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Freeborn551 (Original Message)

Sent: 12/6/2007 1:57 PM

Dave and others here. I am starting a new thread to deal with this Is Jesus God, question. It seems that millions wrestly with this question daily, all to no avail. They still end up in mass confusion and repeating words by the millions, which are NOT ONE TIME STATED IN GOD'S HOLY WORD.

I have taken this from the SNW group, as they took something from here to try to slam the truth I teach and to slam me. I do it not as self -defense, but to try to help someone find the truth and get out of that dark jungle of man-made doctrine of lies.

Let me tell you this one thing..and get it...all or you.....this is of the utmost importance to ever find God's truth. I really think most people do not see the real importance of Getting God's truth. But we must study and seek the daily BREAD from Heaven and come into His truth.

Only TRUTH can set us free. Get the truth.

Now here is what they had to say over there:

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Bro_Bryan

Sent: 12/1/2007 1:01 PM

The only way you will ever see God is in Jesus Christ. I totally agree.

I noticed when someone was here recently posting that their idea of the Godhead was twisted,along with her visions that supposedly God had given her. That person is no longer a member here, nor am I a member in her group. I have severed ties.

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Bro_Bryan

Sent: 12/1/2007 1:04 PM

Jesus is God in a different way.

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From:

noetus5

Sent: 12/1/2007 2:37 PM

Now you can drop the in a diferent way qualification and just say JESUS IS GOD, that is if you only see the Dual Natures in a diferent way , if you do indeed acknowledge the error of Freeborn (you should have from the start) in this post of hers following as well as others and know that indeed it is not 2 beings and if indeed Jesus is not a seperate being from God then you must acknowledge two distinct natures only , ie the DUAL NATURE DOCTRINE, Jesus is Fully God and Fully Man , retract the denials of that you have posted as well as retract your statment that the Spirit was not in the BABE at birth and say JESUS IS GOD

From: joie2

Sent: 10/22/2007 10:07 AM

The Jesus-only doctrine, which denies the Father as a separate being from his Son, Jesus.

Jesus is not God. Jesus is a man. God is a spirit. Jesus is not a spirit. They are one in unity with each other, just as we are all ONE. That is the true church of God is all ONE.

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Bro_Bryan

Sent: 10/22/2007 10:18 AM

Jesus is not God. Jesus is a man.

Clear choice here Bryan , if Jesus is NOT a seperate Being he is indeed GOD and that means you need to say that Jesus is Fully God and Fully MAN = DUAL NATURE

retract where you have said to the contrary, feel free to try to describe it in difering terms , feel free to say HUMANITY is not Diety well meaning only the NATURES are distinct, Jesus is GOD

Notice, the many, many words they must resort to trying to explain that Jesus is God, which are NOT IN SCRIPTURE.

when one must say things which are NOT WRITTEN in Scripture, they are telling lies of Satan.

They say, two distinct natures resided in Jesus or was Jesus. Where is that written? Which apostle said that? They claim to go by the Apostle's doctrine, yet I cannot find one word they say, which actually came from an apostle.

Yet they also claim that Jesus had no human spirit or mind of his own...only a mind can have nature....so where did he get this dual nature? two minds? yet they deny his human spirit. See how mixed up they are!!

The TRUTH is WRITTEN. If it is not WRITTEN (in Scripture) it is lies of man.

Brother Bryan said he has broken ties with me. So be it. But he is one confused man. And he is struggling to get truth. He is listening to men who had no truth. He sees that something is definitely wrong with the Jesus only doctrine. He sees that something is wrong with the trinity doctrine.

yet he cannot bring himself to grasp the TRUTH. I am praying he will let God show him the real truth. But I think he is going to allow those persuasive people to out talk him. any of you wishing to get a full picture of this jungle of darkened words, go over there and read the 'Is Jesus God' thread.

Take time to notice the thousands of words they all scream over and over trying to prove that Mary had a baby which was only a lifeless body, for God to walk around here in! God have mercy! No such mess is taught in Scripture...

Yet they all, with one accord, slander me as some kind of mongrel out of hell!

Funny, though. what I am saying is clearly written in Scripture and not one thing they are saying trying to explain certain Scriptures, is written.

How they do twist and add their own thoughts, or rather some other deluded man's thoughts. For instance, they repeat, over and over and over.... Jesus said, if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.....

and they say.....that proves Jesus is God. what? how? how does that prove Jesus is God? He did not say, if you believe not that I am God, you shall dies in your sins.

He actually told them if you believe not that I am the son of man, you shall die in your sins.

They fear not to change God's word to suit their FALSE DOCTRINE.

and I hope some of you who belong here and there will be so kind as to copy and paste this over there!

God help them to get out of their lies and come into truth!

But of course, most of them, maybe none of them, ever will. They are not studying the Word of God, seeking HIS truth. They only study man's perverted words, to cling to their own false beliefs.

Where is DUAL NATURE in Scripture? Yet they harp this lie day and night.

Where is DIETY OF JESUS in Scripture? Yet they harp this lie day and night.

Where is INCARNATION in Scripture? Yet both false doctrines totally depend on this LIE.

Where is FULLY MAN AND FULLY GOD in Scripture? Not there. yet they harp this lie day and night.

and so on with all their words. They say the only way one will ever see God is in Jesus Christ......lies this is.

No scripture says this lie either. Yet they rest on it. They will see God is all of us. They will see God as God, for Jesus said so.

what do they think God is? a puff of air? They have absolutly no concept of the true God, for if they did , they could not say he left heaven and mixed his own personal seed with a human woman's seed, and made an half man/half god baby.

part man/ part god. fully man/ fully god/ one part man/ one part god...etc. etc. which? they have no clue. a baby who was god.....say they....only way he could not have sinned.....see? No credit to the MAN CHRIST JESUS.

But I am not angry at anyone. I pity them. I truly pray they will finally one day, accept the real truth.

God is a SPIRIT KINGDOM OF MANY, YEA INNUMERABLE MEMBERS.....YET THEY BELIEVE THAT SAME GOD, MADE UP OF MANY MEMBERS, (course they do not know this truth) but see, that is why I said they have no clue as to the true nature of the true God.........they say this God got into that tiny unborn baby, or got into that baby at birth., or a few mintues later.......anyway..at some point in time....that lifeless baby came alive as the eternal God settled into this tiny baby, to walk around as a man.....proving that a man has to be god in order to over come sin.

SEE THE LIES OF SATAN IN SUCH VOMIT!

Jo Smith

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ETHEREALphoenix7

Sent: 12/6/2007 7:54 PM

I looked up this verse in the Interlinear Bible and it said " I and Father One Is" instead of "are one".

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

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From:

Freeborn551

Sent: 12/6/2007 9:12 PM

?...So..what is that supposed to mean? I know not that kind of speach.. I and Father one is? me don't get it.

Who is Father? Why I AND Father? Isn't I AND you, two different ones?

Why would Jesus speak of himself and himself and himself, with And IN between , if we are to conclude that they are the same one?

It must fit all other Scripture. Does this, I and Father one is...fit all other Scripture.....what does it mean?

Let's, you and I, speak one thing at a time, from the KJV, and get to the bottom of it. Else no good will come forth.

Answer my questions, and ask me whatever you wish to.

Let the Word of God bring forth the answer.

From:

Freeborn551

Sent: 12/6/2007 9:23 PM

P.s.. the following is notus hacking at bro Bryan. Look at how he words his ascertion that Jesus is God, a man with a dual nature:

From:

Bro_Bryan

Sent: 10/22/2007 10:18 AM

Jesus is not God. Jesus is a man.

Clear choice here Bryan , if Jesus is NOT a seperate Being he is indeed GOD and that means you need to say that Jesus is Fully God and Fully MAN = DUAL NATURE

retract where you have said to the contrary, feel free to try to describe it in difering terms , feel free to say HUMANITY is not Diety well meaning only the NATURES are distinct, Jesus is GOD

Me: "fully God and fully man = dual nature.

So where is even one Scripture which states such a thing? No one can be found. Not one Apostles said such words. Jesus did not say such words.

No Prophet prophecied that God would come to earth in the human body of a man, who would have a dual nature, or any such thing.

No Psalm states this concept.

Now Jesus told his disciples that everything spoken about him, in Moses, the Psalms, and the prophets, had been fulfilled.

Where is the prophecy for this dual natured person? Where is prophecy that God would come to earth and walk around as a human man? I know of no such Scripture.

All those people have is a bunch of man's false interpretations. they know not any truth. They have no revelation for themselves.

The quote and quote what other's said, without one word of truth....they quote and quote, If you believe not that I am he,,, and they say this proves Jesus was God.........but Jesus never one time said, believe that I am God.

He was saying if you believe not that I am the son of man, ye shall die in your sins.

Big difference here. Whose word are you going to rest your eternal life on?

Man's or God's?

If you really want some truth, and something to minister to others, then take each one of those sayings and prove if it is written in Scripture or NOT.

From:

Freeborn551

Sent: 12/6/2007 9:46 PM

Many years ago, back when God was just beginning to teach me his word, He said to me,-- No one will be able to copy what you are teaching. No one will be able to pick it up and pretend God gave it to them first. No one will be able to hypocrite this message which I am giving you.--

Now I know the unbelievers mock me when I say things which God told me. But I am telling you, if you belong to God, if he is your father, he will speak to you and guide you.

If he does not speak to you, you do not belong to him. If He does not know you BY NAME, you are none of his.

The word clearly teaches this in both OT and NT.

Now when God told me that, it really puzzled me. Some of the things I told back them, prophecies God gave me, some of the people I had dealings with at that time, would pretend they already knew it. I knew that did not and that it was hypocricy. So I could not imagine how I would have a message which no one else could pick up on.

But now that I understand the truth of God's word as he has given it to me, I fully understand why no one can hypocrite with this message.

They simply cannot accept its truth, because it is totally contrary to everything any church already teaches. It crosses all their doctrine. It defies everything man has given out since the Apostles lived.

It is the TRUE APOSTOLIC MESSAGE. The fake jesus-only church DOES NOT HAVE THE TRUE APOSTOLIC MESSAGE.

They are under strong delusion, because they have not received a love for the truth.

Everywhere I go to teach, I am immediately attacked and then dismissed as evil. They will not ever seek to find out if it is true or not. They truly do not wish to know!

People run from the , Adam is Satan, message as if it were the most poisonous snake in this world! Yet it is solidly proven in Scripture.

See? They simply cannot take this truth, because it defies all they have already been taught.

If they are a minister, they KNOW they could not find a place to minister, (and get their pay) if they teach this message, that JESUS IS NOT GOD.....was not God in flesh......that there is no such thing as INCARNATION.

That there is no such thing as RAPTURE.

that there is no such things as a trinity god.

That women and men, in Christ, are the same, no difference...we are all ONE in Christ.

wE ARE all equals in Christ. No one is to rule over anyone else in CHRIST.

Law is different from Grace. Our Sabbath is the Holy Ghost.

Now let someone fake this message and try to teach it to receive glory for themselves. It cannot be done...because this truth brings only REPROACH FOR THE TRUTH OF CHIRST.

They do not wish to bear the REPROACH OF CHIRST. No one glorifies me when they hear what God gave me. They all, almost all, attack me as some kind of evil thing. Go see the evil spoken against me in Bro Bryans site. And that is mild to what I have received at some others. I have been called every evil in the books simply for speaking this simple truth, that Jesus is God's son, and not God.

That our sabbath is the Holy Ghost and not some day of the week! I especially get called Jim Jones. That is a favorite with some folks. Just anything to turn people away from me, so they will not hear the truth. it is satan at work.

Many years ago, I prayed and asked God to let the reproaches of HiM fall on me.......the glory of God almost took me out of the room when I said those words........HE HAS ANSWERED IT GREATLY.

I have the worst reputation on the internet......a man told me personally that there is not a church in the land I could stand and teach in. he is surely right. but it matters not......God told me get out of all of them anyway.

If he wishes for me to minister these great truths anywhere, he will make a way.

But ministers today are HIRELINGS. ...meaning they preach for pay. that is the mark of the beast.....so they KNOW no church is going to pay them to tear down everything they already set their heart to believe.........they will not put up with a minister telling them they have to study for themselves and pray for themselves, and heal the sick themselves.etc. etc.

See? Now I fully understand why God told me that and how it is. No person yet has jumped on this and picked it up, except the very few who really do see the truth also.

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