. Jesus was not God. He was only made to be God there in Heb. 1, after his resurrection and ascention to Heaven. He was set on the throne of God by God and made to be God to all of us.

His Father is LORD. and he is Lord.

Now if you cannot see that, you need to study the KJV a little closer.

...and another thing, don't pay any attention to these truth haters who try to cast doubt on the pure Word of God, the KJV.

From: joie

Sent: 1/26/2004 1:18 PM

Is it in that version that it says the OT age was ended ?

I havent seen anything that says God had an end , it does say He is the ending .[Jesus is Lord]

Yes, it is in the version which says the OT age was ended = the KJV.

11Cor. 3: 6. who also made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7. But if the ministration of death, written, and engraven on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8. how shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9. For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10. For even that which was been made glorious had no gloriy in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11. For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious

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12. Seeing then that we havesuch hope, we use great plainess of speech,
13. and not as Moses, which did put a veil upon his face, that the children of Israel could not look stedfastly to the end of that which is abolished.

Now this very plainly tells us that the old covenant of law = the OT age, passed away; was abolished.

Is that confirmed elsewhere? sure.

Heb. 8:13. In that he saith, A new covenant he hath made the first old. Now that which is decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Now where you place these two Scriptures together, it clearly shows that the OT Covenant or age waxed old, decayed and vanished away.

You cannot have the two covenants or testaments together. They are opposites. by the law shall no flesh be justified. To cling to law any at all will keep Christ from being any effect to you and there is no salvation in law.

Now it is true that God has no beginning or ending of days. But Jesus did. Jesus was the ending of the OT Covenant. He nailed it to his cross and took it out of the way. Then he was the beginning.

He was the beginning of the NT age, or grace covenant.

Jesus was the alpha or beginning of SOMETHING.

He was and is the beginning of a new age. The new testament and the new heaven and earth. It says he is the beginning and the ENDING, then you must find out what he is the beginning of and what he is the ending of. Don't just repeat words without any understanding. that is what most people do, repeat words without any meaning in their minds. They never even try to find out what is being said. To me that is to say you care not for the Word.

p.s. This was written to someone who claims that the Scripture is just ink and paper:

Now I think you may need to re-think this thing about the Word of God being 'just' ink and paper. No, dear friend, It is not just ink and paper. Now true, you read his word via that method, but, the words you read are not ink and paper.

His Word, what you read, is life. His Word is our only hope. His Word is what brought Jesus up again from the dead. He said he was raised ACCORDING to the Word.

Everything He did was because it was WRITTEN of him.

His word is POWER. The power for all our needs. You will receive absolutely NOTHING from God apart from His Written Word.

Jesus himself relied upon the Written Word for defeating the devil and for knowing what he was supposed to do. He did nothing but what was already written of him to do. Paul relied upon the Written Word for everything he did and taught.

We can only do what is written in the word for us to do. I hope you all see the importance of the Written Word of God. He will do nothing for you apart from faith in His Written Word.

I wanted to tell you this; this computer page you are reading now, is only a means or method for me to commuciate to you my words or thoughts. You come to know me by my words, if I speak truthfully. And of Course God spoke only truth. So we come to know God by his word to us.

That is the only way of knowing God. If someone makes up stuff, it is not God. We can only accept something told of God if it is written in His Word.

Now this computer page you read is not my words. But my words are on this page. This you see with your eyes is only a means of getting my words to you. But my words are not the ink you are reading. My words are my thoughts. This you see right now with your natural eyes is only a 'means' of conveying to you my words, or thoughts.

My thoughts are me. God's thoughts or words is God, his power, his life.

I hope this makes it clearer. These words you read are not the ink which shows the words to you. Do you See? I hope so. But when you 'read' this and speak it, you are speaking my words. God's words are his life, his power, his glory. If I speak God's Words, they are the same words He spoke and they brought everything into existance. They are just as powerful when I speak them in faith as they were when he, Jesus, Paul, Peter or other spoke them.

Do not underestimate the power of reading, or speaking God's words. The entrance of God's Word giveth you understanding. Now how do these word enter into you? via reading them on the page or someone speaking them to your ears. But the Words as they enter your mind are the power to heal, give life, cast out devils, or any other thing we need.

His words are God. His words, the same ones you read, are eternal life. Without them, you will have no life. His words will bring the dead to life again.

His words are not the ink and paper by which you can receive the knowledge of his words. His words are life and power.

From: joie

Sent: 1/19/2004 9:10 PM

We must put on Christ. Now this is not a man. We cannot put on a man, now can we? But is not this carnal thinking?

We must put on the Word. Now we cannot put on a book made up of leather, ink, and print, now can we? But is not this carnal thinking?

We must eat the Word. but we cannot eat the leather, ink and print, now can we? But this is carnal thinking.

We must eat his body.......so I ask you to explain how we are to eat his body.

Sure it is carnal thinking. These things are spiritual. The Words are spiritual. The Word is NOT Jesus Christ. The Word was INSIDE Jesus Christ.

The Word is inside me. But how did it get there? By my reading and feeding upon those written words. Sure I give my all to God. That is the only way he accepts. I consider that everything I am or have is already His and I am willing to do with any of it as He shows me to do.

You see the Word of God as only leather and ink and print. Then the words are of no value to you.

Unless you place everything someone tells you with the Written Word and make sure they are in agreement with those words, which are only coveyed to you via the things you say, then their words are of no value to you.

You cannot know for sure they told you truth unless they match perfectly the written word of God.

the Word is God. That is how powerful those words are. If you pronounce those words in faith, you can heal the sick, raise the dear or any other thing written in the Words.

It is truly a pity that so many have gotten so far off real truth and have swallowed down foolishness.

The Word is not the ink or the paper or the print. The Word is what is said there.

Now I know that the false teaching handed down by all churches says that Jesus, the flesh man, the son was and is the Word.

But this is just not true. It is the WORD it is speaking of that he made the worlds and he came unto his own, etc. It is speaking of the Word, not Jesus; not any flesh man.

It said that He sent His word and healed them. It said by his WORD the worlds were made. It did not say by his son.

Jesus was not the word made flesh. It was in the resurrection that the glory was manifest and the word was then and there made flesh === but it is not speaking of his body It is speaking of the spiritual food we eat = the WORD.

It all goes back to the word. Jesus was crucified according to the WORD. He was resurrected ACCORDING TO THE WORD.

It is the Word. Jesus was a human man. He had the Word of God inside himself.

I know it 'looks' as if that is what is being said. But the pure revelation shows it is not the correct interpretation.

Now when it said "who being in the form of God".....this is speaking prophesy of after the resurrection, that he then was in the form of God.

The Word is what was in the beginning with God. But Jesus is the beginning and the ending. So something had to end. This is not the eternal God.

The Word was in Jesus.

Jesus was NOT the God in the OT. for he did not exist then. Jesus was BORN from Mary. He did not exist before then.

He is not called the only BEGOTTEN SON until AFTER his resurrection. Go read Romans 1: 1-4.

Also Acts 13 and Psm. 2.

All of these places shows that he was begotten the day of his resurrection. This is when he took on the form of God. He said in Psm. I will be satisfied WHEN I AWAKE [RESURRECTION] IN THY LIKENESS.

The EMMANUEL was the Spirit of God within him. He gave that Spirit to us. He is Emmanuel in me. This was NOT the man Jesus.

I know that Christ means annointed. God annointed Jesus. Jesus was not God.

And God did forsake him. Jesus did not lie. The reason for this is because Jesus had placed on him the sins of the whole world. He died as a sinner, a curse, and went into hell fire for our sins.

After his resurrection, then God placed Jesus on God's throne to rule with all the same power and authority as God himself. So now he is our God. But no one called him God before that. Not once is it recorded in the Word that any one believed him to be God. They said they believed he is the son of God.

(taken from another thread about this subject:)

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Of course Jesus is My Lord and My God.

God set it so, after the resurrection of Jesus. But....now get this. Try to understand. God made his Son, Jesus, to be our God because Jesus had paid the sin debt for us and bought us. He is now our Lord. We are not our own, but we belong to Jesus. He is our Husband.

But.... Now get this. He is not GOD. Can you possibly understand? God set his Son to be our God and our Lord. So he is my Lord and My God, because his God said for me to worship his Son. Heb. one.

But... that does not mean that Jesus is God. God is a spirit. Jesus is a man. God made Moses a god to Pharoah.

Adam was the god of the OT, because God gave this earth to that first son.

Everything of OT worship was and is an ABOMINATION to God. But Adam set it all up. Isa one.

We worship a MAN, Jesus Christ. That MAN is my God. That MAN is my heavenly Father.

bUT.....

that MAN, Jesus Christ, has a God and a Father. That God is the true and living God, the only true God. John 17.

How can this be so hard to see? It is crystal clear in the Word of God.

God set Jesus up on the throne of God, to rule now as God.

But Jesus is still a MAN, THE MEDIATOR BETWEEN MAN AND GOD.

Someday, Jesus will return to this earth, take the kingdom away from Adam, the first and rebellious son, and then put that devil into hell, and then Jesus will rule on his OWN THRONE, ON THIS EARTH.

All of this is written in Scripture.

have you see the horrible thing that one called bro. gary said about Baby God? ( I do not even wish to call him brother or captilize his name. He is not fit to be called brother.)

I am telling you, that is the height of BLASPHEMY. Baby god, became a helpless baby.....no God now in heaven..laying helpless in Mary's arms. depending on Mary to take care of the ETERNAL GOD????

THAT * IS * SATANIC * EVIL.

But you know what? That is where this 'jesus-only' doctrine led the world...into this kind of foolish darkness and evil speaking against God Almighty.

That is some of the ramifications of saying that Jesus was God.

I say people could not be studying the Word of God and fall into such evil doctrines of devils.

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Here Jesus told us that we could do greater works than he did BECAUSE he went to his Father.

See, he said these works we will do glorify him and his father. In other words, we show the world Jesus and His father, just as Jesus showed the world his Father with his works.

Does this make us be them?

We do it by faith. Jesus did it by faith. It is the SAME God. Jesus was given the very same Holy Ghost which we are given.

The word does say that the Spirit was given to him without measure.

But the thing is, if we fully dedicate ourselves to God, just as Jesus did, then we could do the very same works he did and have the same relationship with God that Jesus had.

Peter and Paul raised the dead. I am quite sure many others did also. We are only given a small sampling of the works that early Church did.

We are supposed to do the same thing.

No. It is the very same God which was in Christ which is in us.

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