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From: joie  (Original Message)Sent: 9/14/2005 4:23 AM

~ Freedom ~

God is the head of Christ; Christ is the head of the man, the man is the head of the woman.

Jesus OBEYED God, His Father in all things. He said I do only those things which please my Father.

He said I speak not mine own word, but the Father’s which sent me. I seek not mine own will, but that of the Father.

After the resurrection, God gave to Jesus all the same power and authority which God himself has; in so much, that Jesus is called our God. (Heb. 1)

Now, do you see what took place here? God, who is the HEAD (or authority over) Jesus, gave Jesus the same place, power, and authority that God has. He BROKE the yoke off Jesus of being in the place of a servant. Jesus came to this earth as God’s Servant.

But, to be ONE, God broke that yoke, and gave Jesus EQUALITY with himself.

EQUALITY is the essence of Christianity. EQUALITY is CHARITY. This is LOVE another as yourself.

Jesus thought it not ‘robbery�?to be EQUAL with God; for God gave it to him; Jesus did not ‘take�?this power. It was a gift from God.

God is NOT jealous of our worshipping Jesus. God is not jealous of our loving Jesus. In fact, He commands us to do that.

Jesus told his disciples that he would give them the same power He had. He said they could do all the same things Jesus did and more. They proved they had this power. Peter could heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons and teach the Word in power. So could the others.

Paul raised the dead, healed the sick, preached the Word in power, cast out demons, and said His word was God’s Word.

See, Jesus GAVE them the same power he had. He passed on to them, the same power God had given him. Thus they became ONE.

Rev. 3: 21--To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Rev. 2:26---And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

v27--And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: EVEN AS I RECEIVED OF MY FATHER.

So, see that Jesus passed to them, that which he received from His Father.

Now, where is this broken?

The weak link in this chain, comes when the man is told to love his wife as himself and be not bitter against her. The proud, arrogant men, is the one not willing to pass along this chain of authority. He feels himself ‘better�?than God or Jesus; who passed it on down to the one below themselves.

Colossians 3: 14--And above all these things put on CHARITY, which is the bond of perfectness.

v15--And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body: and be ye thankful.

v16--Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom: teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

v17---And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

v18--Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

v19--Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.

 

v20--Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord.

v21--Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged.

Servants, obey in all things, your masters according to the flesh: not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God.

v23--And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;

v24--Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.

v25--- BUT HE THAT DOETH WRONG SHALL RECEIVE FOR THE WRONG WHICH HE HATH DONE; AND THERE IS NO RESPECT OF PERSONS.

Chapter 4

v1---MASTERS, give unto your SERVANTS that which is just and EQUAL: knowing that ye also have a MASTER in heaven.

MASTERS GIVE TO THEIR SERVANTS EQUALITY???????

Yes!!

EQUALITY is the heart of Christianity. EQUALITY is CHARITY. CHARITY IS THE BOND OF PERFECTNESS.

Now, where is this line of giving EQUALITY broken? When it come to the man being the head over the woman.

At the bottom of this line of ‘headship�? the proud, arrogant, man feels himself above listening to a woman. He cannot give her oneness, or equality.

So, this places him there at v25, above, doing WRONG. So, he shall receive for this wrong. For, he refuses to brake the yoke of bondage off his wife’s life. He keeps her in SUBJECTION.

Neither, God, nor Paul, will make either a husband or a master of a servant give those under him their freedom; but they are breaking the line of oneness; and will receive for this wrong.

This is what the husbands are ‘bitter�?about = having to give the wife the same place of authority and freedom that he himself has. He does not love her AS HIMSELF. Indeed, he is taught by other men to keep this woman down; to hate her; to not listen to anything God reveals to her.

When he said for MASTERS to give their servants EQUALITY, it took in every place one was in authority over another. If Jesus were their MASTER; IT IS THE SAME WAY THE HUSBAND IS THE MASTER OVER THE WIFE.

He even said for the men, (father) to deal GENTLY with the children; not to provoke them. How many men do this?

1Peter 3: 7---Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them (the wife) according to KNOWLEDGE, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs TOGETHER of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

The KNOWLEDGE he speaks of here is this knowledge; that he is to release her from that bondage and pass on to her the same place of authority he has. He is to give her EQUALITY.

If he cannot do this, he is doing WRONG and will receive for that wrong. This will cause their prayers to be hindered. They are heirs TOGETHER of Grace. Under Grace she is to be free. It is under law she is COMMANDED TO BE IN OBEDIENCE AND SILENCE. They are to dwell together in LOVE = EQUALITY.

Paul said for one not to defraud another. This is why Paul could not go into a home or church and demand that they give the woman freedom. So, he said, I suffer not the woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the man. Paul could not, himself give the woman this freedom from being in a place of servitude; the man, which is her head, has to concur this himself. She cannot ‘usurp�?or take by force, this freedom.

Now, if he does not, she is still under that command to obey him and keep silent. Go back to the Scripture in Col. and re-read it. She is told to obey. The servant is told to obey. The children are told to obey. BUT THEN HE TOLD THE MASTER to give to them EQUALITY; Else, they are still under the law.

The husband is to follow the pattern of God, who gave his authority to Jesus, then Jesus gave his authority to the Man--- then the man is to give this same authority to the wife. If he does not, he is doing WRONG, and he will receive for that wrong.

That is why Jesus told the woman at the well to call her husband; he was not going to go over the husband and give this woman revelation and let her go tell it to other men; unless the husband allowed it. He showed this thing here; that only the MASTER can give this release from BONDAGE.

Of course Jesus know she had no husband; but he was teaching this truth here. When he saw she had no head (husband) he gave her great revelation and let her go tell it to men. See, she was not in bondage to a husband; she was free.

Read the small book of Philemon. That is what this book is teaching. Philemon had a servant who had been unprofitable and he had run away. Paul met him and converted him to Christ. Paul writes Philemon and said he would have loved to keep Onesimus with him; but he would not do it without Philemon’s approval.

He sent Onesimus back to Philemon and told Philemon to receive him back, not as a servant, but above a servant, as a brother. But he said this is not of NECESSITY, BUT WILLINGLY. See, he could not demand that Philemon set this servant free, and give him EQUALITY; but he said for Philemon to do this willingly.

The whole principal is laid down here: the MASTER IS TO GIVE THE SERVANT EQUALITY. The husband is to give the wife EQUALITY. If he loves her as himself, and if he is obedient to Christ, he will do this. Then, she too, can teach, preach, receive revelation or any other things in Christ. He is NOT to RULE over her: he is to love her and let them be ONE = EQUALS.

My friends, this is the only way to LOVE.

Set the servants FREE. Whom the Son hath made FREE is free indeed. Who are you to keep a daughter of God in bondage to you?

By: Jo Smith  12/23/01



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From: MSN NicknameYehudMarieSent: 9/14/2005 12:13 PM
 
 
 
 
 
Joie...Oh Joie...Do you have any idea why you felt lead to post this particular message?  I am curiouse...Because in my hour of Great need I think Father sent unto me a little angel of Mercy and Grace...Yesterday was a horrible day for me...Many many tears where shed...And the very first scripture of this message is the scripture that was being used to slowly squeeze the life out of me...And and many more of my friends...
I am not even going to go their..
Because right now I could bonce off the rooftops screaming Praise you Jesus ...Praise The Lord...Yesturday I couldnt even find one good thing about being a woman...and I even asked father why in the world did you make me a woman if you intended to put me in such bondage....I couldnt find freedom in Christ being a woman...alls I could see is a mans world...And I could not see why I needed a man of flesh....To be between Father and I...Yesturday I was blind but now I see....
Oh Joie Thank you , Thank you , Thank you... from the bottom of my heart...For pulling me out of that Devils snare....I know God had you put this message on just for me....Amen!!!! ps...I hope it is ok I sent your message on freedom to a few of my friends....I cant wait for them to come into this understanding...Do you have any more on this subject? Thank you Joie...Much Love...Jodi

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From: joieSent: 9/14/2005 6:05 PM
Oh  Jodi,,,,,,,,praise the Lord for you.  Glory!  and you can't possibly know what your sweet words mean to me.
I was feeling so discouraged about my ministry not doing any good at all until I read your words.  So many, almost everyone,  calls me of the devil and such.  Sometimes I feel I am labouring in vein, so far as helping anyone else is concerned.
 
I NEVER DOUBT WHAT GOD HAS TAUGHT ME.
 
and thank you for that gorgious butterfly.  It is so uplifting in its beauty.
 
Yes, dear one, I have several great messages on this subject.  I am very sorry that I have never completed one I felt very led of God to do over a year ago, I guess.  I started it but never finished it.  I keep feeling the pull back to it.  pray for me.  I truly need to finish it.  This shows me how much.
It is called   REJECTING THE JUBLIE.
 
It is about this FREEDOM from Jesus.
 
No one but God will ever know the spiritual tortue I went through about this matter for so many years, because of man's false teachings and misunderstandings of the word.  I kept seeking God and praying and crying before Him until One day He spoke directly to me and told me this bondage is of LAW......NOT OF GOD.
 
I will take some more to you about this later.  I have typed so much for the past few days, that my fingers hurt.  I sit here till I can hardly move.......and then feel I am doing no good.
 
Thank you for taking the time to encourage me.  And May the blessing of heaven fall your way.  and of course,  PLEASE POST ANY OF MY MESSAGES ANYWHERE YOU CAN.  If you can afford it, print them out and give them out.
 
How I do wish some of God's people would get a vision and help send out the LIGHT.
Love to you,
 
Jo
p.s. this is one of the reasons the truth about Adam and Eve are so important today.

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From: MSN NicknameYehudMarieSent: 9/15/2005 7:34 PM
Joie...well dear actually I got a taste of what you must be feeling...after posting your message..I was told that I was being used by devils to destroy this man marriage...Actually I was so thrilled The day I read it that I couldnt wait to share it...I had never been called a devil before ...I was very upset...Just because he interperates scripture different than I..He assumes I am the one with the Devil..But I seen His hidden agenda...He was trying to Force His wife who is my friend into Subbmitting...Forgive the spelling...He was trying to tell me that the onlyway I could be near Father was through a man...It had to follow some kind of order...You know the song and dance so I will spare ya...But you know what I have a question for you that has been nibbling at me...If The Husband is The cover for a woman..Then why does the scripture read That a Wife is The crowning Glory of her husband? Those are my words I havent looked the scripture up yet..and also...notice a woman is to have long hair..yet a man is to remain uncovered....Now why in the world does the woman have the hair if The Guy is her covering...Mabey it is to protect her from satans rambling coming through her husband..little humor....Oh I just dont understand these men that do this to a woman...Thank you for the other message of the woman at the well I am gonna print it off also...God bless You Joie...Love Jodi
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/13/2007 10:14 PM
 
Many men claim that God set Adam to rule over Eve at their very beginning.  This is nothing but lies of men who hate for women to be free .  It is the same old hateful spirit which made Adam rebel against God.
 
I will show you solid proof, for God just brought this to my attention,  proving that in the Beginning they were EQUALS, and Adam knew this.
 
<NOBR>Ge 2:21</NOBR> And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
<NOBR>Ge 2:22</NOBR> And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
<NOBR>Ge 2:23</NOBR> And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
<NOBR>Ge 2:24</NOBR> Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Now see there.  Adam knew the truth.  He knew that they were ONE flesh.

He knew this means being EQUALS.  It means not one of them were to rule over the other, otherwise, they could not have been ONE.

How the world hates this true ONENESS.

Now here is solid proof that Jesus held to this rule for the man and his wife:

<NOBR>Mt 19:4</NOBR> And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
<NOBR>Mt 19:5</NOBR> And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
<NOBR>Mt 19:6</NOBR> Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder


Now see, that Jesus said exactly what Adam said at the beginning.  How could one rule over the other, if they are ONE FLESH?  Can one half of the flesh rule over the other half>  not possible.    If they were ONE, this means there is no difference.

This is why Jesus said with you, my people, it shall not be so....that one rule over the other, for you are all ONE.

Everyone fighting this, is fighting God's Way and what Jesus taught.

Adam hated this, so he turned Eve away from it, by seducing her mind, and taking her under law.  But in the beginning, he knew that they were ONE.  This is how God made them.

I love the way this one is worded:

<NOBR>Mr 10:6</NOBR> But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
<NOBR>Mr 10:7</NOBR> For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
<NOBR>Mr 10:8</NOBR> And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
<NOBR>Mr 10:9</NOBR> What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.


Jesus said,  v8, so they are no MORE twain (two separate ones), but ONE FLESH.

So God just showed me this.  All who fight this equality of male and female again, are separating them, or tearing apart what God joined TOGETHER into ONE.

So if a man insists on ruling over his wife, he has UNJOINED THEM.  He has put her asunder.

Wow.  this is deep.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 5/27/2008 11:49 PM
Take a good read.  It is well worth studying this great message.

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