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ASTROLOGY : U.S. Presidential Election of 2008
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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoon  (Original Message)Sent: 10/15/2007 7:20 PM
Articles about the Election upcoming:
 
 
the next time a presidential inauguration will occur during a VOC Moon will be on January 20, 2009 - with the lunar body in late Scorpio and Void until 12:31PM EST, about 30 minutes AFTER that future president comes into power.
 
a Void of Course Moon Election..........
 
 
The Void of Course Moon means there are no aspects being made to the Moon before it changes signs................into a new sign.
 
 


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 3/6/2008 11:26 PM

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 3/6/2008 11:29 PM
Here is what Knoxy said, (using Hillary's chart with the Convention)
 
The most telling chart I've seen while looking at the charts of candidate, election dates, conventions etc remains the synastry chart for Hillary and the Democratic Convention: Hillary's Moon conjuncts the convention's Uranus while Hillary's Uranus conjuncts the conventions Moon!    A more fated aspect I've never seen.
 
Either Hillary will be elected by the democracy of Uranus or Uranus will impel the Democrats to "break free" of the Clinton dynasty.  Intuition tells me Obama will win the nomination but its hard to imagine Hillary going down without an almighty fight.  Uranus always foretells upsets, so it would seem if Hillary is the sure-fire bet for the nomination going into the convention, she will lose due to the super delegates, or if she is the runner-up going in, she will emerge the victor.
 
 
 

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From: MSN Nicknamethose_arent_pillowsSent: 3/20/2008 9:05 PM
Ugh.. that evil woman is going to win... isn't she? I KNEW it. ::sigh:; I think she's going to win... even if she has to shoot someone in the head to do it ::coughVinceFostercough::. I'm only half serious about this. I don't trust or like her. Such a shame, as I was kind of looking forward to having a woman in the White House.... not her though.

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 3/21/2008 3:34 AM
Everyone keeps talking about an "Election Day Surprise", especially because of Uranus on Election day, and where it lands in the individual charts.
 
I think today,there was a Surprise, - coming from the State Dept. apparently a Breach of Privacy, with 3 seperate "contracted" employees of the US. State Dept.
 
These 3 seperate and individual employees, each had peered into Obama's Private Passport Information records.
 
Once in January 2008 right afer the Big Super Tuesday Win.
 
The next time in February after a big win.
 
The 3rd time, last week in March.,after a primary  caucus.
 
What's going on?
 
2 were fired, no fanfare, and a 3rd one, just reprimanded.
 
The boss in the State Dept. says, they were "simply curious"
 
It's a HUGE file, as the man has had a Passport since he lived in Indonesia, at age 7.
 
Humongous file......not like Deb's passport, lol, but BIG! with personal Social Security number, and I imagine a lot of stuff.
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 3/26/2008 7:17 PM

Obama's Momentum
NewsScope; February 18, 2008

Many readers have asked if I still believe that Hillary will get the nomination. Over a year ago, I wrote that Hillary and Obama would be the top contenders due to their connections to the U.S. Moon, and that ultimately Hillary would win. In light of Obama's recent string of primary victories and the way the primary schedule was dramatically shifted forward, it's time to re-visit his chart and find out why he's doing so well.
Barack Obama was born (August 4, 1961; 1:06 pm*; Honolulu, HI) with Uranus at 25º18' Leo, which is only 0º10' from an opposition to the U.S. Moon. This connection implies the radical change (Uranus) that he promises the American people (Moon). Uranus is prominently placed by being in his tenth house of career, and by the conjunction with the fateful North Node.

Obama's progressed (P2) chart tells the tale. The key to his current success can be found in his P2 Jupiter, which is at 27º20' Capricorn. In addition to being precisely quincunx his North Node (at 27º18' Leo), it's also closely conjunct the U.S. Pluto, the ruler of the Scorpio Rising U.S. horoscope. P2 Jupiter to the U.S. Pluto brings the support of the most powerful and influential people in the nation.

This rare and spectacular alignment is in place for many years, since his progressed Jupiter is stationary. However, his progressed Sun at 27º Virgo is now activating this complex by making a perfect trine to his progressed Jupiter. This extremely favorable celestial set-up has been in effect during the front-loaded primaries, and becomes exact on March 7. So his momentum should continue through then, right through the all-important Texas and Ohio primaries on March 4.

Hillary's Firewall
NewsScope; February 18, 2008

Last week, Hillary Clinton replaced her campaign manager and admitted that she had loaned her campaign $5 million from her own account. As her once inevitable victory faced the reality of a surging Obama, Clinton began re-phrasing her message to reach voters in Ohio and Texas. Meanwhile, politicos weighed the shifting odds that the 796 superdelegates will decide the nominee at the August convention.

Hillary Clinton's horoscope (October 26, 1947; 8:00 am; Park Ridge, IL) features Mercury conjunct her Scorpio Ascendant square Saturn near her Midheaven. This angular configuration emphasizes her practical, logical, no-nonsense approach to politics. She calls herself a "problem solver", but over the past several weeks, transiting Neptune has entered into this mix, eroding her authority and command of the game plan (Saturn in Leo).
From Hillary's perspective, transiting Neptune has arrived in the form of Barack Obama. Neptune specializes in hope, vision, and inspiration, which Obama personifies since his Leo Sun squares Neptune. While Hillary has the nuts-and-bolts experience (Saturn), Obama has the ability to evoke the dream of a better, more unified world (Neptune). Fortunately for Hillary, Neptune has moved out of her Mercury-Saturn complex, as the doubt and uncertainty are being put behind her.

The planetary alignment that triggered her campaign shuffle** is also just completed, and Mercury has just turned direct, so I suspect she will engineer a decent turn around by March 4.

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 3/26/2008 7:19 PM
Okay, he's on the line now, for saying his pick is Hillary:
 
. Neptune specializes in hope, vision, and inspiration, which Obama personifies since his Leo Sun squares Neptune. While Hillary has the nuts-and-bolts experience (Saturn), Obama has the ability to evoke the dream of a better, more unified world (Neptune). Fortunately for Hillary, Neptune has moved out of her Mercury-Saturn complex, as the doubt and uncertainty are being put behind her.

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 3/26/2008 7:22 PM
 
IF he is correct, and I hope he is not.......then I might consider his book to read..
 
Meanwhile the latest Hillary controversy rages on, as I posted before:
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People will bend over backwards, do cartwheels, just about any kind of justification when they like someone, or believe in someone.
 
Just look how many since 48 hrs. ago, when her "LIE" was revealed, are calling it a "mis-statement", or  
she "misspoke", or she "forgot the details" or a "blunder"  and on and on. (while running under sniper fire?)
Give me a break.......Call a lie a lie and get it over with. She's always been known for creative fabrication of truth.,to benefit her. Nothing new here.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/hillary-says-she-misspok_b_93249.htm l
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4
 
Hillary's Astrological Natal includes the following: (don't forget most of this is taking place in her 12th house)
 
Mercury square Mars, Mercury square Saturn, Mercury square Pluto , Mercury Opp. the NN.  
(puts the South Node, "Ketu", smack in the middle of this stellium) in the 12th house conj.Mercury)  
  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozQe72pJOdQ&feature=related  
  
 
  
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chip-collis/the-clinton-credibility-g_b_93270.html  
 
How about Ireland, Kosovo, brokering deals left & right?, LOL - How about being named AFTER Sir Edmund Hillary? When Sir Edmund did not even have following until AFTER he Climbed Everest, AFTER she was even born? Not known at all until 1953. (she got caught in that one too.,and it wasn't a Mis-spoke OR a Blunder either, but an outright fabricated lie)
Now, it's just brushed off as a "sweet family story".......

[i]..............Years after alternative media pointed out the virtual impossibility, Sen. Hillary Clinton finally has admitted she was not named for the famous conqueror of Mount Everest, Sir Edmund Hillary.
The New York Times, which repeated the claim as fact in a story just one week ago, reported Sen. Clinton's campaign issued a correction yesterday.
"It was a sweet family story her mother shared to inspire greatness in her daughter, to great results I might add," said spokeswoman Jennifer Hanley. [/i]
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FACTS?
Nevertheless, Clinton recounted to the press her meeting with Sir Edmund in 1995, during an Asian tour, in which she told the mountain climber how her mother had named her.
"It had two l's, which is how she thought she was supposed to spell Hillary," she said. "So when I was born, she called me Hillary, and she always told me it's because of Sir Edmund Hillary."
In 1947, Sir Edmund was an unknown beekeeper, but Clinton had explained her mother read about him in a publication while pregnant and liked the name.
 
God help us all IF she is elected........as per Michael O'Reilly's prediction.........
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 3/26/2008 7:25 PM
the Democratic National Convention that would not be bound by primaries and caucuses. This moment can be used as the chart for the so-called superdelegates, the ones that are in play this year. This chart features the Sun in Capricorn square a Saturn-Pluto conjunction, and reflects how the superdelgates are drawn from the more mainstream elements of the DNC, which naturally favors Hillary Clinton. 
 
(see the chart here):
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/2/2008 4:48 AM
 born at the Queens Medical Center Honolulu, Hawaii
co-ordinates 21N18'26"   157W51'07" on 4th Aug 1961 AHST +10.00
6:22:56pm  (a rectification ?)
 
 
27 November 1942 - Mother born. 
17 Jan 1964 - Wife Michelle born.
18 Oct 1992 - Marries Michelle.
18 Jul 1995 - Publishes his autobiography 'Dreams of my father'
7 Nov 1995 - Mother dies of Ovarian cancer (he says, the worse experience of his life).
5 Nov 1996 - Elected to Illinois state Senate.
3 Nov 1998 - Re-elected.
21 Mar 2000 - Made unsuccessful bid for Democratic nomination to  US House of Representatives.
2 Mar 2004 - Wins nomination for the U.S.Senate.
4 Jan 2005 - Sworn in as U.S. Senator for Illinois.
18 Apr 2005 - Time magazine names him as one of the worlds most
                        influential people.
17 Oct 2006 - Publishes his book 'The Audacity of Hope'
27 Oct 2006 - On the Cover of Time magazine 'The Next President'
25 Aug to 28 Aug 2008 - Democratic Convention to choose who will  run for President.

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/6/2008 8:38 PM
Obama's famous speech:
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 5/8/2008 4:19 AM
Meet the new First Lady of the United States, Michelle Obama:
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 8/4/2008 8:34 PM

John McCain's Virgo Sun is undergoing a transit of Saturn which began last November, took a second hit in February, and just concluded.  Because of Saturn's tendency to create limitations and challenge, the transit of Saturn to the Sun can make it difficult for any individual to express themselves in the best light.

McCain's greatest weakness is his inability to relate well to others, as shown in the opposition between Saturn and Venus (love and relationships) in his birthchart.  To exacerbate the situation even more, Saturn in his chart is retrograde, showing that he is particularly self-critical, and both Saturn and Venus are squared by Chiron (healing and wounding) which shows that this has been a lifelong challenge for him and a painful one.

Currently, Uranus is beginning a challenging transit to this T-square of planets including Venus, Saturn and Chiron in McCain's natal chart, an event that began in May as transiting Uranus collided with McCain's Saturn, and coming to a head in June, July and August with Uranus changing direction in what we call a "station" (where the planet virtually stands still) in an exact opposition to Venus and square to Chiron. 

Uranus is the Awakener, the Disrupter.  It brings about change and a radically new way of doing things.  Often when we are undergoing a planetary transit, the planet in question appears in the form of a person who exhibits the traits of that planet to introduce its influence into our lives.  Uranus is personified in this transit by Barack Obama, the cool cat with Aquarius rising (ruled by Uranus) who is all about change. 

And Obama's popularity and newness (Uranus) is bringing out all of the painful (Chiron) awkwardness of the guy who can't get a date with the press (McCain's Saturn/Venus opposition) who he complains has been ignoring him.  In fact, a Wall Street Journal headline asks, "Is McCain Stupid?" 

Over the next month McCain's progressed Virgo Moon will catch up to a conjunction with his progressed Mars/Midheaven conjunction.  It's quite possible that during this period we will see McCain blow up into one of his famous rages for which he has become so famous but which have been so notably absent during the campaign. 

In November transiting Saturn will oppose Saturn in his natal chart and set off the whole Venus/Chiron thing.  Typically we would expect this kind of cycle to denote a time of difficulty, but some powerful people can glean the most from this transit and use it to work their way to success.  This is not usually McCain's methodology, however, and I would guess that this Saturn event, coming around election time, will not be an easy one.  

 

from Lynn Hayes Blog:

http://blog.beliefnet.com/astrologicalmusings/

 

 


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 8/7/2008 6:04 AM
this lady is really funny!!  (But I also think the last sentence she writes, = 12th = prison( could be the hospital too), the 12th means either/or.
 
(excerpted) read the whole thing on the link.

The Saturn-Uranus Opposition on Election Day

I've been listening to astrologers say Wow the Saturn-Uranus opposition will be exact on Election Day and ignoring it. Nobody has really said what they think it will mean. At this point nobody really knows what anything means except that many people are forecasting Gloom & Doom.

I know people have been talking about the Saturn-Uranus opposition in terms of the fact that the transit will go exact on Election Day. And I figure that people have been discussing this in terms of how it hits the U.S. Chart which will be strongly affected by this transit.

Transiting Saturn 19 Virgo opposite t.Uranus 19 Pisces

U.S. Mars 22 Gemini square U.S. Neptune 23 Virgo

That's pretty close.

The U.S.: Mars in Gemini to Neptune in Virgo square. That explains why the U.S. Media is as deceptive as the Government, but more fun to watch. Kind of weird that we're known for talking loudly, guess the Mars is dominant here. At any rate, that's a real Bread & Circus aspect. Build it and they will come... Like all things on the planet, there's a good side and a bad side to the aspect. And God knows if the U.S. doesn't figure out some new Dream to build on we're going to Hell in a Hand Basket. Pluto's been out in Sagittarius tickling that square with threats and Al Gore. Ideas anyone? GE just sold its lightbulb division. Time for a new Edison.

T. Saturn will be on the U.S. Neptune in Virgo. That's Depression. Cant' See the Forest for the Trees Depression. Bad Hygiene Depression. If I've told you once, I'll tell you a million times, watch your hands. Mars will be out in Gemini challenging this Depression, probably frantically trying to wash its hands of this Depression, with all kinds of Geminian ideas of how to fix things. And since Mercury will be squaring Uranus, it's higher octave, the U.S. might be really trying to bring about some Innovation. (Mars in Gemini definitely is going to want a new type of car, painted red with plenty of rpm's, whatever they are.) With the t-square, though, we might have to go through a phase of "Build It and It will Fall Apart." Humor will be needed. Sagg Rising Humor, not Gemini Rising humor, by the way.

So, then I looked at John McCain's chart and Barack Obama's charts to see where the Saturn-Uranus opposition will be placed and what it's hitting, bam, bam, bam.

In Obama's chart, Uranus has been in his first House. That's why he's all about being the Maverick. Uranus also rules his Chart. This will be opposed by Saturn in the 7th. I'm reading some negative interps into that which I don't want to say. Overall, I think the time is right for him as long as he doesn't forget about the Country. And Neptunians, they do tend to forget...

Thing about Obama's chart that I really don't like is the Sun-Neptune square which is deceptive and the fact that Neptune is hitting his Ascendant right now which is going to emphasize. We've already had 8 years of leaders going through heavy Neptune transits and it's been pretty disastrous. If Obama finds a healthy, sincere, upbeat, honest group of people to run the country it will be a miracle. He has to get over the fact that with Neptune and Uranus in the 1st house, he is the one he wants to be his own miracle. And it's not really about him. It's about the Country. The whole Country. Not just White Ivy Leaguers and Blacks.

Then there's John McCain. This guy has close to a Grand Square in his natal chart. What do you expect for a War Hero anyway? The Saturn-Uranus opposition is going to be laid over the Saturn-Neptune opposition. This is receiving squares from natal Jupiter and Chiron which are not opposing each other so the Grand Square thing isn't exact. If he's pacing himself well right now while Saturn is trampling his natal Sun he'll be fine. Saturn can wear you down. Republican masseuses and nutritionists round the country should be coddling this man. Yes, Cindy, you can give him up for that. I didn't say fondling.

I don't have the dates available for when John McCain was taken POW in Vietnam but do know that this Saturn-Uranus opposition is opposing itself from sometime in the 60s. So, he could be taken Hostage again. Is there any difference between a Vietnamese Prisoner of War camp and the White House? The oppositions I'm talking about are layered over his chart very close to the 6th-12th house axis, 12th house = prison.


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 8/14/2008 3:51 AM
President Barack Obama?
 
 

Despite the reservations, all five astrologers though Barack Obama would win, some more hesitantly than others. Bearing in mind that statistical research reveals that the vast majority of astrologers at US congresses vote for the Democratic Party, this is perhaps not surprising. However objective you think you are, the truth is that we are powerfully influenced by our preferences. Predicting a winner you dislike is unhealthy, because there is a tendency to want that person to win to fulfill your prediction.

HOROSCOPE: 4th August 1961 19.24 Honolulu. (AS 18.03 AQ)

 

The horoscope is quite surprising because it places the Ascendant ruler Saturn in the 12th and the Sun in Leo in the 6th house. Both these planets are dignified in their own signs, which is very helpful for success, but the 6th / 12th house emphasis is said to be weak. It certainly tones down the arrogance, of which Obama is accused (they spotted that Leo), and emphasizes the sacrifice and service element. Both Bush and Blair have their Sun in the 12th house, so it would seem this is an important position in politics.

With such a fine testimony to the birth time, it is tempting to check out the progressions to see if the time is backed up by events. And it is. Obama’s parents were separated when he was about two years old, and this is the time when the MC/IC axis moves from Scorpio to Sagittarius. Being born with the axis in the 28th degree of Scorpio/Taurus is a sign of much residency instability and change in life. When he was 6, his mother remarried and moved to Indonesia for four years �?this was exactly the time when his progressed Descendant conjoined Uranus and subsequently went over the nodes in Leo/Aquarius �?his first baptism in an international environment.

He returned to the island of Hawaii when the Ascendant changed sign into Pisces, going on to trine Venus in Cancer �?he went to live with his maternal grandparents. Earlier his MC/IC axis had squared Chiron and Pluto, which suggests a wrenching upheaval from his mother. Later in 1982, when his biological father (who he only saw once after the birth year in 1971) was killed in a car accident, he was experiencing a progressed full moon with the Sun on Pluto and the moon on Chiron.

Obama graduated from Harvard in 1991 with the Ascendant progressed at 25 Pisces trining Saturn �?the previous years had activated his incredibly hard-working Saturn/Mars trine in Earth. The MC progressed was trine the North Node the same year, and shortly afterwards he married. As his Ascendant entered Aries and MC Capricorn in 1995 things really started moving for home. Around the time when his Ascendant progressed squared Venus in Cancer, his mother died of ovarian cancer and he became elected democratic senator for Illinois state senate �?progressed IC was on Venus. His political career advanced through the nineties and in November 2004 he was elected to the Senate with Ascendant progressed at 12 Aries exactly trining his Sun in Leo. 

What then do the progressions show for the all-important election on November 4th 2008? Not a lot. By this time the progressed Ascendant is at 17.14 Aries and the MC progressed at 12.10 Capricorn, which is �?perhaps auspiciously and perhaps not �?quincunx his Sun. It should be noted that the mid-point of Venus and Mars in Obama’s chart is exactly on his Leo sun, which may account for his charisma and popularity. His progressed Sun is at 28.14 Virgo which is actually trine his progressed Jupiter at 27.20 Capricorn, but this probably refers to his success since he announced his candidacy. In late 2010 the Sun progresses into Libra and trines his radix Jupiter.

But his progressions do reveal several astonishing influences. Firstly the progressed Moon at this time is at 16.18 Aquarius, which means that at the time of the inauguration it will be within ½ degree of his Ascendant, which is surely a sign the people of America �?in the US chart the Moon is at 27 Aquarius �?is fully behind him. And when you bear in mind that the inauguration takes place on January 20th with the Sun at 0.47 Aquarius �?which is the position of Obama’s Jupiter (0.52) �?and that retrograde Mercury at this time is also at 0.41 Aquarius, the omens look very good for him. If you support Obama rather than McCain, that is a good sign. This is actually the time when Jupiter returns to Aquarius; at inauguration it is at 3.32 Aquarius, a Jupiter return for Obama.


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 9/11/2008 5:13 PM
Will the November Election sweep President Obama into the WH?
 
This astrologer thinks as I do, that the answer is yes, found in the Progressed Moon to the ASC.
 
 did suggest in that previous article that Obama would win the election, partly because of the activation of his Jupiter at the inauguration, and partly because during the course of election day the Moon is in Capricorn and when the election closes, in Hawaii at 8 p.m., the Moon is at 1.59 Aquarius. Thus the light is translated from Saturn in Capricorn, the old, to Jupiter in Aquarius, the young. The moon will be transiting Obama’s Jupiter position in the last hours of the election, suggesting a rising tide of euphoria. The fact that Obama’s progressed moon is about to conjoin his Ascendant completes the picture of being swept to power by the people.

Jupiter is interesting in Obama’s chart because it carries the water from Aquarius to bring sustenance to Capricorn, retrograding back to 27 Capricorn, and in fact turning direct by progression over the next 4 years. This does suggest a mission of bringing radical change to the political structure. His sun progressed trines Jupiter progressed now, and will trine the radix position in 2010. Another favorable indication on election day is that Saturn in Virgo trines Jupiter in Capricorn and both sextile Mars in Scorpio, which is a repeat of the Mars trine Saturn/Jupiter in Obama’s birth chart: This indicates that his organization talent pays off and that the country resonates with a belief that he is up to the job.


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