conjunction of pluto and ceres....both in hard aspect to the Sun with Mars in the mix .
 
ceres has been upgraded from an asteroid to a 'planetoid' recently ....and was also one of the key players, along with Pluto, in the myth of the abduction of Persephone to the underworld (basement)...Ceres being the distraught mother.

 

This myth surrounding Ceres sounds like the act being played out in the cellar of Frau Fritzl's house.

 

The chart of the daughter Elizabeth has frightening karmic undertones with her father/lover.

 

 

The Myth of Ceres cont'd :

 

"On the day of the abduction, 24/8/84, the Moon conjoined his Pluto-Ceres, activating it. On the day of his daughter’s escape, 26/4/8, Mars conjoined his Pluto-Ceres, attacking and destroying Fritzl the abductor.
 
Elisabeth Fritzl, his daughter, was born on 8 April 1966. When she was abducted, she had recently finished a Ceres Return, as well as Ceres trining her natal Pluto. When she escaped, Ceres was about to square her natal Pluto."

Mars came round to Josef Fitzle's Pluto/South Node/Ceres conjunction.... and aggressively attacked the fathers "past" ... and became the "God"  who released Elizabeth from her underworld.... returning her to the surface of the earth and a reuniting with her Mother.  

Revisiting Fritzel's Chart, I ran across 00TAU (see his Uranus position) and find this old interpretation fits well with his planet's ecliptic position conjunct the Star:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

that's an interesting site you've posted Debs, good to see so much information from so many different sources all gathered together there....well that's my afternoon taken care of!

oh also - I wanted to comment on that description, it really does strike a chord for him doesn't it. I think what I find most horrifying is that if anything had happened to him the entire family in the basement would have had to watch each other slowly starve to death with absolutely no way out and lain there for years, maybe forever unfound and his victims must have known it too. Given his age and that he did a lot of driving that was a fairly high risk factor. I don't know how somebody could go about their dailly business for years without that digging at their conscience.

 

 

In the end do you suppose it was, even in part, a conscious decision to risk exposure and end it all when one of the children from the basement became unconscious the way some serial killers want to be caught?

Ref: 

I've been watching a series recently called "Most Evil" (don't know if you've had that aired in America though I would have thought so) where a Forensic Psychiatrist analyses and rates the most famous cases factoring in upbringing and mental health. They show the ways in which certain mental health conditions affect brain functioning and how that relates to a lack of empathy, remorse etc.

 

Something I was unaware of before (not that it applies to this case that I know of but certainly to other cases) - apparently schizophrenia causes a decrease in brain matter, up to about 25% in 5 years, creating the resulting behavioural abnormalities. Frightening how frail the human brain can be.

 

It's very hard for me to try to get inside Fritzel's head, somehow it seems unthinkable that he was fully "sane", capable of conscience the whole time but managed to ignore it for 20 odd years.

 

Have just googled for an update - seems he did time for rape when younger and there is suspicion that he raped and murdered other teenage girls and he admitted he had incestuous feelings towards his mother growing up. Eventually his attention moved to the daughter/granddaughter in the basement that became unconscious which is probably why he didn't want her to die rather than trying to save her out of conscience now I think.

Quite a frightening thought that there are other Joseph Fritzles out there in the world. One could be anywhere.

 

I didn't know that about the brain matter ......is it only for Schizophrenia or other type of brain disorders, etc.

 

I don't know what is wrong with my youngest daughter, only Bi-Polar and Depression, but I think there is something VERY wrong with her....that is either undiagnosed yet, or worse, getting much worse. Her memories are all hers (not shared by others) in otherwords, barely coherent to others who shared the same life with her.

 

She takes one episode of a fact (let's say I purchased a box of wine which should last 6 months to a year) because we don't drink wine hardly. My husband never did, and I only sipped it occasionally because Edgar Cayce said "Drink Red Wine (not white), for building up the blood when anemic or with your periods......which I did for years

So she takes that one episode (or fact) and then creates in "her mind" some strange scenario with no basis in factual reality, that "mom is a drunk and dad is in denial".

 

 

It's far worse then this, but this is just one thing she has done and there are hundreds of similar equally damming statements and beliefs,.

I don't think for a minute that it's her fault, as it's a brain disorder or disease I'm certain that she TRULY does BELIEVE with all her heart these things that she's created in her head.

 

But they simply have no reality outside of her brain.

 

We are very heartsick & worried about her, and she's not getting any help for whatever it is and now it's getting worse.

 

She's starting again, after a lull, to force people who love her (her 2 sisters) out of her life again. In the past 5 years, she has equally befriended one at a time, then dismissed them out of hand if they say one thing about us, or suggest anything, she dismisses them from her life.

 

It's very sad, as everyone who loves her unconditionally, she does this to.

 

But those who used & abused her, she doesn't do this to.

 

VEry sad, but none of us knows what to do about it, as it's out of our hands now.

 

She's an adult & married to an adult.....and has children.

 

But very ill.

 

My husband thinks perhaps as an infant when she stopped breathing in her crib at one month old (crib death?) and he breathed into her and brought her back, that brain cells must have been at that point disturbed or killed.

 

Maybe he's right.

Sounds akin to some sort of delusional disorder, though it doesn't sound an extreme case such as when people believe that nazis/aliens/government agents etc are in a conspiracy against them and every insignificant thing that happens in the day is more "proof".

 

My brother and my mother are always unable to remember things as they happened, to the extent that my mother can rarely even relate a story she's just read in the paper accurately and my brother somehow remembers things as someone else's fault rather than his own (everything is a conspiracy against him) yet they're both violently adamant that their version of events is the correct version and everybody else must be wrong. My mother will vehemently deny that anyhing she can't remember (which is a lot of stuff) ever happened and that I am the one "making it all up" (projection) till I can pull out a photograph or other proof before she'll finally listen.

My mother I chalk up to her Sun/Moon/Neptune T-square, as for my brother, well it's harder to see what's caused the instability in his chart, seems to be more of a Plutonic jealousy thing with him (Sun conj Pluto with Asc and Uranus at 1 degree Scorpio).

 

I remember an article in the New Scientist years ago (it's ok, my memory is trustworthy) about long-term and short-term memory. Long-term memories are shifted and stored in a different part of the brain to short term memories, when you pull them up they again "move" to a processing part of the brain but all this shifting/time/the state of the neural connections etc can create inaccuracies or even gaps. They did some tests and showed how easy it was to modify or create false memories to a person's memory of an event without the person realising. Was an interesting article but I couldn't tell you where to start looking for that particular work now. 

 

You could be right that your daughter's brain was damaged through oxygen deprivation, with a lot of psychological disorders there is some organic damage or physical change to the norm. If she was only a short time without air (if your husband managed to bring her back without the need of hospital equipment it sounds as though it was a short time) it's likely she avoided any permanent damage as a result. If the damage were organic in this way I would have expected to see problems from the start, from a very small child. I believe (though my word is not gospel) the sort of changes than result in neurodivergency are more likely to be developmental changes as people grow which is why mental health problems usually don't become apparent in people until their 20s onward. In cases of abuse or rough life experiences this can be much earlier. For example the brains of neglected children who don't have a lot of social interaction will remain under-developed for life. If not in an environment with language at a young age they will never learn to speak as adults as the language part of the brain atrophies and this is an environmental factor affecting brain maturation rather than an organic or genetic cause. Then of course there's good old fashioned chemical imbalances that can be a root cause for some conditions too.

Obviously I am not suggesting neglect was in any way the case for your daughter, I am just trying to explain (poorly I fear!) how mental health problems can develop.

As to the red wine - this is another thing that Cayce beat the scientistst to then, they say that a glass a day is good for us, full of anti-oxidants. Shame I don't like red wine.

thanks for your input, it's a lot to think about when it comes to mental disorders, and yes it does sound like a Delusional type of thing going on.

 

As for neglect, if anything the opposite was in her case, total watchfulness and care, but her parents and even two sisters, all of us adored her, and still do.

Not the present behaviors of course, but as a human being, she is /was adoreable as the baby in the family, so we all took very special care of her needs.

 

It was only in middle school (around age 12-13) then that I can see a marked difference going on, around puberty. It is true from all accounts I've heard now, from a relative that she had been traumatized and abused in her teenage years by her own choice of friends, and she does have that Venus in Pisces which I never seem to see much good come out of as I watch others now with Venus in Pisces, always willling (more then willing) to give themselves over to others and t his is what she did especially to men.

 

This then, (and a subsequent abortion) as a young teen, hidden well from everyone in her family obviously has worked on her in a very sinister way to lay blame on everyone but herself or the correct party.

We cannot blame her of course, as she was a victim, of herself and her choices from all we understand, BUT, it's beyond awful to see her waste away in this mental state.

 

Anger, bitterness, delusions all are part of her daily life.,for too  many years to even count any longer.

 

So I'd say it was probably around age 12 when she started to choose rather poorly the friendships which eventually brought her down in life.

 

Venus in Pisces I think is dreadful and I haven't seen much good from this placement for many girls.

 

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As for the Wine (Red), Try red grapes then, (not green), it's all the same.

 

IF a red or rose type of wine, he recommended using dark breads as a kind of meal, (just the dark, brown/black breads dipped in the wine) for a small meal/snack to build up blood in the body.

 

Reminds us of Jesus and his last meal.