 |
|
Reply
| | From:  Freeborn551 (Original Message) | Sent: 10/5/2007 4:39 PM |
~~ Set Them Free ~~ It is a terrible, spiritual sin and crime and shame, when men seek to deceive women into thinking that they are not just as entitled to the things of God, as men are. Now to deceive women into thinking they must share a husband with other women, in the NT Freedom, is bad, but to deceive them into believing they cannot have the things of God and be just as used by God as anyone else, is an unspeakably evil thing. It is totally inexcusable. The only reason I am taking up my time to write this, is for the sake of some women who might be honestly desiring the things of God, and are listening to men’s ugly and evil mouths declaring that they are not entitled to this. That is to doom the woman’s soul to hell fire. That is unforgivable. Men go to where God told Eve that her husband will now rule over you. But they fail to see that this was not God’s original intention or desire. It was only punishment, to both of them, for their sin. So to still hold to this is totally denying the deliverance which Jesus brought to the world. They are saying to you women that you are still being punished for sin and cannot get forgiveness. That is a lie of the most evil sort. It comes solely from an evil desire to still rule over you to be lifted up as god. This was Adam’s original sin and his evil desire. Jesus told men to break every yoke and set everyone free. But proud men flat refuse to do this. Jesus put the proud men down from their ‘seats�?and exalted them of low degree, the women. So if Jesus exalted us, then we are as high as one can go. God did not make Eve to be a ‘possession�?or ‘toy�?or ‘pleasure thing�?for Adam. Adam had already fell into sin and rebellion, the fallen cherub of Eze. 28. God saw that it was not good for Adam to be alone, so he made him a helpmeet. This means one to aid, protect, and succor the man. But Adam was jealous and envious and hated this helpmeet. So he set out to make her fall, so he could get control over her. This is just what he did, as he deceived her into taking of that law. Men say that God told them they could have two wives. God also told them to kill animals for their sins. Yet the Word of God clearly shows that God hated both things. He shows that animal blood could never take away sins and that God hated this thing. So why then did God tell them that? Because of their evil and hard heart. God let them choose their own way. I have written many messages with Scripture proving all of this, so am just talking to women in this message. I know that most men will never accept God’s truth and see that women are equal to themselves, always have been and always will be. But she was brought under the rulership of man because of letting him deceive her into sacrificing an animal and that set Adam up as god. He was the one who she offered that blood to. He was already claiming to be god. Eze. 28 and Isa 14. It was the man whom God created and placed into the Garden of Eden. God said this in Eze 28. Men claim this was an angel, to hid the fact that it was the man. But God said it was a MAN. He never said it was an angel. Men think nothing about adding their own thoughts to God’s word. Men claim that monogamy came from the Roman Church. That is a lie. It came from God. God made Adam only ONE wife. He rebuked Adam, In Hosea for dealing treacherously against this wife of youth. God said he made him one wife. Adam is the only man to whom God ever made a wife, so this has to be speaking of Adam. Of course it also speaks to all men who take more than this one wife. She is the wife of his covenant. So if he takes more than one, he has fallen from the covenant. He does not have a helpmeet. God made man only one wife. So this proves that monogamy was God’s only plan for man. Men went into sin and chose their own way. So God placed them under that law and there is no salvation under that law. They offered up animals to God, but it was an abomination to God. They took wives of all they chose, but God sent the flood and destroyed them because of this evil. Since that flood, there was no more sons of God, until Jesus came. So the sons of God cannot have more than one wife. Only sons of Belial can do this. They claim that women cannot have the things of man. So what is that? It most certainly is not the things of Christ, for in Christ there is neither bond nor free, neither male, nor female. So to still say one has to be male or female, in the things of God, is to still be under that dead old law covenant of the blood of animals. It is not in Christ. Jesus never once told anyone they could have more than one wife. It is lies of Satan. The Apostles did not teach or practice this. You cannot be in the kingdom of Christ and live such an ungodly life. You cannot deny women the things of God and be right with God yourself. Women received the Holy Ghost on the Day of Pentecost, same as men. Jesus sent women out with the message first. Jesus exalted the woman back to the place God put Eve in the first place. Only Satanic men drag them back down to bondage. All who do so are in total rebellion to Jesus. Scripture is full of women whom God used, both in the OT and the New. The Church is made up of both men and women, but they are all ONE. They are all FEMALE TO GOD. So if woman cannot preach and teach, then neither can men. Only when you are still in the flesh, walking in rebellion, does this apply. In Christ, we walk in the Spirit, not in the flesh. My Holy Ghost can teach same as anyone’s. If you do not teach from the Holy Ghost, saying only what Scripture says, then you are forbidden to teach, for it is in your flesh. When you make a difference between male and female, you are in the flesh and therefore forbidden to teach. In Christ there is NEITHER. We are all ONE, in Christ. That means the very same, equals. To reject this, is old Adam-rebellion against the ways of God. To say that a woman desires to be as man, because she hungers for the things of God, is nothing but the absolute lowest of vile and foolish doctrine from hell. I have ALWAYS desired the things of God, but I most certainly have never desired to be anything but a WOMAN. I happen to love being a woman. I think most women do also. I have never known of a woman who desired to have a man’s body. I dare say that more perverted men desire to be women, than the other way around. This is just foolish and low thinking, trying to bring the daughters of God down, because you stupid men have no truth to teach from. Not one son of God, since the flood, ever had more than one wife. The sons of Satan did this. When the Sons of God, on the other side of the flood, took up this evil practice, God said their thoughts were only evil and destroyed them. Those OT men who followed their example were not in the kingdom of Christ. That was not given until after Jesus arose from the dead. Those who had faith and love for God were brought into the kingdom of Christ after he died on that cross. They without us cannot be made perfect. They will come into the kingdom at the resurrection. So they are not the example for children of God. There is absolutely nothing in the kingdom of Christ which women are not entitled to. There are NT prophetesses and teachers. Only those who went back to law are not able to do so. But then men who are in the flesh are also forbidden. Women in the Spirit are the male teachers, for it is not us, but the Christ or Holy Ghost in us who speaks. When I speak the Word of God, that is not coming from a human being, it is of the Holy Ghost. Jesus said, it is not you who speak, but the Father speaking in you. Why cannot you recognize this? It is only because of your own carnal and evil desires and mind. That is the old serpent, devil, Satan, Adam. It is you who are forbidden to teach God’s Word, for you do speak lies. To deny women the things of God is the most evil thing anyone can do. God used women just the same as men. The Church is neither male nor female. The entire Church of Pentecost went about everywhere preaching and teaching the things of God. It was the Church, not some man. The Church is both men and women. Those who have the Holy Ghost are CHILDREN of God and all are able to minister. So you foolish men are cheating those women of becoming Daughters of God and are cheating God of the service and glory these Daughters of God would bring to him. You are flat refusing and rebuking God’s Word, that your sons and your Daughters SHALL PROPHESY. How is she going to prophesy and keep her mouth shut? It is the height of foolishness and evil. Daughters of God, run for your eternal life. Run to freedom. Flee these wolves who hate the way of God. Once, they held me down, and I would cry my soul out, knowing that God was at work in my life, and yet thinking that it was not truly of Scripture. I sought God for many years for the answer. Then he spoke to me and said, That is of law. You are not under law. In Christ there is neither male nor female. So then I was FREE. No man can take me away from God now. God set me free. Jesus set me free. Women, if you desire the things of God, seek him. He will set you free. I will never allow any man to take me away from the things of God again. It is of Satan. No true Son of God would desire to cheat you of your rightful place in God. Phoebe was a pastor of a church. She was highly recommended by Paul. Oh sure, men will try to prevent you from seeing this. But if you run all the references in the Strong’s Hebrew and Greek dictionaries, for this word, Servant, in Romans 16, you will see that it means this very thing. If you allow men to keep you from serving God and being a minister, as all Christians are supposed to do, then you will cheat yourself of eternal life. Women, start studying the Scripture, praying and seeking for God’s truth. Let God talk to you. Stop listening to lying men. They only want to keep you in servitude. But Jesus said set us free. Break every yoke. Men, you are still under bondage yourself, when you hold them as servants. A true Wife is not a servant. She is your equal. She was to be a helpmeet, not a servant. I only want to bring you all into God’s glorious victory. It is not there for the man, until he sets the woman free, also. Marian was used of God to bring out the Israelites, the same as was Moses and Aaron. She was a prophetess. A prophetess speaks the words of God same as a prophet. By: Jo Smith ~~~October 4, 2007 |
|
 First
Previous
2-11 of 11
Next
Last
|
|
Reply
| | | From: joie2 | Sent: 10/5/2007 10:51 PM |
This is the Strongs meaning for the word, Servant, in Romans 16, as pertaining to Phoebe. 1249 // diakonov // diakonos // dee-ak'-on-os //
probably from an obsolete diako (to run on errands, cf
1377 ); TDNT - 2:88,152; n m/f
AV - minister 20, servant 8, deacon 3; 31 1) one who executes the commands of another, esp. of a master,
a servant, attendant, minister Here is one of the meanings: 1c2) of the preacher of the gospel This is another of the meanings: 1b3) of any one ministering or rendering service
The above was for the word, ‘servant�? This is for the word, succourer. Paul said Phoebe had been a succourer of many, and himself also. 4368 // prostativ // prostatis // pros-tat'-is //
from a derivative of 4291 ; n f
AV - succourer 1; 1
1) a woman set over others
2) a female guardian, protectress, patroness, caring for the affairs
of others and aiding them with her resources That word, protectress is one of the meanings of the word, Helpmeet. So we see from this that Jesus has placed the woman back into the original place of being the one to aid and protect the man. She is once again a helpmeet. This is from that link, 4291: 4291 // proisyhmi // proistemi // pro-is'-tay-mee //
from 4253 and 2476 ; TDNT - 6:700,*; v
AV - rule 5, maintain 2, be over 1; 8
1) to set or place before
1a) to set over
1b) to be over, to superintend, preside over
1c) to be a protector or guardian
1c1) to give aid
1d) to care for, give attention to
1d1) profess honest occupations See then, that this solidly proves to be the same meaning as the word, Helpmeet. This proves that Phoebe was over that church as minister, protector, the one to aid and reside over. This is from the above link 4253: 4253 // pro // pro // pro //
a primary preposition; TDNT - 6:683,935; prep
AV - before 44, above 2, above ... ago 1, or ever 1; 48
1) before Now that shows that she was above the others and before them. This is the next reference, 2476. 2476 // isthmi // histemi // his'-tay-mee //
a prolonged form of a primary // staw // stao // stah'-o // (of the same
meaning, and used for it in certain tenses); TDNT - 7:638,1082; v
AV - stand 116, set 11, establish 5, stand still 4, stand by 3,
misc 17, vr stand 2; 158
1) to cause or make to stand, to place, put, set
1a) to bid to stand by, [set up]
1a1) in the presence of others, in the midst, before judges,
before members of the Sanhedrin;
1a2) to place
1b) to make firm, fix establish
1b1) to cause a person or a thing to keep his or its place
1b2) to stand, be kept intact (of family, a kingdom), to escape
in safety
1b3) to establish a thing, cause it to stand
1b31) to uphold or sustain the authority or force of anything
1c) to set or place in a balance
1c1) to weigh: money to one (because in very early times before
the introduction of coinage, the metals used to be weighed)
2) to stand
2a) to stand by or near
2a1) to stop, stand still, to stand immovable, stand firm
2a1a) of the foundation of a building
2b) to stand
2b1) continue safe and sound, stand unharmed, to stand ready or
prepared
2b2) to be of a steadfast mind
2b3) of quality, one who does not hesitate, does not waiver Now all of that shows that Phoebe was the foundation of that church. She was of quality, as Paul said, and firmly established in the things of God. All of the above comes from the word, Succourer. Paul said Phoebe had been a succourer of many. She was some more powerful minister, even recommended by the great Apostle, Paul. He said, assist her in anything she has need of. Here is Strong’s meaning for the word, Meet, in helpmeet: 05828 // rze // `ezer // ay'-zer //
from 05826 ; TWOT - 1598a; n m
AV - help 19, help meet 2; 21
1) help, succour
1a) help, succour
1b) one who helps See then, that it has the very same meaning as that given for Phoebe, or being the one who succours. This is the online Strongs. My own book gives this help, in helpmeet, also to mean aid and surround, and protect. So Eve was given to Adam to help him and surround him and protect him. She was not made for his sexual pleasure. That is not even once connected with the meanings of this word, HELPMEET. That was not Eve’s purpose. She was not made for a servant, either. She was there to stand him up and help lead him. Now men do hate this true meaning of Helpmeet. Adam also hated it, and destroyed it, by deceiving her and bringing her into bondage. God did not set her in bondage. Her listening to Adam brought this about. But Jesus delivered us from that bondage. We see Phoebe in the rightful place of women of God. We see Paul highly commending this powerful Lady Minister. Praise my God for his glorious TRUTH. By: Jo Smith�?Oct. 5, 2007 |
|
Reply
| |
(I am placing a thread here, which is running on the Dake's discussion Board. I would put it a new message on the Women's board, except that it is now running on the front page, on the Dake board. The reason I am placing this here, on the women's board, is for anyone who might come to this board to study the truth about women. Since this is so important to the truth about Women in Christ, I am placing this study here also. I want everyone to see the evils which men 'teachers' (rightly called FALSE TEACHERS) have brought up against women. Here is the starting of that study: | Found this very interesting. I ask the question DOES GOD CHANGE? We have changed. We have thrown away what God has said about a women to be veiled. Women Were to be Veiled, Ten Reasons 1 Cor. 11:5 Women were to remain under their customary veils when praying or prophesying. Ten Reasons Women Were to be Veiled: 1. It had been a custom for ages for woman to be veiled (Genesis 24:65; Genesis 38:14,19; Ruth 3:15; Isaiah 3:23; Song 5:7). 2. It was a Jewish law that no woman be seen in public unveiled. 3. Among Greeks, Romans, and other nations it was also a custom. 4. Only public prostitutes in the East went without veils, hence to pray or prophesy without a veil would be identifying Christianity with harlotry. 5. If a woman appeared in public without a veil, she would disgrace her head-the husband (1 Cor. 11:3). It would be the same as women who had hair shorn off as punishment for whoredom and adultery (1 Cor. 11:5-6; Numbers 5:18). 6. The man was not to wear a veil because he was the image and glory of God. The woman needed one because she was the glory of the man being created for him (1 Cor. 11:7-9). 7. The woman needed to wear her veil on her head as a sign of the husband's authority over her, thus setting an example of humility and submission to her head-the husband. She would thus be a lesson to angels to submit to God (1 Cor. 11:10; 1 Cor. 4:9; Ephes. 3:10-11; Eccles. 5:6; 1 Tim. 5:21). 8. The woman needed to cooperate fully with the husband and keep the customs as being equally blessed by God (1 Cor. 11:11-12; 1 Tim. 2:9; 1 Peter 3:1-7). 9. It was becoming to a woman in that day to be veiled and not common for a Christian woman to pray or prophesy unveiled. That would make her like the heathen priestesses who prayed and delivered the oracles bareheaded or with disheveled hair. 10. It was natural for women to have long hair thus indicating they should be veiled. This is proof that women did pray and preach in the church (1 Cor. 11:5; 1 Cor. 14:3,23-25,31; Acts 2:16-21; Acts 21:9; Joel 2:28-32). Greek: akatakaluptos (NT:177), unveiled (1 Cor. 11:5,13). —Dake's Topics | |
|
Reply
| |
| So, then. Tweety, since you believe in Dake, are you going to start wearing the veil? Do you now wear a veil? I wonder if Dake just refused to read all of 1Cor 11, or if he had trouble understanding English? This is a good example of why I told you that you are studying the wrong thing. If my teacher, (book) crossed God's word this badly, I would have me a little fire outback. How about this: | But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. | | Reply
| | | Do you wish for me to go through the above message, or rather mishandling of God's word, and show you clearly the MANY 'added' words to God's word? Do you ever check out the Scripture references and see how badly this man has mishandled God's Word. It I had one of those things in my house, I would set fire to it before this night is over. | | Reply
| | | Yes, a GLORIOUS covering. " That no flesh should glory in his presence." 1 Co.1:29 Should a woman not have her glory covered when praying or prophecying? My wife has her hair covered while we have meeting, in obedience to this Scripture. Is she wrong in doing so? I don't believe she is. epe | | |
|
Reply
| |
| Sorry, Epe. That is NOT what the Scripture said. Why do men insist on changing the Word of God? God said if a woman have LONG HAIR, that is a glory to her. She should not cover up this glory. If she cuts if off or pins it up on head in any manner to make it look short, then God said, if she be not COVERED, let it be SHORN (past tense of cut; which means she can have long hair and still not be covered!), for that is all-one (or same thing) as if she were shaved. Again, I ask, why do you have so much trouble understanding such simple words? is it just because you do not like the choice of God? Do you not like the thing of women having long hair and it hanging down, as her covering? God has never in any place, said that a woman needs to add some kind of cloth vail to cover up her head or hair. A cloth vail is in no way a covering or something which would make the angels take note of the woman's power on her head. How can you possibly think of a lifeless cloth as power on her head? That is man's things, not God's. God likes the long, hair, hanging down, not pinned up in curles or braids. The Word of God is expressily clear in this matter. | Reply
| | 1co 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. 1co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. 1co 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. 1co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. 1co 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 1co 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. 1co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. 1co 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. 1co 11:12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God. 1co 11:13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? 1co 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? 1co 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. 1co 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God. Maybe you all read something I do not have? Where is the word, 'vail' or veil in all of that above Scripture? I simply do not see it there......no, not one single word of that. It is all about long hair. Now if any of you can show me something different in this Scripture, WITHOUT adding stuff to this, please do so. Why do people continually add to God's word and completely CHANGE it? Do you all know that it is a command from God, with the death penalty attached to it, to change God's word? Yet almost every single teaching of man has added and taken away from God's word, thus making up lies. How is covering up her hair being obedient to this Scripture? Not one word is here about covering up her hair with a cloth or hat. I see one sect of false religion, which has so deceived the women that they go around looking like cast-aways, with a silly little dinkie hat on top of their head and they look like they think they are the holiest things going. It is sheer ignorance and deception. Other women, will not cut their hair, yet ball it all up on top of their heads, thus appearing bald. God said it is the same as shaving their heads. All because they do not read the Scripture as it is given, but change it to suit men's false ideas. (see they really all hate the LONG BEAUTIFUL HAIR. JUST ANYTHING TO BE REBELLIOUS TO GOD) So now, guess we all better jump into our long, flowing robes and wear our heads and faces covered up. Well, not I said Joie. I will wear the long hair covering as God said to do. that is the beauty, the glory and the power. wonder why folks hate this so much? that they had to make up a lie about some silly cloth covering? | | |
|
Reply
| |
| Found this very interesting. I ask the question DOES GOD CHANGE? We have changed. We have thrown away what God has said about a women to be veiled. Women were to remain under their customary veils when praying or prophesying. Women Were to be Veiled, Ten Reasons 1 Cor. 11:5(dAKE) Does God change? From what? show me one place where God said for a woman to be veiled. I want to read that. see.....added words to change God's word. Go to the above verse, and show me the word, veil, in it. Guess what? IT IS NOT THERE. 'customary veils'? huh? show me that is the above Scripture. Tweety, this is how that man changes God's word and adds his own false teachings. A person can give all kinds of referrence, such as: 1cor 11:4. then never quote that verse.......as is dakes style.....and then add his own words,......as in the above.......and teach something totally DIFFERENT from what the Word actually did say. He did just that. see how others have fallen into that same deception, thinking God wants women to cover up their hair. No such is in God's word. The long hair is the COVERING. why no accept the truth? | | Reply
| | | Tweety, do you ever really read the so-called 'referrences' that man gives? Why not read this one: | Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts. | | In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon, | | The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers, | | The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings, | | The rings, and nose jewels, | | The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins, | | The glasses, and the fine linen, and the hoods, and the veils. |
He gave Isa. 3:23. Did you read it? It was one of the things God said he would TAKE AWAY FROM THEM. It is in the same class as these: | In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,(balled up hair) | | The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers, | | The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings, | | The rings, and nose jewels, | | The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins, |
So, now if we must take it that the word , veil, being in this list, means women must still be under this 'uh, customary' veil, it has to be also, thta the nose jewels, the ornaments of the legs, earrings, and all the other things listed in this, must alse be our 'cusomary' 'godly? apparel, which we sinned in, by leaving them off? My, my. And you think that man had some truth?
Go read the actual Scriptures and see how badly this man twisted God's word into false teachings. If you all cannot see from the above verses, that the veils were in the same group as the nose jewels, etc. I say you need to learn to read. So I guess, according to Dake, I need to go get some nose jewels? and according to all those who lay cloths on women's heads, they better also get some nose jewels, some round tires, some tinking ornanments on our feet. etc. etc. etc. bla bla bla. So now. who is teaching it as the Word of God says it? I am getting very angry at how men have twisted God's word, and how everyone just loves them for it!!!!! | | |
|
Reply
| |
| For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. |
He gave the above for this: 7. The woman needed to wear her veil on her head as a sign of the husband's authority over her, thus setting an example of humility and submission to her head-the husband. She would thus be a lesson to angels to submit to God (1 Cor. 11:10; 1 Cor. 4:9; Ephes. 3:10-11; Eccles. 5:6; 1 Tim. 5:21). Now kindly show me one word of this in verse 10? He did not read this in God's word, He added his own false interpretation here. He also gave this one: | For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men. |
Where is what he said even mentioned in this verse? It is not there, tweety. So read. and see that none of this man's referrences say what he says they say. He gives some place, but then says something totally different from what is written in that verse. You could teach that foxes are Jesus by using such a sinful method. He also gave this one....again not one word of what he said is in this verse. Tweety, you truly need to stop reading this man's JUNK, and take some time to read all of his 'referrences' and see that he never gives one true interpretation. Here is Eph. 3: | To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, | | According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: |
See, not one word there about the woman needing to submit to her huband with wearing a veil, to teach angels to obey God! Such made up JUNK. He also gave this verse, for reason #7. Again not one word about what he said. This truly makes me very angry. This man has so twisted God's word, that he needs to be ....well God will. | I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality. |
See what he did? He merely used some concordance and found some referrences to ANGELS and did not even read them himself. He could not have, unless he just deliberately wanted to lie about God's word. He did not care....he was out to make a big name for himself, to be worshipped, just exactly as branham, and scofield did. They are the same kind of SCUM. And here is the other verse he gave for reason # 7. I took the time to look these up. It proves that not one of his 'referrences' match what he said. It proves he was going down a list of words, angel, in some concordance and took a few of them, to try to make his lie look authentic. Now if you see what he said in #7, in this verse, I will bow and kiss his dead feet. | Suffer not thy mouth to cause thy flesh to sin; neither say thou before the angel, that it was an error: wherefore should God be angry at thy voice, and destroy the work of thine hands? | | Reply
| | At first, I did not want to do the work and take the time to investigate the 'referrences' in this post and see what it really had to say. I just did not feel up to it the first time I read this article, because it makes me angry to see someone use the Word of God as deceitfully as Dake did. but now I feel very enthused to do so. I felt led of God to come back and look at some more of this. I am very thankful that I did. Tweety, if you do not ignore this, as you did some of the other times I took the time to prove that Dake had lied and added to God's word, in every thing he said, you will see, as I do, the real SCUM of this EVIL man. I did not have enough before to identify him this way. But now I do. And I would be WRONG not to expose this evil worker. He used the word of God DECEITFULLY to build up a name for himself. He had no truth! Now I prove what I say. and I think you know this by now. I looked at this referrence, which he gave for reason #1. First let me say this. Old Testament women are certainly NOT the role model for Christians. They were, as you know, under the penalty for sin. They had not been cleansed by the blood of Jesus....for that matter neither had the men. But the LAW, thy husband shalt RULE over you, is the PUNISHMENT for this UNCLEANSED SIN. It is not the rule for New Testament women. In GRACE, we are EQUALS. We are all ONE, IN CHRIST. So for you to go back to what OT women did for proof of such things, and to jewish customs, you will miss God entirely. Please, everyone who comes into this site, take the time to read this post. I do the work to find and write these things. Surely you all can take a few minutes to READ it?? Do you really want TRUTH? any of you? This is the reason Dake and others did not QUOTE the verses they listed. They KNEW that would prove them LIARS. They also knew that very few people would actually take the time, as I am doing, to read the verses and see if they said what he said they said. They DO NOT. Under reason 1, he gave this reference: Gen 38:14. Under reason 4, he said this: 4. Only public prostitutes in the East went without veils, hence to pray or prophesy without a veil would be identifying Christianity with harlotry. Read carefully what Gen 38:14 says: Ge 38:13 And it was told Tamar, saying, Behold thy father in law goeth up to Timnath to shear his sheep. Ge 38:14 And she put her widow's garments off from her, and covered her with a veil, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which is by the way to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife. Ge 38:15 When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face. See, RIGHT THE OPPOSITE of what Dake said! Judah thought Tamar to be a harlot BECAUSE SHE COVERED HER FACE. So this shows it was customary for HARLOTS to veil their faces. **** May God expose the works of this wicked man!!! | | |
|
Reply
| |
| I just realized something as I read my last post. I know none of you, who think the OT was God's way, will be able to see this. But I am still responsible to God, and to you, to show you the truth as God reveals it to me. The OT was not God's way. It was witchcraft. Oh I know you will all dispute this. But I can prove it. and not by twisting God's word as dake, branham, scofield and most others, have done. It is witchcraft to think that shedding animal's blood could take away sins. It is witchcraft to think that burning insence is worship to God! God said he hated it! It is witchcraft to think that waving heave offerings to God is an acceptable way of worship. God said he hates it. Isa one. Jesus taught that only acceptable way of worship is in spirit and in truth. Just read Isa. one and you will see this for yourself. God HATED everything to do with that OT way of doing service. It was all an abomination to him. IT IS DOING DESPITE TO THE SPIRIT OF GRACE....AND TRAMPLING THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST....THE ONLY CLEANSING FROM SIN THAT THERE HAS EVER BEEN. Surely, you all know that God himself, did not uphold or command such evil???? See, God had given the world to Adam, his son. Adam is the god of the OT. All those things were from Adam, or Satan. Animal sacrifices were from Adam, not God. Since God had given it into Adam's hands, anointed Adam as the ruler of this world, God had to let it stand. Only those who are BAPTIZED by one SPIRIT INTO CHRIST, are ever free from Adam, or Satans, dominion. Sin rules over all who stay in Adam. So when OT women VEILED their faces, it was showing that the OT way of life was HARLOTRY AGAINST GOD. Sure. Jesus surely pronounced that old Jerusalem is the whore, the one guilty of all the righteous blood shed on earth. Old Jerusalem is synonomous with LAW, OR SATAN. So when the OT women veiled their faces, it showed that they were under this false religion and the whordoms of the OT. So dakes statement that for Christian women to pray unveiled shows Christianity in harlotry, is the very OPPOSITE of the truth. True NT women, those in Grace, know that the long, hanging down hair is the true and only COVERING which God gave. Cloth veils were given by SATAN, or Adam, to SHAME WOMEN. That is exactly why men still, today, have the ungodly and hateful attitude toward women that they have! See how evil men like Dake tried to take women back under that shameful place! Women, wake up! Take your RIGHTFUL PLACE IN CHRIST. Let that hair grow long, leave it down.....teach the word of God.....study the Word of God and learn the TRUTH, WHICH SHALL SET YOU FREE! | |
|
Reply
| |
Tweety, I copied this from your message on 'The old covenant was done away with'. It is on the Dakes board. He said this: Note the following contrasts between the old and new covenants is 2 Cor. 3: the first is "old" and the second is "new"; the first brought "death" and the second brings "life"; the first was "glorious" and the second is "much more glorious"; the first brought "condemnation" and the second brings "righteousness" which frees from condemnation (Rom. 8:1-4); the first was of "the letter" and the second is of "the Spirit"; the first had "no glory" in comparison to the second "by reason of the glory that excelleth"; the first was "done away" and "abolished" and the second "remaineth"; the first came by "Moses" and was "done away in Christ"; the first required a vail to hide the glory because it was "the ministration of death" but the exceeding glory of the second can be looked upon with "open face" because it is "the spirit that giveth life"; and the first brought blindness and bondage while the second brings enlightenment and liberty and changes character by the Spirit of the Lord. (emphasis is mine, Jo. Open face is women without a vail. I claim the victory. I can be open face same as any man.) ****** You said, at the opening of this messate: | Found this very interesting. I ask the question DOES GOD CHANGE? We have changed. We have thrown away what God has said about a women to be veiled. ******** We have changed. Yes. Why did we change? Because we are no longer under that old covenant of DEATH. We threw away that old bondage and accepted the freedom Christ Jesus gave to us! I for one, refuse to let these wicked men take me back under that bondage, so they can RULE, or be worshipped. See that Dake said in the other study that the first covenant of death required a vail to hide the glory. So then why would he and you try to make women go back to that dead, old covenant and have to hide our glory under a false vail = that of cloth? I know you did not understand any of this. But please take some time and study what I am telling you. Do not allow this false teacher to lead you any longer. Why do you suppose this wicked man set out to take women back to that bondage and shame? I tell you it is because of the hatred Adam has placed into almost every person toward women in Christ. Even the women, as you did, are under this witchcraft spell. | |
|
Reply
| |
2. It was a Jewish law that no woman be seen in public unveiled. John 19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God. So why teach by 'their' law? ***************** 3. Among Greeks, Romans, and other nations it was also a custom. Since when did Christians go by Greeks, Romans and other nations for our mode of life? What kind of 'teacher' says such things? So he thought we no longer go by Scripture? Shew! 5. If a woman appeared in public without a veil, she would disgrace her head-the husband (1 Cor. 11:3). It would be the same as women who had hair shorn off as punishment for whoredom and adultery (1 Cor. 11:5-6; Numbers 5:18). Not one word of this one is Scripture either. Sheer foolishness and slander of women as God set us in his word. Since when did Women in Christ go by such foolishness? That veil was listed in Isa 3 as one of the evils for which God put them down! That 'veil' is to the true COVERING what animal blood is to the blood of Jesus Christ! A mockery of true Godliness! 1co 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? Not one word in this entire chapter uses the word vail. So where did he get it that a man was not to wear a vail? It is not in this scripture. It said for him not to wear long hair...proving that this entire chapter is about HAIR...not vails. The man is a liar and handles the Word of God DECEITFULLY. Paul told us about this evil kind. I would not trust my dog's life in the hands of this reckless 'teacher'.[sneer intended!] He said: 6. The man was not to wear a veil because he was the image and glory of God. The woman needed one because she was the glory of the man being created for him (1 Cor. 11:7-9). Not one word about any vail in that referrence!! He said: 7. The woman needed to wear her veil on her head as a sign of the husband's authority over her, thus setting an example of humility and submission to her head-the husband. She would thus be a lesson to angels to submit to God (1 Cor. 11:10; 1 Cor. 4:9; Ephes. 3:10-11; Eccles. 5:6; 1 Tim. 5:21). 8. The woman needed to cooperate fully with the husband and keep the customs as being equally blessed by God (1 Cor. 11:11-12; 1 Tim. 2:9; 1 Peter 3:1-7). How could the woman be equally blessed by God and still have to be wearing a vail, to show she is being dominated and ruled over by her husband? It is false as can be. No Scripture ever said a woman wears a vail to teach angels to submit to God. Where did he make up such a lie from? Jesus told them to set everyone FREE. the wife is no longer to be shamed and ruled over by her husband. In Christ they are EQUALS. else they are not in Christ. How is this world have so many people become so wrapped up in a man who taught such obvious lies and foolishness? It makes not one bit of sense to me. and he said this foolishness statements: 9. It was becoming to a woman in that day to be veiled and not common for a Christian woman to pray or prophesy unveiled. That would make her like the heathen priestesses who prayed and delivered the oracles bareheaded or with disheveled hair. 10. It was natural for women to have long hair thus indicating they should be veiled. The above is a lie of the worst sort. Nothing of this kind is mentioned in all of God's word. Christians women were NEVER TOLD TO WEAR ANY VAIL! THEY WERE TOLD TO WEAR LONG HAIR AS A COVERING, AND NOT AS A KNOT UP ON TOP OF HER HEAD. If she had long hair, how is this world did that indicate that she should be veiled? God said the long hair was her covering! I just believe the Scripture, not this lying man, dake. He is not fit to speak of God's word. Tweety, if you can't see through this, I just plain do not know what to think of you. Jo |
|
Reply
| |
~~ Set Them Free Lord~~ Set Them Free ~~ ~ |
|
|
First
Previous
2-11 of 11
Next
Last
|
|
Free Forum Hosting
Important Announcement
Recommend
Delete
Return to Women
