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Statement given by a defender of the Catholic Faith and my answer. | Jacobus, When you say the Church will be destroyed you are in effect calling Jesus a liar, for He promised that the gates of hell would NEVER prevail against His Bride the Church. He promised to be with her forever. The New Jerusalem is the Church (RCC). I believe what Jesus said. Apparently you don't. How sad... Ma simple answer. And he has done so. The church separated very soon in two groups those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the simple gospel of Jesus Christ fore told by Jesus in Matthew 7:13-14. He pointed out those two groups of people. The Other group who departed from the commandments of God and changed it to the commandments of men and the teachings of Jesus Christ and changed the Bible for the Catechism As basis of their believe. One build their foundation on Peter as the rock. Tho other On the statement That Jesus is the Son of the living God and claimed that Jesus Christ is the Rock. But now close to the return only a remnant has survived. Read also. Matthew 24:22. And God will reduce the days for His return otherwise no one of God's church would not survive. Simple plain doctrine and predictions from Jesus Christ himself. There is still time to follow Jesus but not for long. Jack. | language=javascript>var bMB=true;</SCRIPT> |
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there is no true church of God under that old law covenant, even in our day. No justification comes by keeping commandments, OTHER THAN THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE APOSTLES OF JESUS. the Word of God tells us to be mindful of the commandments of the Apostles of Jesus. ....where are they found? No place other than the Book of Acts. Any true church has to follow the very same patten as they did in the Book of Acts. Read Acts 15! .....IF YOU CARE FOR SALVATION......OR TO BE IN THE TRUE CHURCH.....NO CATHOLIC CHURCH, WHERE ONE MAN RULES OVER OTHERS COULD BE A TRUE CHURCH.....NEITHER CAN A CHURCH ADVOCATING PLACING PEOPLE ....... BACK.....under law.....when Jesus delivered us from that bondage. Isn't it very strange that this fake church screems all the time to keep the commandments of Moses and totally IGNORS the commandments of the Apostles, who gave us the New Covenant, sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ. That old dead covenant of 'keeping ten commandments' is only sanctified by the blood of ANIMALS. This can NEVER take away your sins. why cling to that dead old way? and miss the glory of faith, grace?..it is impossible to have grace and have to be under law or keeping ten commandments. total deception is here. |
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Severing the Wicked From Among the Just! �?FONT color=#3300cc>Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.�?/FONT> II Thessalonians 2:1-3 �?FONT color=#cc9966>Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not�?.But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.�?/FONT> Revelation 2:20-21, 24-25 �?FONT color=#336633>He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear……So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just.�?/FONT> Matthew 13:37-43, 49 | |
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This is a great title for a thread. So let's give the history, from God himself, on the true Church, from its start: Acts 2 | And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. | | And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. | | And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. | | And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. | |
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| And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? | | Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. | | But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: | | For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. | | But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; | | And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: | | And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: | |
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Can anyone of you show scripture proof of a TRUE CHURCH of God in that old testament? If so, please do so. If not, then go with this true church: | Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. | | Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? | | Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. | | For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. | | And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. | | Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. | | And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. | | And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. | | And all that believed were together, and had all things common; | | And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. | | And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, | | Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. | |
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| Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. |
Now, this shows that God was adding daily to this true CHURCH. Where is the proof that he did it some other way than the above Scriptures? Was God taking them back into the old covenant to add them to his church? If so, why didn't Peter tell us that? Do you discredit Peter and Paul? They never once told anyone to go back to the ten commandments or law. They told them NOT TO DO SO. So you must call the writters of the NT a lie to cling to Ellen White's false teachings. If God is adding souls to his church everyday, here, he is doing it the above way in Acts 2. You will find no other way. You are totally out of God's Word. Did God tell them to go back and remember the law of Moses? I find that not. The entire chapter of two here, is showing exactly how and what method God used to add these souls to HIS TRUE CHURCH. Why do you adventist insist on destroying this plan of God and taking people BACK under the bondage of law? Why and how do you think you can find salvation ignoring the Apostles, and calling them evil names? You totally destroy the true plan of salvation taught here by the one with the keys to the kingdom. Jack, you can do no good trying to show a catholic he is wrong when you only offer him another deceived false church. come into the new testament or perish! |
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Jack, do you believe the Scriptures? Do you believe the angel of God? Do you ever come back here and read my answers to you? Read this: | There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, | | A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway. | | He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius. | | And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God. | | And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter: | | He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do. |
Now this man, Cornelius, is a Gentile. God is about to bring in the Gentiles into his TRUE CHURCH. So the ANGEL OF GOD came and told this man to send for Simon Peter. .......and HE WILL TELL YOU WHAT YOU OUGHT TO DO. Now do you believe this angel knew what he was saying? Do you think he knew the plan of salvation, or coming into the true church of God? If you can't believe this, how can you believe a woman who lived many years later? Can you find where Peter ever told anyone what you are saying? If so, please give me that Scripture. The above verses prove that this angel of GOD exonarated Peter as the one knowing the truth and the way into the true church of God. |
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| Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: |
| While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. | | And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. | | For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,(does your church experience and believe this)? | | Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? | | And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. |
Now there is where Peter told these Gentiles the very same plan of salvation which he told the Jews who asked him what must we do to be saved. Here Peter repeats the very same message of repentance, baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ and baptism of the Holy Ghost with evidence of speaking in tongues. How dare anyone , coming later, to try and change this or call it invalid? Jack, how long will you ignor the new testament? and hope for salvation in the dead old way? Do you have Scripture where God discredited what Peter said here? I have placed enough truth right here for even the blindest and hardest-hearted person to see truth and be converted, if they wish,,,,,, only someone placing themselves and some other human's words above God's word, could continue to ignor this and cleave to false teachings which will doom your soul to hell fire. Do you obey the Apostle's commandments? if not, there will be no salvation for you. |
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Now, here is Scripture PROOF that even in the days of the Apostles, still working all kinds of signs and miracles, there was a group of mis-led folks attempting to destroy the true Church, by destroying the true plan of Salvation, and taking them right back under the law of Moses = the ten commandments.: Read on: | And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. | | When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question. |
| But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. | | And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. | | And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. | | And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; | | And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. |
See, the 'adventist' were back then: Ellen White did not invent them. But now, what did the apostles of Jesus say to this question? ( I have printed this to this group so many times, there is no excuse for anyone to continue to be deceived this way. Jack, if you wish to do some good, take this to that board and the catholics.) | But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. | | And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. | | And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. | | And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; | | And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. |
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| Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: |
Jack, can you not see clearly here, that the apostles were ALL in total AGREEMENT on this matter. (read this whole chapter). Do you not see they called it subverting your soul to try and send people BACK TO THE LAW ? Do you not see that the apostles gave no SUCH COMMANDMENT? They WHY are you and your 'church' giving out this subverting commandment? Did God do away with what he bought up with the Apostles, and turn to Ellen White or some other adventist, subverting souls with taking them back to keeping the law of Moses? Why are you fighting God? |
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| But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. |
Jack, read this. think on it......go read your other thread.....this is EXACTLY what YOU are telling people. this is the very statement you claim......remember the law of Moses........but see that the Apostles DISPUTED THIS AND PUT IT DOWN....SAID WE GIVE NO SUCH COMMANDMENT TO THE TRUE CHURCH OF GOD. Jack, look at this.....you are telling people this very same false way.....you are doing the very same thing this group of people, whom Peter and all the other Apostles said were SUBVERTING SOULS. You cannot fail to see this, if you are one bit honest....if not,,,,you will lose your soul. I hope you can and will open your heart's DOOR to the truth of God's word. |
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Jack, here are your exact words. You and others need to consider this. compare this with the above NT scriptures. The ONLY way you can continue to believe this false stuff is to totally disregard the NT and deny the salvation Jesus gave us. He did NOT DIE TO PUT BACK UNDER THE LAW OF MOSES. It would benefit you all to learn the Bible that all mankind has received from the Catholic Church. It is her Bible and she alone understands the full meaning. My answer. I really belief you and your church will have a little problem by now. For the Church it is to late. But for you their is still time to change to God's people. God is calling you and God's people who have been deceived. In Rev. 18 4. Come out my people Come out from her. You must not take part in her sins; You must not share in her punishment! Remember the teachings of my servant Moses which I gave him at Mount Sinai. for all the people of Israel to obey. Israel obey the ten commandments of God.But many from the New Jerusalem God's people who are deceived do not So God is calling them to His Remnat people those who keep the commandments of God and have the faith of Jesus Revelation 12:17;14:12. and has the gift of prophecy able to understand the books of Daniel and Revelation. Daniel 12:9-10; Revelation 10. And had a prophet of God.Rev. 19:10.Who kept the commandments of God. Jack. Jack, here, you are telling people the very same words which Peter called SUBVERTING THEIR SOULS. wake up! did the apostles uphold this? No, they said we give NO SUCH COMMANDMENT. | |
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| As I have told you many times the written Law is given to bring people to Christ not to save us. the Law that save us are those two spiritual commandments Jesus has re-instated. Obeying those two Laws is essential for our Salvation if we do not follow the holy Spirit to obey those two Laws we Will be last because sinning against the Holy Spirit even Jesus can't forgive. He will not be crucified for this person the second time. Repent and turn back to the requirements of God and receive eternal life. Jack. |
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The law was given that their sins might ABOUND. While under law, there is no GRACE, OR MERCY. Paul said if you go BACK to law, at ANY point, CHRIST IS OF NO EFFECT TO YOU. Does your adventist church know more than Paul? Why do you disregard solid proof that the only COMMANDMENTS we are to observe today are the one Peter gave in Acts 10? Did you yet obey that COMMANDMENT? It is the one God gave us. God did not bring people OUT FROM UNDER LAW, SAVE THEM, THEN DEMAND THEY GO RIGHT BACK UNDER LAW. That, friend, is what you are advocating. What do you think the requirements of God are? If not the doctrine of the Apostles, why give them? Do you ever read the NT? What about 1Cor. 3? Do you disregard Paul and Peter? Paul clearly stated that the old covenant (moses law) was disannulled. Only a person deliberately blinded themselves will go on in that law after having been given the above proof that it is NOT GOD'S WAY OR HIS CHURCH. I see you are determined to hold onto law until it is too late for you. You are not letting the Word of God open to you at all. Why do you disregard the Apostle to whom JESUS HIMSELF, GAVE THE KEYS TO HIS KINGDOM? Peter said do NOT GO BACK TO THE LAW OF MOSES. |
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