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Salvation : Conversion of the bondchild
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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22  (Original Message)Sent: 8/7/2006 9:42 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 12/12/2005 1:54 PM

~~ Conversion of the Bondchild ~~ By: Jo Smith*** Dec. 12, 2005

Today I was studying for a message God has given me on the Seven heads of the Beast. I began to read some in Genesis 21. Here God gave me an astonishing revelation which I have never heard or thought before. So before I attempt to write on those seven heads, I wish to write this delightful little message.

We all know that the firstborn represents the law, Adam, death. We know that the youngest represents the New Testament salvation or Pentecost. But I think we all missed this. The NT started out with all bondchildren! That is bondchildren being converted.

Yes, Peter, John, James and all the rest had been under that bondage of law until God opened their ‘eyes�? All down through the age of ‘church�?bondchildren have been able to come into Grace and receive freedom. God had even told the evil Cain that he would be accepted if he would do well. All who refuse this offer of salvation will be cast out of the Paradise of God and into that lake of fire. It is not God’s will for any to perish.

Abraham was the Father of the righteous and of many nations. Notice that he circumcised Ishmael the same as Isaac. Ge 17:17 Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear? 17:18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

Isaac represents Jesus, the younger. God’s everlasting covenant was established with Jesus or grace. But notice that Abraham had interceded to God for Ishmael and God heard this prayer and answered it. He blessed Ishmael and made a great nation of him. Ishmael has a double ‘type�?in Scripture. I never knew the one I am showing in this message until today. Thank God for feeding me his word.

We all know that Hagar and Ishmael type the bondchildren or those under that bondage of law. But they also show or type the bondchildren who repent and are converted. This is the glory God revealed to me today. They also type the ‘mockers�?who are cast out of God’s presence. Peter said in the last days mockers will come. They were there at the Day of Pentecost, mocking those who spoke in tongues who had been weaned from the breast of mama law.

Ge 21:1 And the LORD visited Sarah as he had said, and the LORD did unto Sarah as he had spoken.

Ge 21:2 For Sarah conceived, and bare Abraham a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him. 21:3 And Abraham called the name of his son that was born unto him, whom Sarah bare to him, Isaac. 21:4 And Abraham circumcised his son Isaac being eight days old, as God had commanded him. The birth of Isaac represents the birth of Jesus. The bondwoman had borne her child first. Then the freewoman (NT Grace) bore her child. Both Isaac and Jesus were circumcised on the eighth day, showing that Jubilee of freedom which came on the fiftieth year or Pentecost. They had the ‘body�?of sins cut off.

Ge 21:8 And the child grew, and was weaned: and Abraham made a great feast the same day that Isaac was weaned. Ge 21:9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking. Ge 21:10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son: for the son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac. The child growing shows Jesus growing up under that law time. But when he became of age, he was ‘weaned�?from the breast of that ‘mother�? God made a ‘feast�?on this day = the Day of Pentecost. On this day or great feast of the Spirit and Word, the ‘mockers�?mocked them saying they were drunk. So the freemother said send those bondchildren or mockers away, for they will not be heir with my son.

Ge 21:11 And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son. Ge 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called. Ge 21:13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.

Here we find that Abraham grieved and did not wish to send Ishmael away. We find in Hosea that God also grieved for the idolatrous Ephraim. We see David grieving for the dead Absalom. We know that God grieved over the wayward Adam and Cain. God did not wish for any to perish.

But see that God told Abraham to listen to the words of Sarah for she had the revelation in this instance. We are each to submit to the other in the Lord. Women and men may have the Word of the Lord.

Ge 21:14 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away: and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.

Here Abraham gave Hagar and Ishmael some bread and a ‘bottle�?of water and sent them away to wander in the ‘wilderness�?of ‘confusion�? Those who go away from the freewoman, Grace, will be in confusion. Hagar put the bottle on her shoulder. This shows being under the works of the law. Those who labor for their idols are said to carry him on their shoulders. This ‘bottle�?of water represents the law. In the law was a tiny bit of food and water. But for the most part it was only bondage and death. It was that tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It was works, which they had to ‘carry�?on their own shoulder. They were a cow yoked under the bondage of another cow, no freedom.

Ge 21:15 And the water was spent in the bottle, and she cast the child under one of the shrubs.

Notice all the water in this bottle of law ran out. It was not sufficient for their needs. It only got them started on their journey of life. It soon ran out. So she felt sure they were going to die here in this wilderness without any food or water. She dreaded to see the child die, so she cast him under one of the shrubs there. This is a type of ‘casting�?all your care upon Jesus for He cares for you.

Ge 21:16 And she went, and sat her down over against him a good way off, as it were a bowshot: for she said, Let me not see the death of the child. And she sat over against him, and lift up her voice, and wept.

This is a glorious verse and revelation here. Hagar did not want to see her child DIE. So she went a good way off and sat down. It said it was a ‘bowshot�?away. Now what does this ‘bowshot�?show? In Revelation, under that first seal, when Jesus starts out to conquer the world and bring it under subjection to him, his first move is with his ‘bow �? The OT folks were a ‘bowshot�?away from Jesus at this point. This is showing those whom Jesus conquered with his bow. They are the bondchildren who came in after the Day of Pentecost, after they see that the ‘life�?is gone from the OT or Law. They came to understand that all food and water has gone from that old covenant, and that they will surely die if they continue there. So they turned to Jesus and received LIFE, his living Water from his Well of Living Water. He gave them food from heaven.

Next Hagar shows a broken and contrite heart as she humbled herself and lifted up her voice and WEPT. This moves the heart of God. Ge 21:17 And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.

Hagar’s weeping reached the ears of God. He heard the voice of the lad. The angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven. Now when God speaks to anyone out of heaven, this person is now God’s child. When God speaks from heaven it shows that God has moved for you and into your life and opened the doors of heaven to accept you and bring you into eternal life. This is the very same kind of happening which Jesus experienced at his baptism, when God opened the door of heaven and spoke to him.

Notice he then told Hagar “fear not�? Notice this is the greeting the angel always talked to the people with. This ‘fear not�?is a call into the NT Grace. Under that law, they had to always fear. They had to fear every move they made and they feared the voice of God. Under the NT of Love there is no fear. So here we see that Hagar has been accepted and called into Grace or life, where all fear is removed. Glory! See God had heard Ishmael. There was now nothing to fear or ail over. Praise His Holy Name forevermore. Remember God had promised Abraham that He would be with Ishmael and make of him a great nation. Here God is keeping that promise.

Ge 21:18 Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation.

Notice here that God gave Hagar something to do. Arise. This shows resurrection and also coming out of that bondage of law into the freedom of grace. Lift up the lad in thine hand. See here she is set up as a freewoman, able to give life to her child. God here passes his promise to Abraham onto Hagar. I will make him a great nation.

Ge 21:19 And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the bottle with water, and gave the lad drink.

Now this is marvelous. It is the conversion of the bondchildren. God opened her eyes. This shows enlightenment or coming into the understanding of God and grace or life. Before this she was still under the blindness brought onto all the bondchildren by their father, Adam. Before this all the ‘water�?or life she had was in that little ‘bottle�? Now she sees a WELL OF WATER. This well of water is the Words of Jesus. She now is brought into salvation by grace. Next, she rose up and went to work drawing this water out of that well. She is now a New Testament Christian. Wow! She now is as that woman at the well. She is the daughters of Jerusalem, drawing from that Well of living Water. She FILLED that bottle with this new water. Thus she was filled with the Holy Ghost. Then she performed the work of a NT Minister, she went and gave this living water to her son.

Ge 21:20 And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer.

God was now with Ishmael. He dwelt in the wilderness, but now it is not the wilderness of confusion. It is the wilderness into which the woman who birthed the manchild goes into. It is the wilderness of new territory with God or new revelation of grace. This is where she is fed from the face of that serpent, law.

Becoming an archer represents being one of those NT ministers who use that bow under that first seal. They are the ministers conquering the world for Jesus. The Bondchild has come home to God and been converted from his sins. Now last, but not least, Ge 21:21 And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt.

His mother took him a wife out of Egypt, the world. This types Joseph down in Egypt as he is set up to rule under ‘God�? This Egyptian wife represents the Gentiles or sinners who become converted to Jesus.

Ge 17:15 And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be. Ge 17:16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.

Sarah here represents Eve, the Mother of us all. Eve was mother of both the bondchildren (fleshly) and she was the Mother of the Righteous. She is the Mother of all LIVING. It is truly appalling to hear the lies and ungodliness men teach against our Holy Mother because of lies of a lying prophet who claimed to be an OT Prophet, Elijah. Now any person who knows Scripture knows that the Law and Prophets were only UNTIL John the Baptism. After that, the kingdom of God is preached.

So to go back to an old testament prophet, such as Elijah, would be doing away with Jesus and going back to the law or flesh and denying the kingdom of God, which came AFTER John. God said he spoke in times past to the fathers by the prophets, BUT in these LAST days (NT times) speaks to us by his Son. So to say we had an OT prophet is to flat deny Jesus or the Word of God. Jesus himself identified this Elijah of Malachi four as being John the Baptist, thus staying true to the word of God, that the law and prophets were until John. It denies NT Children, who are free, and can receive from God for ourselves. We are not under bondage to have to hear a prophet. We are spiritual and receive from Jesus.

So then both Eve and Sarah represent the NT Mother, Grace, or Jesus. So to speak evil of them is to speak evil against Jesus or Grace. When Hagar wept over her son and did not wish to see him die, this also shows Eve as she wept and grieved over her righteous son, Abel. When Seth was born, Eve said God has given me another SEED in place of ABEL whom Cain slew. So this proves that Eve was the mother of the righteous SEED, Jesus. So this solidly places Eve as the Mother of the righteous. Now I want to show you a great revelation here concerning this..0

Ge 17:18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!

When Abraham heard the prophecy of Isaac, who would be born by Sarah (the righteous), he had a blind spot here at this time. He only knew of the FLESHLY children. He only know of the children of Adam, the human bodies. See then that Adam was the father of the flesh. Eve was the mother of the flesh. Adam and Eve gave birth to all the fleshly people who ever live. At this time Abraham thought it was only in the flesh that any can live. So he felt a bit of doubt as to the birth of a spiritual son. So he interceded to God for this fleshly life. God heard this prayer and granted that we never will lose our human bodies. But notice that there has to be more in order for this human body, or the children of the wicked one, Adam, to live eternally.

This human flesh is actually the bondchild. That is why we as Christians must still keep this body in subjection or bondage to our inner man, Christ. If we live in this outer man, or flesh, the first man Adam, we will die. The second man Adam is the Lord from Heaven. So it is spiritual. So there must be a birth of a spiritual MAN as well as a birth of the flesh man. Now this spiritual man had to have a Mother also. Eve was that Mother. We know this is true for she said Abel and Seth were her SEED. Adam did not claim either of them. Adam is not said to be the father of the righteous. Abraham is.

So when God saved Ishmael and Hagar, it shows that the flesh man may receive life from Grace and live. All who live in their flesh and refuse this inner man, Christ, will then be lost forever, as bondchildren who did not repent and come to this well of living water. So Abraham was calling out for the salvation of our outer man, the human flesh. This was granted to him. So in the resurrection, this bondchild, flesh, will be raised up to life. Thus the sons of Adam and the Sons of God will be united into one and this is the marriage, or eternal life. Eve was the mother of both the flesh man and the spiritual man. Jesus Christ is HER SEED WHICH BRUISES THE HEAD OF SATAN, ADAM, FLESH.




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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 8/7/2006 9:43 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 12/12/2005 6:03 PM

(Part two)

Remember that when Jesus asked Peter who do you say that I am, Peter answered, thou art the Christ, the Son of the Living God, then Jesus had said to Peter, and I say unto you, that thou art Peter and upon this Rock I will build my church.

Now this shows that it is necessary that not only do you know who Jesus is, but Jesus must also know you and call you by name. Several places in the Word shows this thing of God calling you by name. So watch this: Ge 21:17 And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar?

Now see here that God called to Hagar out of heaven (a sure sign that she belongs to God) and called her by name. This clinches it that Hagar now belongs to the Church of the Living God. Hagar was only a bondmaid. She did not have any of the privileges of the Wife. Even though she had produced the firstborn son of Abraham, she was still only Sarah’s bondmaid.

It shows that our first or outer man is the bondservant. It also shows that the Gentiles were not a part of that nation of God. They were ‘out of it�?so to speak. So Hagar and her son type the Gentiles and our outer man, the first Adam. But see that when God called to her out of heaven and called her by name, this shows that now the Gentiles, the bondmaids and the first man Adam have all been redeemed by the Saviour. She types all wives who are to be set free.

But see when that year of Jubilee came, all the bondmaids and servants were to be set free. So this happening to Hagar and Ishmael here is the perfect type of this release of all the servants. Now Hagar and Ishmael are just as free as Sarah and Isaac. But see that the everlasting covenant was with Isaac, which types the Spirit or Christ. It was not made with Adam or the flesh. So in order to be brought into the inner courts, or the Spirit or heaven, then we must live after the inner man, the Christ. That is what Sarah and Isaac show, this spiritual man or the Holy House from Heaven.

But Hagar and Ishmael show that our flesh will also be redeemed and then there will be no more servants or handmaids. In the NT age, everyone is supposed to be set free, for Jesus already died and brought us that wonderful release or Jubilee.

 But we see that almost everyone is rejecting this release of the ‘servants and handmaids�?and holding them still in bondage. God will punish all who refuse to set the prisoners free. If a husband refuses to set the wife free and on equal grounds with himself, then he is doing wrong and will be punished for this wrong. Plus this hinders their prayers and therefore their power with God.

Now this hinders the going forth of the showing of the great power of God which came in the NT age. We are all to be ministers for God. It is not for just a few select men as they would have us to believe. That five-fold ministry they talk so much about is for all of us. There is not one child of God which is excluded in this. There is not one Child of God which cannot receive revelation and gifts of the Spirit from God. See that Hagar was the one set to take that water of ‘life�?to Ishmael?

 She represents here the new move of Jesus as He sent Mary out with that first message of ‘deliverance�?of the resurrection of Jesus. He told her to take this ‘water�?to my disciples and tell them. See here he set those handmaids of the OT FREE and raised them up to the status of sons of God.

Now they are just as much ministers of God as anyone. If any church or husband refuses to allow this, they in rebellion against the Word of Jesus and God. They will receive for this wrong and will themselves be brought into bondage, for you will reap what you sow.

So there is so much more into this thing about Hagar and Ishmael that we ever dreamed. I thank God today for giving this lowly ‘handmaid�?of God this great revelation. I pray someday he will open doors for me to minister these great thing to His people. If not then may he raise up others with this truth who will tear down those walls of lies Babylon has built up. AMEN.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 8/7/2006 9:46 PM
From: Isaiah Sent: 12/14/2005 9:22 AM
Another very good message.

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 12/15/2005 3:05 PM
Thank you, Isaiah.  I am glad you enjoyed it.  I think it is very good also.  Since I wrote it, I came to see that Hagar and Ishmael living there with Sarah and Abraham until the time Isaac was weaned, shows that both the tares and wheat grow together until the harvest.
 
The harvest of the OT came when Jesus was 'weaned' from the breast of the OT law.  This is when he started his ministry.  He told his disciples I sent you to reap that on which you did not sow.   This is showing then that the converts of that early church was the harvest or reaping from that Old Testament.  So then the harvest from the NT sowing has yet to occur!!!!!!
 
So when they sent Hagar and Ishmael away, it showed the separation of the wheat and tares, even though they later became wheat themselves!  what glory!


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 8/7/2006 9:46 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 12/21/2005 7:05 PM

 

   

1 John 1

 1.  That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
 2.  (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
 3.  That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

What is he speaking of here?  That which was 'from the beginning'.  This term, from the beginning, has thrown the whole church world into false understanding.  They go back in their minds to the beginning of a creation.  But that is not what is meant.

Learn to 'READ' what is really said and not just jump over it.

He said (v2) the life was manifested- so he is speaking of something called life which was manifested to them.   He said, "we SAW this".  He said we are bearing witness of it.  Jesus told them you shall be witness of me.  Did he mean the mortal man whom Mary gave birth to?  No, he did not mean this.

For it says, ...and shew unto you that ETERNAL LIFE, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us.

Now see he is speaking of  ETERNAL LIFE.  A life which was with the Father and then manifested unto us.

So that could only be speaking of one thing ~~~  THE RESURRECTED SON OF GOD, JESUS CHRIST.  To him was given glory, power, and eternal life to see death and corruption no more.

See his first life was mortal, corruptible life; not ETERNAL LIFE.  Else he could never have died.

Do you all realize that if someone can and did die, they had to have been mortal?  See, immortality or eternal life CANNOT DIE;  FOR IF IT DID, THEN IT WAS NOT ETERNAL, IMMORTAL LIFE!

Why are people having such a hard time understanding this simple principle of life?

This is also the BEGINNING spoken of in John 1:14.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/26/2007 4:34 PM
Here is that message on the conversion of the bondchildren.  It is so good.  Hope you enjoy it.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/14/2008 2:12 PM
What a lovely and uplifting message this is.  I read it today as I ate Breakfast.  Really enjoyed it.
 
Hope someone will read this and feed on God's beautiful truth.

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