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| | From:  Claudia5226 (Original Message) | Sent: 11/16/2004 6:13 PM |
I have read the bilble and spoken to so many on this. I read all of John, but main points is as followed: John 3:35 "The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand" John 10:16-19 "...this is why the Father loves me..." Jesus said to Apostles John 14:28 "father greater than I am..." Jesus said John 17:21 It seems Jesus was clear explaining the terms of being "one with the father" He seems to be saying "one" in the way we may say two who are married become as one. "In union " is another phrase. Jesus is in union with the father, always has been obedient and loyal to The Father's will and not his own. John 12:49. He is and must be free to choose (have free will like us and all heavenly beings or they could not have been a rebellion by satan and other angles who were thrown out of heaven. If Jesus is also the Father in human form and not a seperate being, then how can Satan tempt him with the riches of the world (in wilderness)? How could Jesus pray to himself in the Garden before he was arrested? and ask that they be forgiven as they know not what they do? Who was he talking to if not to a highter being, the Father. How could God sit at his own right hand? Please explain. There are so many more that seems to completly contridict the three is one being. Moreover it shows that there is a headship starting with the Father at the top then Jesus. The holy spirit is called the Helper/Comforter and that is just what it is. It is provided by the Father and Jesus seems to have 'authority' to 'request' it be given to certain ones but he always seems to give all the glory to the father. See Acts 3:13 Jesus is called a 'Servant', the most loyal servant. Where am I going wrong? Does this seem accurate? I welcome all responses and scriptural examples. Love, respect and peace to you all, in the name of Jesus Christ Marie |
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| | | From: joie2 | Sent: 11/17/2004 12:46 AM |
Hello Marie, and welcome to Build on the true foundation. We do indeed welcome you. I am glad you have found us and joined us here. I will give you a formal welcome in a bit. Now you are absolutely right in all that you stated. There are very few who understand this truth. Jesus Christ was not God. I know the entire church world today teaches this lie. But they are not accepting the true of the Word of God. That is why we call this Build on the TRUE foundation. There is only one true foundation for His true Church....and that is the confession of Peter......Thou are the Christ, the SON OF THE LIVING GOD. Not once in the Word does anyone confess to believe that Jesus is God. and certainly not that Jesus is the only one. This is anti-christ to deny the Father. The Father is GOD. To be his Son does NOT make one be God......for if it does, then all true Christians, [beloved NOW are we the sons of God]----would be God. Yes, Jesus was God's true SERVANT on this earth. Isaiah is full of this servant of God. He came here to do God's will, not his own will. He obeyed God fully in all things at all times. They, [church folks] would have us believe that Mary is the mother of God, that God died on a cross and went into hell fire, was tempted in all points like as we are [God cannot be tempted]. They just ignore all these plain truths in the Word for a few they do not understand. Jesus was a human man, and is still a human man sitting on the throne of God and ruling now as God himself, for God GAVE Jesus that power and authority. Jesus will not sit upon his own throne until he returns to this earth. Jesus is ONE with God, meaning as you said, in total unity and equality. We are also ALL ONE. That is the truth Christians. We are ALL ONE. NOW LET THE CHURCH FIGURE THIS ONE OUT. Jo, manager. |
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Hello Marie, I also would like to welcome you to 'Build On The True Foundation'. Looks to me like you have a good start in the right direction according to what you have just posted. Seems to be a good understanding who Jesus is. It is as Peter said when Jesus asked him who do you say I am? Peter said unto him, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Thanks for joining in with us and we hope that we will be able to help you with the word and that you can also help us. As joie our manger has stated we like to debate the 'Word' and we give scripture for everything that we teach here on 'Build On The True Foundation'. If we can assist you anyway please let us know. We have many messages here that will help us all. Feel free to post as you see fit, I hope you enjoy your stay here. |
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No where in the entire bible does it ever say that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one, no where does it say that in the word of God. Dare you to read it. |
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No Tom. It says the Father, the WORD, and the Holy Ghost are one. But it says we are all one. also. |
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Dear Jo and Larry. Thanks so much for your kind welcome. This is both an exciting and frightening time to be living in. I am so glad that there are others who are talking about this issue seriously and want to debate and share the wonderful good news. I look forward to lots more. marie |
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Sarah If it does not read that he Father and Son and the holy Spirit, are one, then way does people read and see it that way. If the people see and read it that way then they are taking somethig away from the word of god, and they are adding somthing to the word of God, and Recv 22: 18 and 19 is their picture, I am afraid to add or substract from it, but most peopleare not. |
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| | | From: Isaiah· | Sent: 11/21/2004 12:26 AM |
No Tom, it does not say Father and Son and the holy Spirit, are one. It says, For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. The word SON IS NOT MENTIONED ANY WHERE IN THE SCRIPTURE IN 1Jo 5:7 There all three that bear record in heaven. That’s counting one, two, three, then he shows you what they are-the Father-the Word- the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. He’s not saying that these three became one. The word one means a unity, a harmony, the unity of the faith. Let’s go back to where the Scripture said “we are all one in Christ�? You’re trying to make us be one all in the same person if you’re saying that is what this Scripture means. What it is saying is that these three are in harmony with each other, and that they are in unity with each other. It did not do away with the fact that there were three. It said there were three- one, two, three. The word three does not have that kind of meaning but the word one does. Look up the word one in the dictionary, and you will see it has a lot more meanings than just a digit. 005:008-- �?And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.�?( meaning Holy Ghost, and the water. meaning water baptism. and the blood, talking about the blood of Jesus Christ that cleans us from sin.) “and these three agree in one�?( they agree in this one unity of the body of Christ. That’s how we know that we are children of God, by that witness of the Spirit, Water, and Blood.) |
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Alright Isaiah what do you want to change God's word for,when it says Holy Ghost it means Holy Ghost and not holy spirit. If you want to take the Holy Ghost out and call it the holy spirit then you are going to be lost. If you do not consent to the wholesome words of our Lord Jesus Christ then you are a fool in God's eye read what it says about taking away from and adding to it. |
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Sarah that is one spiritually and not one naturally. |
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The Son does not have to be mentioned every one that has any sense at all knows that the word was Jesus Christ. |
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Isaiah who are you talking to you know that I have never said that the Father and the Word and the Holy Ghost is the same, you are the one that has the word twisted to suit yourself, but it won't twist. |
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PS Isaiah from message twelve no wonder you can't understand the bible if you can't understand what I say. I say it in very simple form. |
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| | | From: joie2 | Sent: 11/29/2004 11:35 PM |
| The Son does not have to be mentioned every one that has any sense at all knows that the word was Jesus Christ.[Tom]
| No Tom. The word was not Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ was not the Word. That is false teaching. The Word of God does not say this. The Word was IN Jesus. Jesus brought us the Word or spoke the Words of The Father to us. But he himself was not the Word. He was a human man. When will people finally see this truth? I doubt many ever will, at least not of this generation. Jo ........show me one verse which says Jesus was the Word or the Word was Jesus. It is not true. |
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| | | From: joie2 | Sent: 11/29/2004 11:38 PM |
Tom, I have never said, and Isaiah has never said that they or we are all one naturally . Of course we know that. That is what we are trying to teach people. Neither was God and Jesus one naturally. They are only One spiritually, just as we are all one spiritually. Jesus himself prayed [John 17} that we will all be ONE......AS.....THEY.....ARE ONE. This is not hard to understand.........why is everyone having such a hard time with this? It is only because they accept lies and will not turn them loose. JO |
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