Who is speaking in those verses?  Who is He calling,  My God, My God?

<NOBR>Ps 22:9</NOBR>	But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
<NOBR>Ps 22:10</NOBR>	I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
<NOBR>Ps 22:11</NOBR>	Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
<NOBR>Ps 22:12</NOBR>	Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
<NOBR>Ps 22:13</NOBR>	They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
<NOBR>Ps 22:14</NOBR>	I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.

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Who is that about?  Who is speaking?  Why is he saying you are  my God from my mother's belly?  Who was he speaking to and about?

Do you recognize who it is from verse 14?  Verse 10  You are my God from my  Mother's belly.

Who said that?  Who did he say it to?

Yes, his answer to Thomas is incredible!  If you see me you see the one who SENT ME.  If you do it to the least of these my brethern,  you do it to me.

I am in him and he is in me and I am in you and you are in me?  Explain.

Father I pray that they all  may be ONE AS WE ARE ONE.  

Explain.

He that receiveth those I send, receiveth me.  If you receive me, you receive the one who sent me.  Understand?

<NOBR>Ps 110:4</NOBR>	The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
<NOBR>Ps 110:5</NOBR>	The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.

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Who was the LORD speaking of in verse four above?  Who did the LORD say you are a priest?

Who is verse 5 speaking... the Lord at they right hand.......who is the Lord and whose right hand is he at?

<NOBR>Heb 1:1</NOBR>	God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
<NOBR>Heb 1:2</NOBR>	Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

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God spoke to us in the last days by his Son?  explain.  Who is his son?

<NOBR>Heb 1:5</NOBR>	For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
<NOBR>Heb 1:6</NOBR>	And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

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Personal pronoun... you.    are  my  son.  explain.

this day have    I   begotten  thee (you).   I    will be to   him   a Father,  and   HE  shall be to    ME   a son.

Let God's angels  worship    HIM,    NOT ME.  Understand?

<NOBR>Heb 1:8</NOBR>	But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
<NOBR>Heb 1:9</NOBR>	Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

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again watch the personal pronouns:   to the Son   HE  said,   THY (your)   throne,  O God,  is for ever...

THOU  (you)  have loved righteousness,   therefore   GOD,  even THY (YOUR )GOD hath anointed THEE (you).

Now who is speaking here?  Why is he calling this Son,  God?  Why did he say  your God has anointed YOU?

iS THAT THE SAME PERSON TALKING CRAZY STUFF TO HIMSELF?  OR WHAT?     do you really understand?   Do you wish to understand?

<NOBR>Mt 19:16</NOBR>	And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
<NOBR>Mt 19:17</NOBR>	And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

ME:  Each human obeying the plan of Salvation becomes  one WITH  JESUS,  JUST as Jesus said He was ONE with the Father.  Now that I agree with.....but.......

Do you not see that this proves that MANY ARE  ONE?

and that the ONE could not possibly be pertaining to the digit, 1?  it is not speaking about  how many.

If I say to you,  ground.......what would you think I meant?

Think.   what does the word,  ground,  bring to your mind?

Most will probably say, the earth we walk on, right?

but if I say to you, I have some GROUND Black Pepper, then that word GROUND means something entirely different.

So is this word  ONE.  The entire Jesus-only doctrine has built a false doctrine and false church on the misunderstanding of this 1 word, ONE.

See, it has more than one meaning, just as many other english words do.  In order to get truth from Scripture, each verse or word, must agree and fit the other places it is mentioned.  It cannot cross, or mean one thing here and another thing there about the same subject.

So now, go to John 17.  and watch this:

<NOBR>Joh 17:9</NOBR>	I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
<NOBR>Joh 17:10</NOBR>	And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
<NOBR>Joh 17:11</NOBR>	And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

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<NOBR>Joh 17:13</NOBR>

And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

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I  COME to thee.  Does that sound like he was him?  If so, why would he have to  go  to him?

<NOBR>Joh 17:20</NOBR>	Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
<NOBR>Joh 17:21</NOBR>	That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
<NOBR>Joh 17:22</NOBR>	And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

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and Paul in Galations says that we are ALL   ONE.  confirming the prayer here of Jesus.

So now as you stated we, in Christ, are all ONE.  Jesus said that we all,  (many)  may be ONE......AS...THEY.......ARE  ONE.

As, here, means the same way.  We all may be ONE the same way they are one.

So how is all the many members of Christ, his church, going to become ONE,   if this word ,  one,  here means the digit  1?

That would not be possible or profitable for anyone.  Because which one of us would remain?  how many others would be disolved away?

That seems to be what you are saying about Jesus and His Father.  Because he was in the father, and the Father was in him,  does not disolve away the man Jesus and his own human person.  He was a full human being just as we are.  He has not lost that, just because God set him on the throne of God, with the same power and authority as God has.

He is still Jesus.  He is still a man.  There is one GOD,  and one mediator BETWEEN   God  and  men,  the MAN, CHRIST JESUS.  Agree?

So if all the members of his body,  many,  become ONE  AS THEY ARE ONE,  and Christ is the IMAGE of God, then God has to be MANY ,  many,  in one body, or kingdom.

God is not 1.  God is many,  many members of one body.

Jesus was made to become a part of that Holy Spirit kingdom.  As we are placed into that one body, we too will become one with them.

this is the most glorious truth and revelation possible to man,,,yet the false teaching of Jesus being God on earth does away with this knowledge.

Freeborn

I hope it is alright.  I hope I did nothing wrong.  I know that I personally would be delighted if someone copied and pasted everyone of my messages on every site there is on the internet, because I know it is the truth of God, which most are missing and needs to be told.

 

Now I found this on another site, there reading.  It was posted by a Jehovah's witness, against those claiming that Jesus is God.

 

It is just so good, I had to  post it here.  Hope it is alright.  Hope he and they do not mind.  I copied his name so maybe it is alright.  I would have asked Tweety to ask them, but did not want to wait and she does not wish to go between them and me.

So here it is.  the words of God are free to all, and I think this is the Word of God:  it is certainly a good message on this subject:

 

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From: Tigger 2

Sent: 7/17/2007 3:34 PM

I commend you for your honesty. It is always good to cut to the quik and catch to the crux of a matter. I do not suppose that you would agree that Jesus and Jehova are essentially the same name and that they are literally the same shem.(Check the Hebrew). That is the reason why the Jews took up stones against HE WHO IS. [The Messiah has the same literal name as did Joshua: Yehoshua (which means "Jehovah Saves"). Many Israelite names were literal statements or praises of Jehovah God. This in no way was intended to indicate that they were, in any way, Jehovah himself or even equal to Jehovah in any way. For example: Elijah's name (shem) means "God [is] Jehovah" and Abijah's shem means "Father [is] Jehovah." Certainly no one considered them to be Jehovah God or equal to Jehovah! Furthermore, the meaning of Jehovah's shem as explained at Exodus 3:14 is "He will Be' or 'He will Become' (based on the meaning of ehyeh as used by God throughout the OT - 'I will Be' not the mistranslated 'I Am').] The very thought of all the fullness of JEHOVAH dwelling bodily in the Christ was too much for them also. It is the fleshly mind that has difficulty seeing past the veil of the tabernacle of flesh. I am still having great resistance from those who have not yet understood that the very name of the ALMIGHTY ONE dwelt among flesh as flesh and blood for 33 1/3 years, a perfect generation of humanity that was literally cut-off for our sakes; but there is no disputing that the Christ came to us in the SHEM of the FATHER and that it was this very son of man who was indeed the express image of HIS PERSON (singular) and the LIVING WORD incarnate. [The argument that Col. 2:9 proves that Jesus is God overlooks the common understanding of "fulness of ..." and "filled with ..." by those who used those common phrases in New Testament times. For example, the person who became "filled with Holy Spirit" (Eph. 5:18) was greatly influenced by that spirit, but he certainly did not become the Holy Spirit. And having "the fulness" of someone or something could similarly mean being greatly influenced by that person or thing. The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology says: "Just as a person can be full of pain, joy, love, and virtue, he can also be said to be filled with God ..., i.e. possessed and inspired by God." - Vol. 1, p. 734. Even in modern English idiom we say things like: "He is full of the Devil." But we don’t intend to say he literally is the Devil or even equal to the Devil in the fullest sense. We merely mean that he may, in some respects, show certain "devil-like" or "devil-influenced" qualities! (Cf. Jn 6:70 and Mark 8:33 footnotes in NIVSB.) Surely we wouldn’t expect anyone who is "filled with" God or who receives the "fulness of" God to actually be God! Nor would we expect anyone who has the "fulness of" Christ to actually be Christ! In fact it clearly shows that he is NOT the person with whom he is "filled"! So, when we read Eph. 1:22,23 - "the church, which is his body, the fulness of him who fills all in all" - we do not think that all real Christians are actually Christ. The New Oxford Annotated Bible (1977) tells us in a footnote for this scripture: "the Church, as the fulness of Christ, is the complement of his mystic [figurative] person; he is the head, the Church is his body." The noted trinitarian NT Greek scholar, W. E. Vine, explains: "Fill, Fill Up": "... (a) of the members of the Church, the Body of Christ, as filled by Him", Eph. 1:23 (‘all things in all the members�?; ... in 3:19, of their being filled ... ‘with�?all the fulness of God; of their being ‘made full�?in Him, Col. 2:10." - p. 426, An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words. Yes, at Eph. 3:19 we actually see Paul expressing the thought "that you [Ephesian Christians] may be filled with all the fulness of God" - RSV. And at Eph. 4:13 we find - "until we all attain ... to the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ" - RSV. Even the trinitarian reference work, the New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, commenting about the word "fullness" at Col. 2:9 ("In his [Jesus’] body lives the fullness of divinity" - JB), tells us: "this fullness which is described in Col. 1:15-18 is entirely related to Christ’s cross (v. 20), death (v. 22), and resurrection (v. 18). For this reason believers also have this fullness in him (2:10)." - Vol. 1, p. 740, Zondervan, 1986. - See AT, CBW, NAB (especially 1991 ed.). "Outside the NT the word occurs in Ignatius in a sense which is clearly influenced by the NT, and apparently in the meaning of the Divine fulness, as going forth and blessing and residing ["dwelling"] in the Church [the congregation]" - p. 1, Vol. 4, A Dictionary of the Bible, James Hastings, ed., Hendrickson Publ., 1988. For exactly the same reasons that we don’t allow such figurative language to persuade us that all true Christians actually are (or may become) God or Christ, we should not let it persuade us that Christ is actually God! The Bible tells us how essential to eternal life it is to know God and Jesus (John 17:3 and 2 Thess. 1:8, 9). Therefore, if one "knows" Jesus as God and "knows" God as three (or two) persons and such "knowledge" turns out to be false, then he is certainly not on the road to eternal life! And as we saw above, if Christians can be "filled with" God and receive the "fulness of" God, we know by this very wording that they are not God! And we know that those Christians who had the "fulness of" Christ could not actually be Christ! The very wording itself shows that someone else is "filling" (or influencing) the person who is being "filled" (influenced). In fact it clearly shows that he CANNOT be the person (or thing) with whom he is "filled"! Therefore, those Christians who are "filled with" or have the "fulness" of God are not God! Those Christians who are "filled with" or have the "fulness" of Christ are not Christ! Those men and women who are "filled with" or have the "fulness" of the Holy Spirit are not the Holy Spirit!! And even if we interpret Col. 2:9 as meaning that Christ has the fullness of "Godhood" in him, it still cannot mean Christ is God!! As for the son of man being "the express image of HIS PERSON," anything which is an image of something else is obviously not the reality of that image. That is, the image of me in a mirror is definitely not me, it is glass, silvered backing and reflected light. Men were made to be in the image of God but obviously are not God nor even equal to God in any aspect. In fact, if something is called the image of something, it cannot be that thing.] There is no disputing that JEHOVAH stated that only He, and He alone, is the Messiah; for we read in truth that beside Him there is no other Saviour. [Just as there is only one Most High God but there are many gods (including false gods and God-appointed gods), so there is only one Most High Savior, but numerous saviors. If Jehovah is insisting that no one but himself is ever to be called "saviour," then He and His inspired Bible writers would never call anyone else by that exclusive title. So, when we read that Othniel (Judges 3:9) and Ehud (Judges 3:15) are both called "saviour" (same Hebrew word translated "saviour" at Is. 43:11 is translated "deliverer" in KJV - compare ASV), should we really believe they are both Jehovah because "besides [Jehovah] there is no saviour"? If so, we have a new "trinity": The Father, Ehud, and Othniel!! We should be interested in Obadiah 21 also. Are all those saviours really Jehovah. Furthermore, if Jehovah alone is saviour, and Jesus is saviour because he saves (Greek: sosei - Matt. 1:21 and soso - John 12:47) men, then Jesus "must" be God. By this same reasoning, since some followers of Jesus also save (Greek: sosei - James 5:20; 1 Tim. 4:16 and soso - 1 Cor. 9:22) men, then they (the saviours of Obadiah 21?) too, 'must' be God! (This is very similar to the "Forgiveness" silliness that is sometimes used to "prove" the trinity. - "Only God can forgive sins," say certain trinitarians, "and Jesus forgave sin, Mark 2:7. Therefore, Jesus must be God!" So, John 20:20-23 "proves" that the disciples also must be God, right?) We realize that Jehovah, as the only Almighty and Most High God, is the ultimate Saviour and the only origin of salvation, and, in that sense, and by comparison, there are no others. However, it is obvious that other individuals can be, and are, saviours in a subordinate sense, if Jehovah so wills it. That means, then, that Jehovah is the only ultimate saviour (or the only ultimate source of salvation), and, in the cases of Ehud and Othniel, for example, Jehovah was saviour through them. There have been many saviors or deliverers (yasha �?Hebrew, and soter �?NT Greek) found in scripture who saved others through appointment by or commandment of God. But there is only one most high source of salvation (or only one savior or deliverer [yasha/soter] in the highest sense of the word) �?Jehovah, the Father. Yes Jesus is our savior and king, but he is our only savior in the sense of being the only one (excluding God in heaven the source of that salvation who sent him for this purpose) who gave us the opportunity for eternal salvation. This is explained in John 3:17: "Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him." - NRSV. God is the source of salvation, Jesus was the instrument. (It’s like scripture telling us that Jehovah gave the Israelites the Law and then also saying Moses gave the Israelites the law. They were both the Lawgiver, but in different senses: Jehovah was the source, and Moses was the instrument. Jehovah gave the law to Israel through Moses. The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology also tells us: "Because God is the initiator [source] of salvation, both he and Christ are called soter, saviour ..." - p. 78, Vol. 2, Zondervan, 1986. Notice what the very trinitarian NIVSB has to say in its introduction to the book of Judges: "Title - The title [Judges] describes the leaders Israel had from the time of the elders who outlived Joshua until the time of the monarchy. Their principal purpose is best expressed in 2:16: ‘Then the LORD [Jehovah] raised up judges who saved them out of the hands of ... raiders.�?Since it was God who permitted the oppression and raised up deliverers [saviors], he himself was Israel’s ultimate Judge and Deliverer [Savior]." This is well-illustrated at Judges 6:14 where Jehovah commands Gideon to save Israel. But later, the saviour, Gideon, says it is Jehovah who is saving Israel (Judges 6:37). Those who look for great "mysteries" in every Bible statement and those who look for revelations of a multiple-persons-in-one God could well take these scriptures to "prove" Gideon is Jehovah. But it should be obvious to any objective student that Jehovah saved Israel through Gideon! (See discussion of "through" in the study paper on "Beginning, Wisdom, and Firstborn.") It is clear that, as Ehud, Othniel, and Gideon were saviors because Jehovah was providing salvation through them, so Jesus, in a much larger sense, is also savior because Jehovah ("the only God") has provided salvation through him! - Compare 1 Thess. 5:9; 1 Peter 2:2 (modern translations); Rev. 7:10. The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology also tells us: "Because God is the initiator [source] of salvation, both he and Christ are called soter, saviour ..." - p. 78, Vol. 2, Zondervan, 1986. It might also be interesting to examine the meaning of Jesus�?personal name. Like the names "Joshua" and "Isaiah," Jesus�?name literally means "Jehovah [is] Salvation" or "Jehovah Saves"!] Better men than me have said it: If you want to shake hands with the Father you must make ready to take hold of the nail-scarred hand. Jesus is the only Wise God. - JT If you wish to discuss any of the above in more detail, please stick to that one subject until we have both completed our analysis of it. Or if you wish to present new information for another "proof," please stick to one subject alone until we are both satisfied that we have exhausted our evidence concerning that one "proof."

I fully explained this.  You need to take it easy and study, IF YOU WANT TRUTH. But if you are determined to try and prove the old man-made doctrines to be true, in face of all the many Scriptures it CROSSES, then you will never come into the truth.   No doctrine is right, if it crosses scripture some place else, for God does not lie. He does not get mixed up and say one thing here, and something else over there.   I showed you that in the man Jesus, there was no glory to behold.  The word says this.  It did not say the Word was Jesus.  It said the word was God. It does not every say that Jesus was God, only when god set him to be our god, after his ascention to heaven.   The word was not made into a human baby.  that human man is not what we must eat to have eternal life.   Do you flat disregarde where God said I will put my words into his mouth?  He told Moses, this prophet, Jesus,  will be like you.  He did not say he will be god.  He said he will be a prophet.   The word did not say that Isaiah went in unto the prophetess.  That is the big difference.   people read it that way, in their minds,  but it did NOT SAY THAT. It said he went UNTO her.  BIG DIFFERENCE,.  means he went to where she was. why did he take faithful witnesses to RECORD THIS THING?   I am telling you, God revealed this to me.  No Scritpure says that Jesus is the ONLY virgin born son, now does it?  is it incredible to you that God did this thing more than once?  for he always has at least two witnesses of a thing, before it can be established as truth.   Jesus is the one who bore the Emmanuel,  not Mary.   That resurrected Christ is the Emmanuel.  not that baby in Mary's arms.   Man did not kill Emmanuel.  Man did not kill the Word of God.  Impossible.   Now if you want to just run off, and not allow God to show you this, or even consider it, do as Judas,  walk out into the NIGHT, or darkness.   I did not teach myself these things.  Man did not teach me these things.  God taught me, same as he did Paul.   I could not possibly know these things, unless God taught me.   but you can refuse them if you like  .  God never forces anyone.  He gives you the choice to choose.   I chose to believe what the word does say.  it does not say that Jesus is god in flesh. god never came in flesh.  God is a spirit.   Jesus is a man. Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. It said Jesus is a MAN.  It did not say Jesus is a god.  and the Word is full of this. What do you all think Jesus meant when he said,  My father is GREATER than I?  Ever consider that? What did he mean by: John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more John16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father. Joh 16:17 Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father? Three times right here,  [solid proof],  Jesus declared that  I  go  to  the  Father. Now if he were the father, why did he have to  GO  TO  THE FATHER?   Judge rightousness judgment.

Dear Freeborn,

I had to do a search tonight because someone said that The Father's Spirit dwelled in Jesus. But the Holy Ghost is not God. He is spoken to as God. But he is not God the Father. Jesus always said that the Father resided in heaven. Let me show you:

 

MT 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of MY FATHER which is in heaven.

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MT 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before MY FATHER which is in heaven.

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MT 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before MY FATHER which is in heaven.

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MT 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of MY FATHER: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

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MT 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of MY FATHER which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

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MT 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but MY FATHER which is in heaven.

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MT 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of MY FATHER which is in heaven.

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MT 18:19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of MY FATHER which is in heaven.

 

MT 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of MY FATHER.

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MT 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but MY FATHER only.

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MT 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of MY FATHER, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

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MT 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in MY FATHER's kingdom.

 

MT 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O MY FATHER, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

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MT 26:42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O MY FATHER, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.

 

MT 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to MY FATHER, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

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LU 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about MY FATHER's business?

 

LU 10:22 All things are delivered to me of MY FATHER: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

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LU 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as MY FATHER hath appointed unto me;

 

LU 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of MY FATHER upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

 

JOH 2:16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not MY FATHER's house an house of merchandise.

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JOH 5:17 But Jesus answered them, MY FATHER worketh hitherto, and I work.

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JOH 5:43 I am come in MY FATHER's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

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JOH 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but MY FATHER giveth you the true bread from heaven.

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JOH 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of MY FATHER.

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JOH 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor MY FATHER: if ye had known me, ye should have known MY FATHER also.

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JOH 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as MY FATHER hath taught me, I speak these things.

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JOH 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with MY FATHER: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

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JOH 8:49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour MY FATHER, and ye do dishonour me.

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JOH 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is MY FATHER that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

 

JOH 10:17 Therefore doth MY FATHER love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

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JOH 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of MY FATHER.

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JOH 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in MY FATHER's name, they bear witness of me.

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JOH 10:29 MY FATHER, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of MY FATHER's hand.

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JOH 10:30 I and MY FATHER are one.

 

JOH 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from MY FATHER; for which of those works do ye stone me?

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JOH 10:37 If I do not the works of MY FATHER, believe me not.

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JOH 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will MY FATHER honour.

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JOH 14:2 In MY FATHER's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

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JOH 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known MY FATHER also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

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JOH 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto MY FATHER.

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JOH 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in MY FATHER, and ye in me, and I in you.

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JOH 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of MY FATHER, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

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JOH 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and MY FATHER will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

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JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for MY FATHER is greater than I.

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JOH 15:1 I am the true vine, and MY FATHER is the husbandman.

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JOH 15:8 Herein is MY FATHER glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

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JOH 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept MY FATHER's commandments, and abide in his love.

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JOH 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of MY FATHER I have made known unto you.

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JOH 15:23 He that hateth me hateth MY FATHER also.

 

JOH 15:24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and MY FATHER.

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JOH 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to MY FATHER, and ye see me no more;

 

JOH 18:11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which MY FATHER hath given me, shall I not drink it?

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Dear Tweety,

This is a very good message, and I thank you for sharing it with us.  You have done a good research for this.  It is certainly eye-opening.

 

Those who claim that Jesus is the Holy Ghost and that the Holy Ghost is the Father must never have read these verses.

 

See this also proves that just because the Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary, does not prove the Holy Ghost is the Father of Jesus.  These verses you quote here solidly prove that this could not be true.

 

The Holy ghost did not 'father' Jesus when he overshadowed Mary.  He only did a work for the Father, that of anointing her seed to bring forth human life.  That is all that took place with Mary.  God did not get into her egg and mingle himself there and live there and become a baby in her womb.  To me, that is so blasphemous, there are no words to describe it.

 

Yes, it is true.  The Father always resided in heaven.  His spirit dwelt in Christ, by the Holy ghost.  But this was not the Father himself.  That is plain to see.

 

The Father is a many membered kingdom and all of those innumerable beings, all having their own individual personalities and self, as we do,  could not have been inside that baby.

 

See that lie will forever blind all who believe it.  They will never be able to see God for what He really is,  infinite, as numerable as the stars of heaven,  Yet still united as ONE KINGDOM IN PERFECT HARMONY.  It is the most beautiful things the human mind could ever imagine.

 

truly we cannot imagine it.  We cannot get even a true glimpse, because we have never seen anything even close.

 

I truly do not think words can teach this truth to a person.  Only a work of God, on our minds, opening the understanding, can show it to anyone.

 

But our words may help them, if they are willing.  having someone explain what god has already revealed to us could help them.  I had no one explaining any of this to me.  It came strictly from God.

 

I did a search on 'in Christ'.  (NT).. there were 84 entries.  Only 1 of them mentioned that god was in Christ.  guess what?  all the others show we are in Christ.   wonder if anyone ever realized this?

 

We are in Christ NOW.

I did a search on 'in Jesus'.  Only seven were named and not one of them said that God was in Jesus.

 

Think on this.

 

Thanks for this wonderful study, and keep up the good work.

 

Love ye,

Jo

Freeborn,

I need to do a search and see if Jesus has a KINGDOM. It would not be GOd the Father's kingdom. But Jesus kingdom. I think I read that somewhere. Well have a good night.  Tweety

do that Tweety.

<NOBR>Col 1:12</NOBR>	Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
<NOBR>Col 1:13</NOBR>	Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

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<NOBR>Mt 5:34</NOBR>

But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

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<NOBR>Mt 19:28</NOBR>

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

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<NOBR>Mt 25:31</NOBR>	When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
<NOBR>Mt 25:32</NOBR>	And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
<NOBR>Mt 25:33</NOBR>	And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
<NOBR>Mt 25:34</NOBR>	Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

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<NOBR>Lu 1:32</NOBR>

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

I see so much on the 'jesus-only' groups, and in life, where they use that silly prophecy-wheel, by which they 'THINK' that they prove that Jesus is God.

 

 

BUT THIS DOES NOT PROVE THAT JESUS WAS GOD.

It proves that he did exactly what He and God had said he would do  =  the works of the Father.  and speak the words of the Father, not his own words.

 

Proof:

<NOBR>Joh 10:30</NOBR>	I and my Father are one.
<NOBR>Joh 10:31</NOBR>	Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
<NOBR>Joh 10:32</NOBR>	Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
<NOBR>Joh 10:33</NOBR>	The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
<NOBR>Joh 10:34</NOBR>	Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
<NOBR>Joh 10:35</NOBR>	If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
<NOBR>Joh 10:36</NOBR>	Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
<NOBR>Joh 10:37</NOBR>	If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
<NOBR>Joh 10:38</NOBR>	But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

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