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ASTROLOGY : Serial Killers or vicious crimes of Pisces/Cancer
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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoon  (Original Message)Sent: 7/21/2008 9:14 PM
Serial or vicious murders showing no empathy would  incude:
 
1)Dennis Rader (the BTK Killer) or Bind, Tape, Kill
has his Sun 19Pisces and his Mercury (27PIS) conjunct fixed star Scheat (much pain suffered in his early life)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Rader
 
2)Scott Dyleski (killed visciously, Pam Vitale the lawyer's wife)  he was underage
with Moon in Cancer Mars in Pisces (conjunct Scheat)
http://www.courttv.com/news/horowitz/photo_gallery/index.html
 
3)John Wayne Gacy (the "Killer Clown") who buried dozens of young boys under his crawlspace
   has Pisces Moon at 28 deg. Pisces, AGAIN, conjunct Scheat
   has Sun in Pisces at26 deg.      
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gacy                 "              "
 
4)Lyle Menendez (viscious shotgun killing of both parents)in Beverly HIlls  Mars in Pisces
   Eric Menendez   "          "           "             "          "                              Mars in Pisces
both blamed their parents for torturing them
 
5)Timothy McVeigh - young ex soldier from theGulf War says he learned to kill over there
became the Oklahoma City Bomber to avenge the killings of the GulfWar he said
had his Moon in Pisces 18 degrees
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh
 
6) Richard Allen Davis  Triple Cancer (Moon Mercury Venus) killed Polly Klass age 12 after kidnapping her.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Allen_Davis
 
this is just a few of them I know of.


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 7/21/2008 9:15 PM

It is in my nature to automatically "put myself into other people's shoes", as my mother (a wise Sagittarius lady) taught me to do from the time I was born.
I can't imagine people who don't, but I do see this everyday.
 
I checked my Dwad placements just for fun, and find that my Dwad Rising Sign is 23 Pisces,
as is my husband's Dwad Sun at 23 Pisces.
I suppose it goes rather well with our similar Cancer placements, (his the moon, mine is Rising both in Cancer)
 
I can't fathom or understand people who have no hearts. But I see it all the time.
 
as for Joseph Mengele, who had Pisces at the MC 24 deg.,1st planet to rise in the 12th when he was born was Pluto, with Neptune in Cancer in the 1st house; there are many mitigators in his chart to be taken as a whole.
 
Linda Goodman once wrote that the Pisces child who was neglected,(and I think Cancer children too?)
can be some of the more notorious cases of good gone bad. Potential good that is, because of the great sensitivity nature that is born here.,that IF they have parents that abused, hit or weren't keyed to their children's sensitivities, they can then turn around and be some of the most heartless, obnoxious angry human beings on this earth.
 
The study of serial murderers, brings out many many Pisces & Cancer Sun & Moon positions which seems to verify Goodman's opinion.
 
It probably would have been good to study the charts of Mengele;s parents too, but we only have his own.
As such, I see that he had Moon in air Libra; in the 4th house of  home, and it was the only aspect to the moon being square to Neptune.
 
I think Neptune can be seen as a secondary ruler of Cancer? his rising sign........hence, they are not in good stead at all from day one.
Here is a link about Esoteric Astrology and it's Rulers applied:
 
The Esoteric Rulerships of the Signs
http://www.aplaceinspace.net/Pages/CandyJourneyoftheSoul.html
 
These rulerships may seem odd at first, but a deeper study will reveal their significance.
 
Aries - Mercury
Taurus - Vulcan
Gemini - Venus
Cancer - Neptune
 
Other "mitigations" that I see in Mengele's chart would be the following:
 
Venus in Aries (it's detriment)
Venus square Neptune and Uranus
(potential for sadism)
 
Uranus also square to Saturn
Mars square to Saturn (speaks of cruelty potential from father)
Pluto square Sun & Mercury (   "     "           "          "     "     )
 
Jupiter near the critical 15th deg.of Scorpio 5th house conjunct his South Node.
 
All of these things must be taken into consideration and not just that he is a Sun Pisces. 
 

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From: AstrologSent: 10/1/2008 4:14 AM
Dear Deb,
 
I think that Richard Ramirez also had a Pisces Sun.  He was a Satan worshipper too.
 
Lilli

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From: AstrologSent: 10/1/2008 4:40 AM
Check out the Nightstalker's chart, Richard Ramirez, also Pisces, very afflicted Piscean.
 
Lilli
 astro_w2gw_17_richard_ramirez_nightstalker_hp_12971_10985.gif  

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 10/2/2008 7:39 PM
Hi Lili: Actually there is confusion about this man's birthdate.
 
Is it the 28h, as my chart indicates, (as well as Lois Rodden's site indicated by one of their posters) see Link here: scroll down to Ina Mitchells's response on him including :
Richard Ramirez is also interesting. He has Sun, Moon and Mercury in Pisces. Highlight here: no major aspects to Saturn, except a sq. to the M.C. There's a Sun/Pluto opp. with Pluto in the 9th. No Sun/Mars aspect either.
 
 
 
OR is it the same as Wikipedia suggests, i.e. your chart, the 29th?
 
Either way, it's a bad chart , for either day.
 
Astrotheme , the French site is  using the 28th, which is what I used years ago:
 
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 10/2/2008 7:46 PM
The clown killer John Wayne Gacy is also Pisces Sun, Moon & Mercury.
 
scarey stuff!
 
Pisces is really a very weak sign (they say), esp. if it's Saturn, (lack of self-discipline), or Mars (inconsistent goals), or Mercury (decreased confidence)
I've found women especially with Venus in Pisces tend to sacrifice themselves, to the point where they lose their own self in others.,not at all a good thing.
 
But then again, how many of us can resonate to the Christ or Jesus Pisces? very few, but he was one, if Cayce's time of birth is correct, having his Sun at 28Pisces and even Venus in Pisces 24 deg. the ultimate Sacrifice
 
 

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