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| (WRITTEN to Bishop, after his ugly words to me) On his group: I was not trying to roll messages back. Never thought of that. It has been my experience that people get more out of short posts. I have had many people fuss at me about my long posts. they will not read them. I was only trying to write so it would be easier for people to read them. I am not a woman preacher. I am a God taught and God sent teacher. I am not saying my words. I am saying the Word of God. That is permissable to any and all of God's children. Love. Love. Love. That is the nature of God's family and his kingdom. The end goal of eternal life is what we should all be reaching for. competition of any kind of not of God, but of Satan. God's kingdom is ONE, unity in love, unity in equality, no jealousies, no hatred. not ugly name calling. Just love. Love of the TRUTH. In Christ there is NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE. ( Did none of you ever read that? if so, why do you not believe it?) iN CHRIST THERE IS NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE. We are all ONE. We are all BRETHERN. In Christ, gender has not one thing to do with it. That is satan's kingdom. Both kingdoms are all through the Word of God. beginning with Adam. I am not out to win some earthly contest. I seek the eternal reward of the glorified body. Only those who can drop competition, which is of Satan, and love all of God's children, equally, will make the goal. The others will fall by the way side. There will be no wars in heaven. Heaven is in the Spirit. It is in the outer courts, or flesh, that the war goes on. why war when you can enter into the inner courts of the Spirit, and find REST to your souls, and love your neighbor as yourself. Love your wife as your self. Break every YOKE. the yoke is of Satan. Jesus said break every yoke. Do not yoke your wife. do not yoke your sister. How many of you will read this long a post? Is it a waste of time to write it? Where is the love? where is the desire for holiness and Godliness and Love and gentleness? That is the Spirit of Christ. Does Christ beat up on the other members of the body? Teach in gentleness and the desire to help them find the way that leads to ETERNAL LIFE. That goal is worth everything. Love. That is the way. Love is His nature. Competition is hatred, self-boasting, and hatred of the opponant. In His Kingdom of love, there is not competition and opponants. Let them that teach do it in gentleness and the sincere desire to TEACH and FEED the sheep of God. That is all I wish for.....to feed the sheep of God. That is what He sent me to do. The sheep need and can only feed on and grow on TRUTH. That is their food. Jesus is not the name of the Father. It is the name of the son. Lord God of Hosts is the name of the Father of spirits. The second man Adam, was made a quickening spirit. Our only hope is to be baptized into that one perfect body of Christ. there will be no wars, not name calling, no competition or hatred or self-boasting, or putting down the daughters of God, in there. Be ware. All of you who cling to that old covenant of death, where the female is ruled over and considered a sub-servant, or under class member of God. IT is not, never has been God's way. It is satan's way. There are both messages in Scripture. It all depends on what spirit you are of as to which message you will 'hear'. Jesus said take heed HOW you hear. Do you hear law? (rule over others. rule over Eve) or Do you hear Grace. (set all the servants free. with you it shall not be so, that one rule over the other, you are all ONE. means equals) If your flesh speaks, it is the forbidden 'earthly female.'. (has not one thing to do with which 'gender' you are in your flesh. It is what you are in the Spirit.) If God sends a woman with his Spirit and his word, then it is his authority speaking. You had best leave them alone. If the disciples had put Mary down, as she obeyed Jesus, and told them of the resurrection, they would not have made it, for they would have been resisting and fighting the chosen messanger of Jesus. If my spirit speaks , it is the heavenly male speaking. It is the Holy Ghost. It is the Word of God. No one has the authority to stop that or condemn it. Truth is all that needs to be heard. You are in the flesh, when you think this is a forbidden woman talking. It is not. it is you who is in the flesh, and therefore forbidden to teach. You are knowing me after the flesh, and not in the spirit. Henceforth, know we CHRIST no more after the flesh. Do you really think that only MEN are in CHRIST? if so, why neither male nor female. Did not he say, neither male? The you men are not in there either. Do you really have the revelation you 'think' you have? It does not match the Word of God. Jesus is not the name of the Father. No Scripture tells us that. Only men's false interpretations says that. Jo, a daughter of God. and speaking at his command and his authority. | |
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| This is also from there, imagine he will delete it from there. so I am saving it here: Freeborn, I have been patient with you and tried to reason with you and you come back calling me a liar, well let me show you that I happen to know a little bit about the Holy Scriptures myself also. God Opened the Understanding of His Apostles , Do you not know they were God's Preachers, ie... God's Ministers, and they Got their understanding Opened by The Lord Himself just as His Ministers do today. And you are No Minister, God never Called a Woman to preach His gospel, But told you to sit down and Shut up. and Listen to His Ministers. The only teaching you could possibly be expected to do in the Sight of God is teach the younger women how to love their husbands, and keep their homes. and when I see your Spirit come out as an Obnoxious, Obstinate, woman preacher in violation of the Apostles Commandment to refrain from the Rebuke of an Elder, I have serious doubts as to your claim of having received the Holy Ghost. Or ever having submitted yourself to a husband, or any Minister. |
Me: Show me where I called you a liar. I said no such thing. I am teaching the Word. that is what burns you up. what patience? we just started? is this what you call the Spirit of Christ? I think it is not. I knew you cannot take it when someone shows that your words are not right with Scripture. You only hope is to attack them and slander them. Your understanding of the Word is under law. By law shall no flesh be saved. by law is no faith. there are two messages all through Scripture, from Eden, Genesis, through Revelation. the message of LAW, rule over others, is in the NT writtings --just as Grace, all are one, is in the OT. Both messages are in both books. It shows what you are, as to which one you 'hear'. You can only hear law. You have not the Spirit of Grace, which is the Holy Ghost. So it is you who is in violation of the Holy Ghost Spirit. Female, to God, means flesh, yours and mine. It is all the same. Your flesh, which spits at others, is not permitted to preach or teach. There are just as many women ministers in Scripture as men. but your hatred and puffed up position will not let you see it. I am not under law, or your yoke. You are in bondage, because you hold the women in bondage. If you hold them in bondage to that old covenant, you are also there, for you are disobeying your HUSBAND, Jesus. You are supposed to be wife to him, and in obedience to his word. He sent the first NT Evengelist out, John 4. It was a woman. He sent the first NT message of resurrection out by another woman, Mary. Guess you would have slapped her down, also. Paul recommended and highly commended a woman Pastor, Phoebe. If you did some studying of that word, servant, there, you would know this. except that your blindness and hardness of heart forbids you to hear the truth of GRACE. Paul only told those who held to law that under that law they could not teach. He and Peter both certainly had women ministers working with them. Ever hear of Priscilla? | And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus. | | This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John. | | And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly. |
It says THEY, both the husband and wife TAUGHT Apollos the Word of God. They were under the GRACE, OR Holy Ghost spirit. So was Paul, even though he still taught the ones under LAW what their thing was. But he showed they were not going to be saved hanging back under that LAW. God made Adam and Eve on equal grounds. It was only after sin that he lost his HELPMEET. Bet you have no idea what that word means. and of course you do not have one. You would not permit it. for you are under law, fighting the Grace which sets them all free. Free to learn. Free to teach. Free to preach. or do anything else God wants done. (Guess you think Jesus only set men free? Whom the Son has set free, is FREE INDEED.) Maybe other women will allow you to keep them under bondage of law and hatred, but not I. and I know you. I know you cannot take anyone speaking up to you this way. So do with this what you like. If any women wish to learn some truth, let them join me at Build on the True Foundation and learn how to be free daughters of God. http://groups.msn.com/BuildontheTrueFoundation/birthdays.msnw?all_topics=1 By: Jo Smith | | |
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(For the purpose of revealing here, the ugly and ungodly attitude these so-called God-sent preachers have against the Daughters of God, who dare to allow God to speak through us and teach his Word, as He gives it, I am placing this one here also, in this Women's board. This wicked man, called, Bishop, thought I was someone else. He must have had another lady there in the past who tried , in vain, to teach some truth. see how he calls me her, and showed he did not have any true Discernment, or Godly love and understanding. I have not yet found in Scripture where any Apostle spoke in such an ungodly manner to the daughters of God, who ministered right along side both Peter and Paul, and of course all the other Christian men in that true Church. So where do these hate filled and hateful men get their evil attitudes? Could only be from Satan.) ********* | Tweety, I want you to see the evil Bishop for the ugliness that he really is. I have not said one wrong word there, and yet this is the evil way he is coming at me. He hates the real truth. | I remember you now Woman Preacher, it took me a while to Spot your sorry hide, when did you stop using the Burnt Offering user name lol BDD is still the same as it was when you came here a long time ago, and we will suffer your Nasty attitude about the same length of time as we did earlier before we Bann and delete your Nasty Smart Mouth, but I will continue to show your Pitiful mess up for what it is. | | |
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(Here is another one of their 'saintly??/ men...speaking their evil hearts to someone who only posted some Godly message there. See how evil he tried to judge me, a person he knew not one thing about. Yet he felt free to spew out this evil, and untruthful slander about me there, and still think that just because he is a male, in the flesh, that this makes him a fit minister! Such horrible deception and evil! and this is what Satan is using to take the world down to hell. They are trying to shut up the mouths of all who teach real truth. God sent just as many women as men. To God, we are all FEMALE. The Holy Ghost speaking in me is the MALE. But their wicked hearts could never grasp this glorious truth, for then they would have to get down off their self-gloring high-horse. But Jesus already took them down and lifted up the lowly, the WOMEN.) ****** | Watch this. These are supposed to be Christian men?????  Praise the Name Lord Jesus!!!!!!!
Hey Freeborn, I think you are one of those that God told it is alright to Marry, Divorce and Remarry as many times as it takes to find the right mate too HUH!!!!!!! HaHaHaHa, I have seen this personal revelation before, especially when a woman wants to circumvent the Truth!!!!!!! I think she is a Mole???!!!! In Lord Jesus!!!!!!!  Bro. Menard
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( And this is the wicked Bishop's reply...) I think you are correct Chain, She is like Legion,...She is Many..... | |
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( I wish one of these wicked men would show me just one verse where a true Apostle spoke in such an evil manner of the Godly women who ministered all through the Book of Acts. Did Paul speak in such a wicked manner to and about Pricilla or Phoebe? No, he spoke very highly of them both. They were both WOMEN MINISTERS. Phoebe was a pastor, yet these ungodly men try to black out this truth.) *********** Bishop, quote the verse in the KJV which says Jesus ascended and decended on the same day.......of his resurrection,...or any other day. why do you say things which you know are not in that Book? and claim that it is. Prove it. You know you can't and that is why you are so angry at me. and while you are at it, pray for some HOLY spirit. Yours is certainly not becoming to the LOVE OF GOD. Who hates women? Let God tell us: | And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. | | And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. | | And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. (that is what you are doing). | | And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. | | And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. |
It started with the one who deceived her, her husband, Adam. That spirit still rules you men who hate women and try to stop us from having God in our lives. Who had the revelation to cast out the bondchild? the woman, Sarah. Who was told, by God, to harken to the voice of that woman? Abraham. Did he? yes. They were under grace. Sorry, but you will never know truth or GRACE. your spirit will never be permitted into Christ, or heaven.....for in Christ there is neither male, nor female..but we are all ONE IN CHRIST. Sorry, that you hate women too bad to enter in. I did not start any trouble here. You people claim you believe the KJV. Then why do you teach contrary to it and refuse its words when presented. I came in my father's name.....that kind of sentence could not be saying I go by my fathers name. He said I did not come of myself. ....meaning he came under the authority of the Father. If anyone here can hear , and desires truth, hear the word of the Lord. and remember, Bishop. you invited me here long ago. Your ugly words are not of any Holy Ghost, but evil. Your attitude could not come from the true Jesus. He certainly did not speak to and of women in your evil attitude. So go ahead and ban me. You cannot take the TRUTH. You do not desire truth. I want tweety to see you for your ugly self. I want that sweet woman to see how ugly you really are. Tweety, are you here? do you see? I have done nothing to set off such ugly words. It is the TRUTH which has set off his evil spirit. If he has a wife, I sure do feel sorry for her. I know you will delete this and ban me. She is a member at my group also. I will copy your ugly words and paste them there for her to read. | |
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OK, dear Tweety. I am correcting you. There is absolutely no Scripture which says that. No, I am afraid you will not know the Scripture, for you cannot stop listening to the men who deceive women and the world with their false interpretations of the Word of God. But since none of you here wish to hear the truth, or discuss it in a Christian manner, I will not waste my time here. but I will tell you all this, It was Adam who deceived his helpmeet, because of this same evil spirit in these ungodly men here. When women listen to these kind of men, and let them deceive her into thinking there is no place for her in God's work, that she was created just to serve some man, then they will forever be in that horrible bondage, which Sweet Mother Eve, found herself in, because of listening to her lying husband, who wanted to RULE. which woman did Jesus say had chosen the good part? Mary or Martha? can you tell? Now no one wants to see the truth. That God created them equal, and that actually Adam needed her, for he was not doing so well alone. But he resented this female leadership, as these men do here tonight. and Eve listened, thinking it was the thing to do. So God said to her, now that you have done this, he will rule over you. That was not God's way. That was not God's choice for her. She did it to herself because of setting adam's word above God's word. God said they had all corrupted HIS WAY ON EARTH. they had all chosen their OWN WAY. that is not God's way. It is evil man's way. all women who do that will end up just as Eve....loosing her wonderful place in god and having a hate filled, evil man rule over her. that is what is taking place here tonight. These men have that same ungodly hate in them. They listen to the serpent tonight, as Eve did then. That same old evil serpent is the spirit of Adam and it rules in the hearts of these wicked men tonight. and all women, like you, Tweety, who is being led around with a noose around your neck, called Dake, will set his words above God's word. That is how they rule over you and keep you in bondage. You have not checked to see that what you said is NOT WRITTEN in Scripture. It is man's false interpretation. You cannot take one verse, such as where Jesus said I came in my Father's name, and interpret from that verse. None of these serpents here know that. You MUST find another verse which explains it and shows what it means. They cannot find one verse which says it means what they say. Yet they continue to teach this false doctrine. and they continue to rule over women in fear and false words. they hate the thought of Jesus sending out women ministers, Yet he plainly skipped John and Peter at the tomb, and waited and sent Mary to them. He set Eve back where God made her. first, and equal and a minister of the gospel of love and truth. Tweety, you are not following in this woman's footsteps. you are not allowing God to set you free. Instead you join in with evil men, here, as you did on your own group, and fight the one woman who loved you and fought to help bring you out of that darkness into truth or light. So be it. follow Dake to your doom. I will not continue to try to help you. You insist on believing that man's lies. Now you join with my enemies here and fight me and the truth I am teaching. so be it. But know that you are allowing them to bring you into bondage, which Jesus died to set you free from. The reason God allows this to continue is because it is not time to stop earthly life. Since Eve allowed Adam to bring her into bondage, it continues to all women who allow the men to deceive them. Men such as Bishop and these others, hate the work Jesus did and the foam at the mouth when they see a daughter of God set free and being used and taught by God. they really hate us who have the knowledge and strength to keep them from bringing us back under their dominion of evil. You can stay under their deception if you wish. But I know my God is with me, he teaches me his true word, and he sent me to tell the world and they cannot stop me. Oh sure you know they will here. But so what? You invited me to join here and I told you I did not want to because I knew how hateful these men are. But I did it for you. So now you see I told you the truth. If they were in Christ, they would know that there is neither male nore female here. But see, they prove they are NOT in Christ, for they have old Adam's hateful evil spirit against women. all they can see is male and female, bodies. not spirits. so they are not in christ, no matter how much they try to pretend to be. They want to rule/ be looked up to/ to be worshipped. Well, women, God set us free, but if you allow them to keep you in bondage, you will be bound. But to those of us who accept the jubilee, setting them all free, breaking every yoke, then we receive direct teaching from GOD. the devil cannot stop us. Jesus is leading us. He is our husband and our captian. these men will never obey His rule, to set them all free and equal so they will die lost. God raised Jesus to equality with himself. Jesus raised men to equality with himself. Men are commanded to do the same. they flat refuse. Peter and all that early church had all things COMMON,. EQUAL. These evil men know nothing about this spirit of equality. tHEY never will. neither did Adam. He hated it. That is why God cast him out of heaven to crawl around on his belly of dust. Your body is just dust. So in Christ, that does not exist. It is spirit. neither male, nor female. Tweety, quote me that verse which told you that. Bishop , quote that verse. Else stop lying to these people. If you cannot give us the KJV FOR THAT, WHY ARE YOU SAYING IT?
Maynard, you do not have the truth. there are two different kinds of 'touch' involved here. I have not said Jesus did not ascend to the Father. But he did not do it until the time it is recorded in Acts one. man made up a lie that if Mary touched Jesus she would contaminate this glorified Jesus. and you believe that junK? such foolisheness and man made lies. No Scripture says such junk. I will not even bother to explain this, for it would do no good. none of you, not one of you here, wishes for any truth. So be it. I will not waste any more time here. believe your lies. God gave you a chance and you refused it. so be it. | |
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(Here is some more of the discord which went on over in that horrible website.) | Freeborn, I am truly sorry to see such words between people that know the scriptures so well. And I do hate to interupt this, but I think if you maybe wrong on this. Jesus Christ descended into hell and brought back souls that were in Hell and ascended to heaven and presented them to God. And then he came back to earth so his apostles could see him. Does that ring a bell to anyone? One day I am gonna know sciptures like everybody else. Please correct me if I am wrong about this. Tweety |
That is what tweety said to me to bring up the above post. Tweety, if you read this. again you are blaming me for something I am not guilty of. Show me where I said evil there. do you think that I should just sit there and let them make all kinds of evil accusations against me and Scripture and not say anything back? is that what you think? what evil words do you see that I said there. You know not one thing about spiritual warfare. why do you get into this? It proves to me that you are against me each time I get into a controversy with these wicked men. Guess it is because i dare call your idol false teacher. Well he is just that. and now I see you are not my friend. so be it. I still wish you to come to truth. but if you continue the path you are on now, you will not do it. If I must sit here all alone, and serve my god in His love and truth, I will do it. but I will not bow the knee to the likes of those hateful evil men you take up for. Where do you people get the notion that Jesus carried those risen OT folks to heaven that day? God said: | And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, | | And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. |
That group of raised saints is that cloud which ascended with Jesus in Acts one. You are wrong. Jo Smith Reply
| | | Freeborn, Where do you get the notion that I don't love you? You got upset at Bishop. I am not upset that you call Dake a false prophet. I put Dake down a week ago. I just remembered that part about when Jesus descended into hell and preached to the souls in hell and when he was resurrected he resurrected all the O.T. souls with him, and the ones that were in hell. I did not get any of that from Dake. I am sorry that I upset you. Tweety | | Reply
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| Thank you, Axs. Tweety, thank you too girl. I do love you so much, both of you. and guess what. After I went to bed, I was asking God about this business of the saints raising. I have never settled down on that, for none of what I ever heard fits what is taught in Scripture. God gave me the true revelation of this last night. None of us had it right. Those saints have NOT RESURRECTED YET. Always wondered why it says that David, a man after God's own heart is yet in his grave. and also knowing that the earthly Jerusalem is NOT not the Holy City, puzzled. me Go read it in Matt. 27. It does NOT SAY OT saints. men made that up. It does not say immediately after his resurrection. It just says AFTER. Read 1Cor. 15. If fits there. and also No man has ascended into heaven except him that decended . and also they without us shall not be made perfect. That resurrection has NOT HAPPENED YET. All the sleeping saints will come out together, AT HIS COMING. Paul said first Christ, the firstfruits of the resurrection. THEN THEY ARE HIS, AFTERWARD, same as AFTER. at his coming. It the holy city is our glorified bodies, they without us shall not be made perfect. It does not mean OT saints. It means MANY. all of us. glory. gotta go now. No time. Love ye, jo | |
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| Tweety, I prayed last night that God will open your mind to what was going on over there. Go back, and truly read all that was said, from their first sneer to the end. That is a bunch of mad dogs, masquarading around as Christians. I have never said that kind of evil stuff to anyone. Why shouldn't I get upset at his kind of evil? How would you like being talked to that evil way? and for nothing. Go read what you said to them on Coffe's board. called them a pus filled blister. and an egg sucking dog. taking up Bishop's evil method. Now judge righteous judgment, if you must judge. read all their ugly words and see why I was upset at you for joining in with them against me. love ye, me | |
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