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ASTROLOGY : Wehrner Von Braun - Rocket Scientist ex Nazi recruit
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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoon  (Original Message)Sent: 4/26/2008 7:09 AM
 

[edit] Slave labor

SS General Hans Kammler, who as an engineer had constructed several concentration camps including Auschwitz, had a reputation for brutality and had originated the idea of using concentration camp prisoners as slave laborers in the rocket program. Arthur Rudolph, chief engineer of the V-2 rocket factory at Peenemünde, endorsed this idea in April 1943 when a labor shortage developed. More people died building the V-2 rockets than were killed by it as a weapon.[11] Von Braun admitted visiting the plant at Mittelwerk on many occasions, and called conditions at the plant "repulsive", but claimed never to have witnessed firsthand any deaths or beatings, although it became clear to him that deaths had occurred by 1944[12]. He denied ever visiting the Mittelbau-Dora concentration camp itself.

Adam Cabala reported (Ref 3):

[...] the German scientists led by Prof. Wernher von Braun also saw everything that went on every day. When they walked along the corridors, they saw the prisoners' drudgery, their exhausting work and their ordeal. During his frequent attendance in Dora, Prof. Wernher von Braun never once protested against this cruelty and brutality.

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On a little area beside the clinic shack you could see piles of prisoners every day who had not survived the workload and had been tortured to death by the vindictive guards. [...] But Prof. Wernher von Braun just walked past them, so close that he almost touched the bodies.

On August 15, 1944, von Braun wrote a letter (Ref 2) to Albin Sawatzki, manager of the V-2 production, admitting that he personally picked labor slaves from the Buchenwald concentration camp, who, he admitted 25 years later in an interview, had been in a "pitiful shape".

In Wernher von Braun: Crusader for Space numerous quotes from von Braun show he was aware of the conditions, but felt completely unable to change them. From a visit to Mittelwerk, von Braun is quoted by a friend:

It is hellish. My spontaneous reaction was to talk to one of the SS guards, only to be told with unmistakable harshness that I should mind my own business, or find myself in the same striped fatigues!... I realized that any attempt of reasoning on humane grounds would be utterly futile. (Page 44)



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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/26/2008 7:10 AM
Ralph asked me about his natal chart, so I looked it up and this is what I reported about it:
 
What I can see of his chart, is his 12th house, a Hidden House and "undermining" for most people, has seriously afflicted planets there, because Pluto & Mars, (underhanded perhaps, controlling type, with his Vital (Mars) or his behaviors.,in this house.
Not only this, but if we use the Placidius, he has his MOON here as well, conjunct to "Algol", which the Chinese & Arabs called, "Al Ghoul" or the "Piled up Corpses", fits well with his life as lived in Germany.,from this link, he knew & saw many who were dying.
 
He couldn't avoid seeing the "Piled up corpses", sort of like Cheney with his Algol conj. the MC conj. "uranus".
 
Not a lot differnet , but for Von Braun, "hidden" (12th house) and for Cheney the MC is the "open and public area".
 
Von Braun was all about "Von Braun" probably, as he had:
 
Aries Sun Aries Mercury Aries NN (about the self primarily)
Moon in TAU (conjunct closely to ALGOL)
Mars & Pluto in Gemini, (duality here).............says one thing does another.....traits.,but in the Hidden 12th house.
 
Venus in Pisces (always weak I think), plus it's conjunct Chiron. (this says he probably was too weak as he himself said, to protest, it was a ME vs  THEM.......survival for him. Probably that part is true.
 
I've seen far worse charts over the years, BUT, I've not seen a worse "Black Moon", meaning, his is in the (self-undoing) degree of
21CAPRICORN in the house of death.
Suggesting he was very materialistic, wanting to get ahead at all cost...but probably did not admit this to himself either.
The 8th house is also known as the "Other People's Assets" house.
 
He got ahead, but using "other's assets"........and being Aries Sun, it was about him mostly.
 
a Me, Me person.

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/26/2008 7:12 AM
See the BML for yourselves: 
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I've seen far worse charts over the years, BUT, I've not seen a worse "Black Moon", meaning, his is in the (self-undoing loss ) degree of
21CAPRICORN in the house of death.
 
Suggesting he was very materialistic, wanting to get ahead at all cost...but probably did not admit this to himself either.
The 8th house is also known as the "Other People's Assets" house.
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/26/2008 7:17 AM
Biography with PHotos of Von Braun and his Rocket:
 
 
The US (CIA) and secret government agencies, decided to take Germany's best & brightest, give them all access to America, and install them as our  primary scientists for the Rocket and Space Program just started after WW2.
 
This saved them from War Crimes with the other Nazis.....and Von Braun was always accused of having known of and even participated in (limited fashion), the various atrocities for his rockets.,and his own advancement under the Nazi controlling party., namely Hitler.
 
Could be, as VEnus in Pisces is weak.......not strong for a man.
 
I still think his BML tells the tale of him........
 
 
 
 

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