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| From: joie (Original Message) | Sent: 7/25/2004 11:53 PM | | 1Tim. 4:1--Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils---Speaking LIES in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; v3---FORBIDDING TO MARRY, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. v4---For EVERY creature of God is good, and NOTHING to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving. v5---For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. v6---If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. Now, this plainly shows that those who forbid to marry (as with the popes and priests) is doctrines of DEVILS. This is God's word. Those popes are of the devil. They and the SDA church, who teach to abstain from certain meats, this says they are of the devil. For Jesus cleansed the whole earth; so to say some meat is still unclean is to deny this. So, you can see that this Word exposes both those churches to be teaching doctrines of DEVILS. Now, v6 said if one puts the brethren in remembrance of these things, he or she is a good minister of Jesus Christ; so I ask you, who is doing this right now? JO is | | |
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(I am looking for a message, but keep finding some great ones from way back. I am so glad I found this one. It has a great and true little message about women in the work of Christ. As I said, I do not remember where I found this, but it is so good:) *** | seducing spirit is a woman preacher Rev 2: 20 Her doctrine is a doctrine of the devil But of course you know what I would say about it. It condemns you Joie | Reply
| | | From: joie | Sent: 7/26/2004 12:19 AM | | Tom, how sad that you have not learned yet that this is speaking of the 'CHURCH'. Yes, this entire church system of today is this Jezebel woman. The MEN ministers in these churches are the 'women' who are seducing God's people. They have seduced you. It is certainly odd that I had just copied this little message which I found on one of my disk, [it is not my message; I do not remember where I picked it up or who wrote this, but I had intended to place it on as a new message. But since I found your little sneer at me first, and it is so appropriate for this, I will just post it right here. This little message will give us a good starting place to discuss this important issue. :
Jesus is the Messiah. And you men, are his BRIDE! You should not teach others the things of the spirit. Jesus should be the teacher. If you keep this argument on the side of the flesh, Satan wins the victory! Spirit law is what we that know Jesus, go by. But many of you don't know Jesus with your hearts, or you would not be saying women should not preach. There is neither MALE OR FEMALE in the spiritual side of this issue. Going further than flesh thinking. The most important person in the Church is the one who walks into it and is lost. GET YOUR EYES OFF WOMAN AND PUT THEM ON THE LOST SOUL! Does the hope of your calling tell you that you are to snatch the unsaved from the fire? Would God use the foolish things of this world to confound the wise? Man... MAN! YOU BRIDE OF CHRIST! Get your eyes off of yourself you Bride, GET IT ON JESUS! Stop you preaching of the flesh, you are a woman, MAN. Why do you think Paul referrs to you as Bride? If you get tripped up on this, then your teaching does not come from Jesus and the Holy Spirit. It is Anti-christ teaching. You are Anti-christ when you follow the law of man. You do harm to the Church and the lost will walk away unsaved. Will the foolish preaching of woman snatch the unsave from the fire? YES! | | ************** |
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(These are some poweful and true messages concerning this very controversal matter of women in the Work of Christ:) ********* | From: joie | Sent: 7/26/2004 12:29 AM | | They that are led of the Spirit, they are the SONS OF GOD. 1John 3:1--Behold what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the SONS OF GOD. v2--Beloved, now are we the SONS OF GOD... v3--every MAN that hath this hope in HIM purifieth HIMSELF, even as he is pure...... John 1:12--But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the SONS OF GOD, even to them that believe on his name.... Now Tom, in light of all these verses, it would appear that God only has salvation for MEN humans, right? In your 'honest' oppinion, do you believe that only men can be saved? Can ONLY MEN believe in him and receive power to become children of God? God speaks of all mankind here; not just males. When he speaks of that woman in Rev. he is speaking of all mankind there also. Now we are ALL (men and women)-- sons of God. We are all (men and women) bride to Jesus = women. We are all sons of God -----we are all wife to Jesus----we are all men----we are all women----we are all Adam;----we are all Christ----we are all the same. There is neither male nor female in CHRIST. Now the fact that you cannot accept sisters in Christ, proves you are not in Christ. For if you were, you would not make this distinction in humans beings. we are all ONE. | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 7/26/2004 12:37 AM | Under the law, women were under the 'yoke' of bondage; placed on her because of the sin in the garden of Eden. Isa. 58:6---God chose a fast acceptable to him which was to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke. When Jesus resurrected, he appeared FIRST to a woman: he then commissioned HER to be the very FIRST person to CARRY the blessed MESSAGE that He had risen. This is where He called her to carry the message. She MINISTERED His WORD to his disciples. Acts 2:16, 17---But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; and it shall come to pass in the LAST days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your DAUGHTERS shall prophesy, ... V18--AND ON MY SERVANTS AND ON MY HANDMAIDENS I WILL POUR OUT IN THOSE DAYS OF MY Spirit; and THEY shall prophesy. Romans 16:1--I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a SERVANT of the church which is at Cenchrea; Check out this word 'servant' in the concordance---you will find that this is the only time this particular word was translated as 'servant'. It means she was the pastor and teacher of that church. Paul stated that many women laboured with him in the MINISTRY. Jesus broke that 'yoke' off women, in the NT. Those churches putting themselves back under the law; could not let their women teach; for under the law it was forbidden. But those of us who accept the grace and not law, we are free; in Christ there is neither MALE NOR FEMALE. We can all minister the Word of God. I will try to do a message soon, on the 5th trumpet; this is the judgment ministry of the second witness; it shows both men and women in this ministry. God bless all you women in Christ; preach the Word. You are free. If not, you are still under the penalty of that sin; you will not have salvation. Mary spoke the word of God; Elizabeth spoke the Word of God; Phillip had four daughters who prophesied. There were even women prophetesses in the OT. Jo | Reply
| | | From: joie | Sent: 7/26/2004 12:43 AM | The message said that the 'preaching' of a woman could save the lost. That is Scripture: by the foolishness of 'preaching' he chose to save the lost. This preaching is just as effective from a daughter of God as from a son. I ask you, where did any man save the unsaved? You are resorting to vain babblings; because you do not want to accept the obvious truth: which is God said we are all ONE in Christ Jesus: he does not see a 'male' or a 'female' : He sees ONE NEW MAN, CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS; THE BODY OF CHRIST; OF WHICH WE ARE ALL MEMBERS; MEMBERS OF ONE GREAT BODY; THE MAN CHRIST JESUS. I ask you what do you think ordained means? It is merely a commission from the Lord to carry his word. Now, for the Scripture where Jesus, himself, ordained a woman to carry the very first message of the resurrection: Mark 16:6---(this is an angel of God talking to Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Salome, (three women)---And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him. v7---But GO YOUR WAY, TELL HIS DISCIPLES AND PETER that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you. Now, this angel ORDAINED three women to preach the first message to His disciples and PETER. So, isn't that strange that the one you call the first POPE received his knowledge of the resurrection from WOMEN. Now, read John 20----It says that Mary Magdalene went to the sepulcher while it was still dark and found the stone taken away. Then she ran and told Peter and John: then they both ran and looked into the open tomb: they neither saw the angels or Jesus: now mind you, both the angels and Jesus were there; they both knew that Peter and John were there: yet neither one appeared to these men. The word (v10)--said both disciples went away again unto their own home. v11--But Mary stood without weeping: she looked in and saw two angels and they both spoke to her> Now, I ask you, why did they not speak to Peter and John? Why did they not appear to them? I tell you why: because Mary and Elizabeth had both prophesied that Jesus would regard the LOW ESTATE of women and lift them up and bring them of high degree (men) down. Jesus is now fulfilling this Word of God. Then Jesus himself appears to Mary: v17---he says to her: go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father , and your Father; and to my God and your God. Now, people, here is where Jesus himself, ordained a woman to tell of his ascension back to God. This is the very first time a human knew of this matter. She is the very first one to receive this revelation and commission to go tell it. Now, what more is required for ordination? Jo | | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 7/26/2004 12:54 AM | Galatians 3: 2. This only would I learn from you. Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3. Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now perfected in the flesh? We have come to Christ Jesus where there is not the law of the flesh ; but the law of the Spirit... the "Spirit of Christ formed in us". Some are called by Jesus through the power of the Holy Spirit. If they have no works that follow them, like laying hands on the sick and they shall recover, speaking with new tongue, casting out demons..... not being hurt by poison; they are not called of God, either men or women. Those who have these signs are the woman that Jesus Christ confirms that he has sent out. So some women go and preach with out waiting for the Holy Spirit. Yes, they are the ones who are on the flesh side of the law. They should not be preachers or teachers. The same is true of men. If they don't have signs following them, confirmed by Jesus Christ himself, they are not sent out with the power of the Holy Spirit. They should not be preachers. If your Popes and priests and your pastors and other preachers do not have the signs PROVING that God is with them, they are not sent of God. But, those of us who have these signs, both men and women (for in Christ there is neither male nor female)--are the called and sent of Jesus. I have both spoken in tongues, interpreted tongues, prayed for and healed sick folks, had snakes in my arms and at my feet without harm to me (they were poisonous snakes); God even raised back to life a dead bird which I prayed for. Now, tell me, does your pope and men preachers have these signs? If not, they are not of Jesus. This is what you go by and test the person by; not whether they are male or female; God does not see that; for it is FLESH. YOU SHOULD GET TO THE SPIRIT. Get out of the flesh. In the Spirit, there is neither male nor female; they that are led of the Spirit are not under the law (the flesh). Now there is why you think women can not speak their Father's Word; you are under the law: in the flesh. There is no salvation there. So tell me, can you answer Galatians 3:2&3? For Paul says in Galatians that the flesh means nothing. You do know that this is a flesh battle about women preachers? It is Jesus who justifies us by the Spirit. A woman who has received the Holy Spirit and Jesus tells her to go out, needs to obey Jesus. | |
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| | | Jezebel was just anoither false prophetess who met her fate just as all you false prophets and prophetess's will 1 tim 6: 3 if any man(woman) teach other wise and consent not to wholesome words even the words of our Lord Jesus 4" 1 he is proud knowing nothing. Now get away from what The Lord Jesus said in Rev 2: 20 A honest person will take what the bible says a dishonest one will not consent to wholesome words | | Reply
| | | Dare you to read that jezebel is a church | | |
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| Jezebel is the very same in prophecy as is Babylon = false religion. False religion is what has deceived all of mankind since the very beginning of time. Your lack of knowledge of the Word is a result of having this false-church spirit. There are too many women ministers mentioned in the word of God for anyone to come to such a conclusion, that God does not want us women christians to minister his word to the world. How could a true Christian want at least HALF of all Christians to remain silent while this whole world is lost and headed to hell? I stand solid on the truth of God's Holy word. No one can find where I cross the Word. I say exactly what the Word says. Jezebel is the false church, of which you are a member in good standing! Jo | Reply
| | | sobeit Jezel was a wicked woman in the old testament, and not a symbol of any church. Don't let Joie blind you of the truth. | | Reply
| | | From: joie | Sent: 8/6/2004 10:35 PM | | Tom, I happen to be sobit. You are behind times. I manager here as the sobit and not as joie; for someone in here has my password to the joie e-mail. They come in here as me when I leave myself manager as joie. For this reason I set up another e-mail and joined in here as sobit to manage with this one. That way my imposter cannot sign in as the manager for they do not have that password. Now, let me ask you a serious question-----please take the time to give this some deep thought and give me a Scriptural answer.........>>>>> If the Scripture in Rev. in the letter to that church is speaking of the OT Jezebel, then please tell us HOW THIS OT JEZEBEL WAS OVER HERE IN THE NT TEACHING AND SEDUCING THAT CHURCH? Now when you can answer that , just maybe you will start to learn a little something. Meanwhile, do not ever read the prophecies given out by Mary, Elizabeth, Hannah, Huldah, and many other women. For after all, they were prophetesses giving out the WORD OF GOD. SO DON'T READ IT. IT MIGHT SEDUCE YOU SINCE THEY WERE WOMEN SPEAKING GOD'S WORD. | | Reply
| | | Jezebel in the OT was an evil spirit in that she manipulated others and situations to get what she wanted for herself and others. She was a seducing spirit of which today people speak of the "Jezebel spirit" controlling a person and them not even knowing it. (do they call it PMS? ha..) Since she was female, many people relate this spirit to females, but a man can be affected by a "Jezebel spirit". Thrown to the dogs and left in the streets is where she ended. In Revelation 2 she is mentioned again as coming to no good end; again, still deceiving people for her own benefit. A bad spirit even in a church, in a people, in a person must be cast out as Jesus taught us the best way to understand the Kingdom of Heaven through His Gospel of truth and a way of life....to life....for life. Love, Spiritwalker | | Reply
| | | From: joie | Sent: 8/9/2004 12:14 AM | | Yes.......... a beautiful and very true message, Spiritwalker. Good understanding there. | | |
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(Here is some more false teachings, which I proved wrong with the Word of God: [how men do hate that God uses women!] ) ************* | Where did you get the term " helpmeet' ? The Scripture clearly says " ... I will make an help meet for him." Ge.2 :18. It does not say ' helpmeet ' it says ' help meet '. Note the space! It means an ' help good for Adam '. Not to " help lead him " , no , rather to work along side him. To be a companion, friend, confident, a mate for procreation, in essence, a WIFE. Adam did not HATE the fact God made Eve to be his equal. Adam understood that the woman was " made for the man, not the man for the woman. " Sin came into the world by Adam, yes , even though Eve was in the transgression, sin was imputed to Adam, because he was made first and was to be the Spiritual Guide in marriage. Eve ate and would have been fine, IF Adam had not " Hearkened unto the voice of his wife " instead of the command given to him by God ( before Eve was formed ). I would like to see the word " HELPMEET " in Scripture if you don't mind. You have to pay attention to the WHOLE of Scripture, even the SPACING and PUNCTUATION, or you will get a false doctrine. epe | |
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.....and he said: | Whoa, Jo are you ever on the wrong path. Adam was made , then Eve. Eve was not made to rule, lead or have power over her husband. Where did you get such an idea? She was made to be a help meet ( note the space in Ge. 2 : 18 ) not an helpmeet. Show me the word " HELPMEET " anywhere, you will not find it, instead you find " HELP MEET for Adam ( no space ). She was made to be a good help for Adam with his work, offspring, and spiritual walk. Never was she to be the spiritual leader ( if so, show me ). Adam chose to obey or hearken to the voice of his wife, instead of the voice of God, this is what caused sin to come into the world. If Adam had not eaten of the fruit that Eve gave him, ( If she had the POWER, she would have known better, or perhaps she knew what she was doing in causing Adam to fall into her trap ) then neither he not her would have had sin inputed. Note that sin did not come in because of Eve, but rather , when Adam ate, then God imputed sin. Why ? Because Adam was made first and had the ' Power ', if you wish, and was to be held accountable for his decisions. Why then did God not hold Eve accountable until AFTER Adam gave in to her advances? epe | |
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...my answer: | epe, you are making the very same mistakes most others make, just accepting men's made up stuff. You need to learn to make sure what you are saying is actually written in Scripture. Help Meet is not different in meaning than helpmeet. Help, has the very same spiritual meaning as meet. It is a double, which means that God solidly confirms this truth. I got those meanings from the Strong's dictionary. I got the true interpretation of all of this by many years of diligently studying and searching the Scriptures and asking God to reveal it to me. Have you done this? You are only saying what other men made up. None of what you say is in Scripture. Now if you think it is, please give me written Scripture saying what you said. Show me one verse saying that God would not have imputed this as sin if only Eve had sinned? It is just not true. God did not set Adam over Eve in the beginning. look a little closer to the word. That was only spoken to her after she allowed that serpent mind of Adam to lead her astray. You really need to study scripture and find out what that serpent really was. You need to study Eze 28, 29, and 30 to find out who that man was whom God created, who he anointed to be the covering for this world, and why he dove that same CREATED MAN OUT OF THE GARDEN BECAUSE OF HIS INIQUITY. (I personally do not know about any other man, except Adam, that God created. do you?) the rest of us were born of woman. Now the answer is there. what took place in the Garden of Eden with Eve was not the first sin. It was done before Eve was brought into the picture at all. Now, you get the spiritual meaning of help meet and show it to us. notyour own thinking......get it from the original meaning of this term. prove that God would not hold Eve accountable until AFTER Adam gave in to her advances. What Scripture says this? You cannot just make up stuff and teach it. I gave full Scripture PROOF of what I taught. And if you say Adam was not that serpent, then tell me, why did Jesus tell the Pharisees that they were SERPENTS? tHEY WERE DECENDANTS FROM ADAM. How were those men serpents? Jesus acknowledged that they were the decendants of ADAM. he said you are of your father the devil. Revelation shows that the serpent is the same as Satan, the devil, the dragon. how is it that the Pharisees are the same thing? Now give me Scripture answers to this. You think you can just dispute a message which is solidly proven with indisputable Scriptures, with just your own words, just because you do not like the TRUTH OF THIS MESSAGE. I gave God's word for this. You did not. Where is your proof? | |
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| Wher do you fit Adam into Malachi , Jo ? epe | Reply
| | Mal 2:14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant. Mal 2:15 And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth. See, the Holy Ghost teaches me. He opens my understanding. Many folks think we need the law for a teacher. But in the New Covenant, of Grace, the Holy ghost is our teacher. He has taught me that 'youth' of mankind, refers to the other side of the flood, when mankind was 'new', or 'young'. Not only that, but he was speaking here of some man to whom God had MADE one wife. Who could that have been, except ADAM? Yes, Adam is the ONLY MAN to whom God MADE HIS A WIFE. Do you know of any other to whom God MADE him a wife? | | |
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Jer 48:10 CURSED be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, and CURSED be he that keepeth back his sword from blood. When you see people try to prove their false interpretations by listing many Scripture referrences, but never quote one of the verses, to prove that they say what they say it said, that person is doing the work of the LORD deceitfully and therefore is under the above CURSE. If they have truth, then let them quote their verses and prove they are saying what the verses do say. They deceive many babes with this method of trying to prove their lies. They use the Word of God deceitfully! Even when some quote the verses, they then proceed to change it completely from what it truly said. You need to be very careful, if you value your soul! |
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