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DREAMS : a Daughter's Dream of her Parents..........
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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoon  (Original Message)Sent: 3/23/2007 7:00 PM
My oldest daughter, Becky, is getting ready to move away, far away from her family.  Her "old" family consists of 2 sisters, both younger then she, in which she played an integral role in their lives as the older one with the "to look up to" type of position, (they both love her ).......
 
It's kind of funny, in a way, because before I had ANY children I remember telling my husband, I'd want 3 children.
 
He & I both came from a 2 Sibling home.  With him, he had an older sister (one year older).......and they NEVER were close....although friendly even today.  She is a Leo (a Stellium in the first house)in Leo, and is a center stage person, and HE is a very "behind the scene" Libra Sun/Scorpio Rising with a very sensitive heart (Cancer)moon.
 
Anyway, seeing that Ralph & Bonnie, weren 't the closest of siblings, and seeing that myself, and my 2 year younger sister weren't close either, worried me when I first married.
 
(me a Capricorn Sun, the older, and Connie, a Libran Sun, who became a life-long Hippie), presently a College Professor, but still a hippe as she told my mom once.
 
Not a whole lot in common then.
 
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So, in keeping with the desire (deep desire of a true soulful type), that I would be "better off" with 3 children, and not 2 as I told my husband "That way, IF ever any of the 2 were not speaking, there would ALWAYS be a Mediator between them, one person who "mediates", and is there for the other
(unlike what Ralph or I had in life........being essentially alone when times got rough)........never a sibling to talk to.,who cared.
 
This then is the daughter I refer to in the Dream I'll relate.
 
She is the "Mediator", I' had "Desired" and "Dreamt of" prior to giving birth to my 3 girls.
 
She has an ongoing relationship at ALL times, with BOTH her sisters, even though the 2 younger ones were estranged for many years. (the youngest with emotional & mental issues), who did away with her entire family....because of these issues.
 
NOW, this "Mediator", is leaving our state.........leaving town.,for her husband's great new position (job career) he is embarking on.
 
Leaving essentially a "mess" behind, which "stinks" for the parents & even for the 2 sisters who she'll be leaving behind, as well............because, although they've "recently" reconciled, there is still an ongoing, "Secret agreement, not to speak the truth, and the younger still remains ill (in mind, soul & heart)..................
 
So, it was and is with much hurt that this older daughter is leaving them , as well as us, (we'll miss her & our grandchildren)......
BUT, she as the older daughter, apparently, had her OWN issues and wasn't helpful at all (as I had always dreamt of), while the younger one was hateful towards her other sister & parents, (in other words, Becky was neutral, and not a real help to any of us during the past 4 years while she lived in our town)......
 
Becky was "for Becky"......and this is acknowledged as well as "justified" in her mind (a Virgo Moon)........who reasons, (to her own mind) analyzes, etc, beyond emotions........
 
Now this is the dream she gave me yesterday:
 
(I post it for the benefit of learning about our symbols, our puns in the dream world, and more depth concerning our dream life)....
 
 


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 3/23/2007 7:08 PM
the Dream:
 
                Becky said she dreamt a vivid and lucid dream one that stayed with her,unlike any others recently, and she asked for my help with the recalling it, (symbols & puns):
 
Dream:
 
..............I dreamt that I visited mom & dad, with Lindsey (her 8 yr.old daughter), and there were "dead people" in the house, behind a bedroom door.
 
I said to mom, "Why are there dead people there, and  did you call someone to help? to Remove them??"
 
Becky said to me (in the dream), "They are beginning to smell, and it's permeating thru the walls"..........and "I'm leaving now, with Lindsey", so you need to call someone to help get rid of the bodies........."
 
"Mom (deb), said, "no I     hadn't called or advertised the bodies....yet".....so no one can come & pick them up.,but perhaps I should??
Becky said, "Yes, let's look in the phone book an call a company or someone who does this, "picks up dead bodies".
 
Then someone came to the house, (a girl who looked very nice, kind of like a Mormon type of dress (long dress), who came to help & get the bodies...............
 
the dream then switched to Becky on the lawn of her NOW house, sprinkling with water, & the hose, the plants (as she does daily)........and "recoiling the hose" back to the hose holder when she finished.
 
Next, she "looked up " and saw on the street, "Anglemyer" driving by in an "Old Isuzu" vehicle, dark (black), with a sticker on it, that said "Arlington"......................it filled her with fright & dread.
 
end of dream
 
 
Interpretation next (that I gave to Becky)
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 3/23/2007 7:12 PM
typo - amendment to dream:
 
...............after the "Dead Bodies" in the house scenario, Becky also said, that I (mom), was speaking of my mother (her grandmother) who died in 1997(novemeber) and who was my best friend in time of need as well as my husbands' and we still miss her presence  greatly.
 
Becky said, "Mom was speaking of Grandmom, (my mother), and acting like she was STill alive, (and she knew she was dead), but mom spoke as if grandmom was still alive, saying "grandmother wants a huge $11-12,000.00 coffin" she is planning for her own funeral, and when she dies, she wants this big , showy & expensive  coffin, (lol)
 
Becky said, Mom, - she's dead already!!!!
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 3/23/2007 7:28 PM
Interpretation of dream:
 
The first part starts with the "dead bodies" and Becky & Lindsey wanting to leave town......This I said, is very literal, there ARE "dead bodies", everywhere, and Becky IS leaving town.
 
Meaning the "dead relationships", are STILL a part of our consciousness, (mom & dad's consciousness), everyday.
 
The fact that Becky said to us, "They are starting to STINK" (the fumes are permeating the walls), I said, is a PUN, and the PUN is "Stinks"...........
 
YES, the entire situation that Becky leaves behind indeed "Does Stink"....................
 
The part of my mother (her grandmother who died Nov. 1998), wanting a BIG funeral, with a big fancy coffin, is kind of cute, as it's very much my mother's "style",
Mom (her grandmom), was a Sagittarius, who "lived big",  but also, was a funny, loving, and very very poor person, when young, so she constantly bought things for others & even herself occassionally, always giving them (the material possessions away within a week of purchase).
So the FACT that the dream, depicts her as "wanting an oppulent 12,000.00 coffin, is really mom's way"........although in reality, we had her cremated (her wishes).
 
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This then, is a depiction in the dream state (the subconsicous mind) of Becky's identification with her grandmoom, of a person who LIVED large, by most standards )
 
sometimes bordering on "gawdy", lol.
 
BUT the fact that she said in the dream, "Mom, she's dead" reminding me of this fact, and that I spoke of my mother (her grandmother) as though she was STILL alive.
 
Symbol of the love my husband & I have Still for this person, who we knew as my mother, and the happiness in our lives she usually brought, "lives on".....and we DO keep this memory very much alive.,in front of Becky & others.
 
 
There was also, in this house a "Wrap around porch", which I told Becky the symbols meant,
 
............."No one is REALLY dead or gone forever"
and this dream is telling you this.....The wrap - around porch, is symbolic of "All my life's a circle", (Harry Chapin's song)
that we all are again together,,.....and the "dead" part is only a temporary illusion.
 
The dream's part of the "stench" permeating the walls, is symbolic of the STILL dead relationships which surround her mom & dad (us)
The FACT that we still don't have Jess in our lives, nor our twin granddaughters, is this symbol in the dream........and that "STINKS".(a pun for stench)
 
The part about the watering of the lawn, and the hose, (taken out lengthwise, and then recoiling it to the holder), is
a symbol of Emotions.......
......Taking out one's emotion's then recoiling, or putting them back inside.....a rather inconsistent contrast mostly, the two polar opposites
(something Becky didn't disagree with at all, as this IS her personality - a very Cancerian Sun, and a very contrasted Virgo (analytical) Moon child.
 
The seeing of "Anglemeyer" driving by in an "Old Isuzu" with a sticker saying "Arlington", which brought DREAD to her is very important, IMO.
 
.....................it essentially is saying that her moving back east to where we use to live, is the PAST (Anglemyer was a guy who we needed a restraining order to keep him away from Becky just before she married Tom).........and this part of the dream is showing, she's moving back to the Past, needing then to confront those "past images and ghosts".
This part of the life, she dreads (subconsciously).......not consciously)...
 
He (Anglemyer) is something no one would want to confront (in reality).......and in this dream is a symbol of that.
 
the name alone, "Angle" he was an Aries, a control freak who AlWAYS played the angles........perhaps his representation in the dream will play out in the future.....
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 3/23/2007 8:53 PM
Ref:             Then someone came to the house, (a girl who looked very nice, kind of like a Mormon type of dress (long dress), who came to help & get the bodies...............
 
.............
I saw this part of her dream, as my husband did too, being the "Call for help", is of course, (us)..........calling out for help, but receiving none.
 
The young woman who did come to the house (a symbol for consciousness),
to eventually "help", is my middle daughter Jen, who at Christmastime, made a very courageous visit to her sister Jess' new husband at his workplace (where he is the boss)
 
This impromptu visit, is going a LONG WAY towards helping her sister (the youngest) and healing eventually the estrangement between at least these two.
 
My daughter Jen, went there, (not to help herself,), but as an act of heart to help her parents (her true motivation then)......
 
We've thanked her, and the dream of Becky's is reflecting this as the girl who came to help.........

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From: AstrologSent: 4/28/2007 4:09 AM
NIGHTMARES ALL LAST NIGHT
 
Hello all.
 
Last night I slept in the house Mom and Dad left me, and they lived there over 40 years, but both are now dead.  I dreamed about both of them last night.  I dreamed
that "something was wrong with Daddy,"  and he was sick, and someone was at the door, and it was the Rescue Squad.  I kept saying, "Daddy, do you feel better?"
Mom was walking around in her nightgown, and she seemed unconcerned about Dad.   She told me she got her period back, and I said, "But, Mom you are 91!".
She was 91 when she died.
 
Lilli

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/28/2007 6:59 AM
oh my Lilli.........(hugs).....what a dream.
 
I think it may just be having been in the house of course, the old memories and your constant worry about your mother
and dad.
 
You know, it may even be possible, that the connection of the 3 of you, or perhaps your mother & yourself, is such that you are part of an energy unit, a soul unit......as such, and she will be on the astral realm until you yourself pass over when old.......
 
There REALLY is no "time" you know, other then what we perceive here in this awareness and over there (the spiritual realms), time is like an instant...between NOW (for you here) and when you are old and rejoin them.
 
 
Is anyone living in the house or are you just renting it out?
 
I thought you lived in a different one  in the country?
 
I  had a wierd dream too, but didn't post soon enough now I forgot it.
 
oh well, perhaps the period thing, is just saying that your mom, (on the other side), now is young again, and that's her way of "expressing" or creating the vision for you (the symbol  ) of youth again to you in the dream state.
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/28/2007 6:27 PM
You know I was thinking of you last night, and thought, when my father in law died in 1999 (June), he stayed a long time, in the vicinity of where he died, the apartement they lived in for 30 years......oftentimes, his family would dream of him, and they'd see him wandering there.......of course there were other dreams as well, as he made quite an impact on  people while alive, and his grandchildren, including my own kids, dreamt of him often.
 
Becky (the oldest) finally, had enough of it, and suggested to him he needed to "move on" now.......
 
She was probably the one to have the most dreams, each night it seemed of him visiting her, (Shes super sensitive, with a Cancer Sun, and 12th house & 8th house Moon Pluto & Uranus (VERY active 8th house energies of the higher sort),  with a 12th house Jupiter.
 
I think she finally took it upon herself, to say "enough is enough", after she & I talked about the energies which persist after death....and the "hold" of her grandfather on the earth plane.......he had left. (but never really did)
 
Her grandmother (my mom) had died just 6 months prior to her grandfather's death (Ralphs dad).......
 
My mom, came to Becky too a few times in the dreams as well, but then came to her to say she was moving on ........letting go, and came to say her goodbyes. It was quite a startling dream, perhaps, I'll put it on the dream board later.
 
Anyway, I think that's why Becky then finally just told her grandfather he NEEDED to move on too..........and let go of this plane of awareness.
 
From everything I've read, (Cayce, etc), they, in the astral realms can hold on, (in awareness) for a long long time, because there is NO time.....
 
just awareness.
 
So, perhaps the BEST for everyone concerned then, Lilli, is to pray for them, their souls, and to let the energy go in peace, as they WILL be there when you cross over...
 
as souls, can also move higher and onward, but yet, "project" a part of themselves, from their higher station, to you, upon your own death.
 
It may be only fear that keeps them tied to you,and you to them on this astral realm, fear of not being together again.
 
This however, will not be a reality, you WILL be together, because anything forged in love, as Jesus promises, will always be there for you, and you only need faith in his promises, to realize this.
 
(meaning all of us, not just you of course..........we all need faith and belief that this is so........
 
 

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