Tweety, I am doing a message on this.  I am studying it some before placing  anything on this.  It is a good study.  Thanks for starting it.  I will try to do some more on it tomorrow or the next day.

 

Good night.  very much enjoyed talking to you tonight.

 

God bless you and lead you.

me

<NOBR>Eze 31:7</NOBR>	Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters.
<NOBR>Eze 31:8</NOBR>	The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
<NOBR>Eze 31:9</NOBR>	I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.
<NOBR>Eze 31:10</NOBR>	Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;
<NOBR>Eze 31:11</NOBR>	I have therefore delivered him into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out for his wickedness.

<NOBR>Ge 3:24</NOBR>

So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

In my study and search, I found that there is no difference in the terms,  Cast out and drive out or driven out or drove out.

 

Here is the lexicon for this term:

H1644

garash

gä·rash'

drive out, cast out, thrust out, drive away, put away, divorced, driven, expel, drive forth, surely, troubled, cast up, divorced woman

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tweety, what is it that makes you think there is a big difference in these two word meanings?  I find none in either the lexicon or the Websters.  They both say these terms mean the same thing.

Freeborn,

This is why I think that the word "drove out" is far more forcefull in meaning.

Like driving cattle out of a field. They force them in the direction they want to go.

I just believe that God had to drive Adam out, because he refused to go when God said leave the Garden of Eden.  Would you want to leave a garden that God gave you to protect for maybe millions of years? No. Adam had become arrogant in HIS position. Please remember that he blamed God himself for making the women, that gave him the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God had to force him out with force out of that Garden! I bet Adam was fighting God all the way out.

 

Cast out, like in regards to Satan from heaven. God just grabbed him up and threw him out with his 1/3 of his followers. God gave no second thought of it. Satan did not either, because he wanted out. Adam did not want out of the garden. Satan wanted out of heaven.

 

That is my thought. Tweety

Tweety,  self-thoughts will lead you astray everytime.  I know you are sincere,  but we all have to learn NOT TO ADD TO GOD'S WORDS.

 

You cannot find truth by 'thinking' it just might be this way or that.  That is where all false doctrine came from  =  someone thinking it could be this way or that.

 

Now there is NO DIFFERENCE is driving one out and casting one out.    Besides, there is no difference in Adam and Satan.

 

 

Both mean in the Spirit world.  Now you have no Scripture telling you that Satan wanted out of Heaven.  Where did you get that?

 

If you follow the thought   "driving out, or casting out"  all through the Word, you will see that it refers to God's casting the Israelites, sinners, etc  out.  Because this is ADAM being driven out.  iT IS CAIN BEING CAST OUT.  IT IS SATAN BEING CAST OUT.

 

It takes place all the way from the first cast or thrust out  till the very end of time.  See nothing with God is a ONE TIME AFFAIR.  it is not conclusive or all-inclusive.  It is only finished when the END comes.

 

Jo

Where is that flaming sword?  what is its job?  Who has it?

 

I say the flaming sword is in the mouth and hands of the Apostles.  They passed it to me.

 

that is what I say.  The truth of God is the sword.  I have it.

 

Those apostles had that flaming sword. All who came near them, were either brought into the full truth, and thus brought to the tree of life,  or they were cut off.....pruned off the tree.

 

That flaming sword drives the evil ones away.  They cannot get to the tree of life, for they cannot HEAR the truth.

 

That sword drives them out.  When I speak the truth,  it has this same effect, because I am speaking exactly the SAME MESSAGE THOSE APOSTLES HAD.

 

this power is there.  I can go into other groups,  speak one short message,  and it comes apart.  they foam at the mouth.  the managers go into raging fear.  They soon find an excuse to send me back OUT.  They cannot take that flaming sword.

 

They can feel it.  The last group I joined, the man did not even know me,  but he went into some kind of totally irrational fear.  He had to get with another man of darkness and find out what to do with me.

 

Even under a disguised nick,  he felt the power of that sword, and out I was sent.  That flaming sword cuts them out of that Garden.  It  leads others to the tree of life.

 

It will either cut you off, or prune you to bear more fruit.

 

Which is it?  Do you love this flaming sword?  Or do you dispise it?

 

I have it in my mouth and in my hand.

 

Jo Smith

The people can all get together and fight day and night, without a falling out.  they can argur over and over about who is Jesus, is he god or is god three offices, or three titles, or can they divorce and remarry, or have a dozen wives, or sin and still be christian, will they build another temple over yonder,  will they kill that red heffier, is the jews it or not, or anything.

 

They do not care, because they are all wrong.  Not one of them has enough truth to straighten the other out.  They have no sword.  They have no weapon against error, for they themselves are into error.

 

One error cannot correct another error.  so they wrap it up.  It is fine.  They do not care how much they dispute or what they say about each other, because they know that they are all in the same boat.

 

They know that they are all in darkness and error.  They guess at this and suppose that.  None care, because each is just passing out someone else's error.

 

They jump from one idea to another.  then they come back and forth.  They will yell and screem at each other but then come out laughing, because they all know that none of them can help the other, because they are all speaking lies.

 

So they wrap it up.  But let the true flaming sword get into their midst.....and all hell breaks out...they all get into agreement  to send me out of there.

 

so be it.  I have the truth.  I know where they are missing it.  but they will not listen.  I could show them what they pretend to desire to know.  but truth is they all HATE THE TRUTH.

 

Jo

Message 10 ,what a great truth.

 

slain with the sword, which is the word of God   

Yes.  The sword will either cut you off the TREE, or it will prune you to bring forth much fruit.  which will it be?

 

<NOBR>Mt 21:44</NOBR>

And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

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Freeborn,

I was thinking about the tree of Life. Something about the fruit. Did I read or hear correctly? It bears 12 different kinds of fruit? Yup! I was right.

 

Revelation 22:2 (KJV)
² In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

What do you think that is? This tree of life has 12 different manner of fruits. NOt one after its own kind. Interesting. Tweety

Hi Tweety.  Yes.

 

And I have just finished doing a lot of research and typing up an answer to this.  My fingers are about worn out.  hurts to type.

But I wanted to do this while I am alone. Leah will be here shortly.

 

I am fixing to post that message.  Please look for it on the Revelation Board, or the all-topics.

 

Love ye,

Jo