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I am bringing this section of the 'spreaking in tongues' thread to another thread. It is a continuation of that other thread...but that one has gotten so long, I want this message of Isaiah's to be seen [not be hid on a previous section]. Too many of these replies are so good, I want them on a new thread. This one starts with a post from someone who is not actually teaching with us. But I want the next one from Isaiah, which he did in answer to this one, to be studied. So I want it on this new thread.

This is a great lesson on the true way of salvation, so everyone would to well to study both of these threads on tongues. We have many threads on this subject in this Bottf. When I find some more, I will move them to this salvation board also.

From: Isaiah

Sent: 11/7/2003 11:22 AM

dokimosDotOrg

Spirit filling does not necessarily have to result in tongues at any time, including even the first time one is Spirit filled. Our article will help explain more fully...(dokimosDotOrg)

well dokimosDotOrg, just tell me how did you and who gave you the authority to say what the word of God says not. Did God take the keys away from Peter and the apostles and give them to you? Seems to be that way, because you seem to know such more than the apostles. Why would we need your article which is man's way when we have the 'Word' which is God. Makes no since to me. God gave us what we have in the word. We got it from no false article.

For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
THIS IS THE REST WHEREWITH YE MAY CAUSE THE WEARY (WHO? THE WEARY TO FIND REST.
THIS WHAT? THIS STAMMERING LIPS; THIS ANOTHER TONGUE -- IS THE REST WHEREWITH YE MAY CAUSE THOSE WHO ARE WEARY AND HEAVEN LADEN ...........TO FIND REST.

On the Day of Pentecost, all those who were filled with the Holy Ghost spoke with tongues as the Spirit gave utterance.

In Samaria, many people were filled with the Holy Ghost when Peter and John laid hands on them in prayer. They also spke in tongues because Simon the sorcerer saw evidence that made him know they had received the Holy Ghost. The evidence was so remarkable that he offered the apostles money to buy the gift of bestowing the Holy Ghost on others through the laying on of his hand.

Acts 10 tells of Peter's preaching the gospel in the home of Cornelius, an Italian soldier. "While Peter yet spoke these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as come with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God" (Acts 10:44-46).

Acts 19:1-7 tells us that twelve disciples of John the Baptist were filled with the Holy Ghost and spoke with tongues.

19:1- And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

19:2 - He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

19:3 - And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

19:4- Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

19:5- When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. ( This is also showing how they baptized. They baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. There is no salvation in any other name.

19:6 - And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

19:7 - And all the men were about twelve.

Will you be among those who dare to believed God, who dare to yield completely to Him? Why do you refuse this wonderful experience of the stammering lips and another tongues. This is the way God speaks to his people showing that they have the Holy Ghost. This is what God has chosen. Why do you want to fight against something God has chosen? Better watch your step because you are fighting God.

"The promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call " (Acts 2:39

From: joie

Sent: 11/7/2003 1:19 PM

It is just the sillest thing to me in this whole wide world for people to say that because we receive it by faith, that does away with any 'feelings' of it. How silly can one get? How would we like it if God gave us a sweet baby but fixed it so we could not enjoy the wonderful 'feeling' of holding that baby in our arms.

How silly it would be if God told us to make love with our mate and reproduce the world with people, but fixed it so we could never 'feel' that wonderful thing called love-making.

It is just the same with Jesus 'knowing' us. It is a kind of 'marital relationship'.

Thank God for letting me FEEL His glory in my soul and on my body and in front of me; in back of me; filling the whole room where I worship.

And some here say it is always associated with fast, jivy misic. Well let me clear up that lie right now. I worship each day right here all alone; no music playing and His glory comes on me almost time I start worshiping evey time.

I speak in tongues; sing in tongues; do all kinds of 'crazy' things here all alone in the Spirit. I would not trade this glory for everything in this world.

Praise His holy name.

Many people are accusing Peter of telling it wrong to those people who asked him how to be saved? He said repent and BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS AND BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST.

HE COMMANDED CORNELIUS AND HIS HOUSEHOLD TO BE WATER BAPTIZED THIS WAY AFTER THE HAD RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST.

SEE, IT TAKES BOTH TO MAKE UP THE ONE ACT OF 'SAVED'.

Hi Docomos. It is good to have you here again. Thank you for joining in this discussion. Now here is a quote from your post:

Neither should the cessationists by their saying that many of the experiences in Acts were unique and never to be repeated, such as the receiving of the Spirit sometime after salvation.

Where does the Word teach that this ceased? It does not. Where does it say this was a unique experience, never to be repeated? Peter said it was for all whom God would ever call. That settles it for me. I believe Peter above any people of today. He wrote God's Word. It seems to me that you are disagreeing with this lie of cessation. I hope that is what you mean. I think it is; so my answers are really not to you; I am just using your words to express more on this.

Here is another quote from you:

1 Corinthains 14:2-4

verse 2...
For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Now if no man understands the tongue speaker it is evident that the tongue is in an unknown language.

Yes, the word "tongue" means language but there is a contextual use of the word, just as love "agape" has a textual meaning as expressed throughout the New Testament. Therefore, you cannot exclude a language only God can understand from the meaning of the word "tongue".

If no man understands this tongue, and it is speaking mysteries, then it has to be a Heavenly language and not an earthly language. Where are we taught that it is wrong to edify oneself? Besides this is speaking of the gift of tongues which some receive AFTER RECEIVING THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST. THIS IS A GIFT ITSELF.

IT IS NOT THE GIFT OF TONGUES; IT IS THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST. THIS IS A TOTAL DIFFERENT ACT THAN THE GIFT OF TONGUES.

You cannot use the way the gift of tongues is used to explain how the gift of the HG is given. When Paul said the gift of prophecy is greater, it only means that it edifies more people. It is not saying one gift is better or that one person is more spiritual as most people try to make this be saying.

I also quote this from you post:

We at dokimos ( http://dokimos.org ) for example are Vineyard. We believe all believers are Spirit baptized into the body of Christ. What Pentecostals describe as Spirit Baptism we know to be Spirit filling. Spirit filling does not necessarily have to result in tongues at any time, including even the first time one is Spirit filled.

Then do you think that Simon the soccor who is said to have believed and also received water baptism, do you think he was baptised into the body of Christ? I think not. If so, then Peter told him wrong.

Do you then think the devils who believe are baptized into the body of Christ?

Now if the great Apostle Paul asked people who had believed IF THEY HAD RECEIVED THE HG AFTER THEY BELIEVED, THEN THIS IS ENOUGH TO PROVE FOREVER THAT THIS IS POSSIBLE AND THE WAY IT HAPPENS.

BELIEF COMES FIRST, THEN REPENTANCE, THEN THE BAPTISM OF THE HG AND WATER BAPTISM IN WATER IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST; THERE IS NO OTHER WAY OF SALVATION RECORDED IN THE WHOLE WORD. PEOPLE HAD BETTER QUIT TRYING TO MAKE UP THEIR OWN DOCTRINE AND GET BACK TO BELIEVING AND ACCEPTING GOD'S WRITTEN WORD AS THE ONLY AND RIGHT WAY.

Now to be filled with the HG can occur again and again AFTER the initial Baptism. The apostles had this also.

A THING DOES NOT HAVE TO BE REPEATED EACH TIME IT IS MENTIONED TO BE TRUE. GOD ONLY REQUIRES , AT THE MOST , THREE [3] WITNESSES FOR A DOCTRINE TO BE ESTABLISHED AS TRUE.

You know that the Word gives the three required witnesses, Acts 2, Acts 10, and Acts 19 to establish that this is the way the Baptism is known to have come in. That is ALL that is necessary to be established doctrine. To say other wise amounts to calling God himself a LIE. Do you dare? I do not. I accept the three witnesses that when one receives the Baptism of the HG they WILL WITHOUT EXCEPTION SPEAK IN TONGUES.

IT MATCES THE PROPHECY GIVEN BY THE PROPHET, ISAIAH IN 28 THAT THIS IS THE REST TO THE SOUL FROM GOD.

All who deny this is calling God's whole word a lie. If there are three written verses saying that when people received the Baptism of the HG they speak in tongues, then it is established forever to be the only correct way.

Better accept the written word of God and quit listening to wolves in sheep clothing with their subtile tongues rebuking God's chosen way of salvation.

Satan has made up a whole false way of salvation since the day of Pentecost. It is denied to people of our day by the wolves. But God gave it to me the Pentecostal way.

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