A new chart to consider:

 

using Bakersfield California as the "Querent"'s location

at 1:51 AM  April 18, 2007 (as per post 13) as posted time:

 

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I think ? we need to first locate the true Querent(mother) in the chart...4th house Moon.,perhaps accompanied by the father (Sun).

 

Other then noticing Neptune in the 1st conjunct Chiron, I need to beg off, as I just am not good enough, studied enough to really give it a go.......I think oneiro is more proficient then I am by her posts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm so happy for you. That's wonderful news, because where there is life, there is always hope

Cation & Oneiro: post 19,

 

look how Saturn (restrictions?) is opposite Neptune in the 1st house and conjunct Chiron.

 

Restrictions then? via the mind (delusions about religion and following another).......undermining then, in the house of self (identity) or 1st house.

 

Pluto in the 12th makes a great deal of sense, IF it's subconscious "mind control".

 

AND the next planet, after Pluto (control) is Jupiter (religion)or higher philosphy.

 

 

How about the "House of Values" being exceedingly busy in this chart?    With Uranus here, a quirk, or unusual value is being tried on? (i.e. Mars with the NN between Uranus & Mars in the house of Values)

 

Food for thought.

1st Horary (post 10)

 

has Jupiter (Religion) in 1st house (self identity) and in Philosophical/Regious sign of Sagittarius. (rebellious religious beliefs)

 

Pluto there as well (transformation catalyst) or control.

symbolically.

 

In the 12th is the Moon. (emotions) in the hidden house or psychological house of Neptune.

 

Interesting too, as an aside that since he is caught up in some sort of religious cult, and the Sun in post 10's chart, is in Pisces and the AC in Sagittarius, both "religion & philosophy signs".  Both, in the ancient days, (prior to Neptune's discovery) were ruled by the planet  Jupiter.

 

 

Glad to hear you've had contact from him at last! Even I had a big sigh of relief when I read this!

 

Down South eh? So much for all that water equals North business then!

 

The first chart had his significator conj with Neptune and with Jupiter in the 1st house and the chart ruler, as Debs pointed out, perhaps we were looking in the wrong places. In the sidereal chart his significator was in the kite aspect trining that 1st house Jupiter, Saturn and sextiling Neptune, maybe that's what all the Pisces stuff was about, the "institution" was a religious one rather than a hospital (phew) and with Saturn in the mix maybe he did feel it was fated. Maybe the Aquarian/Uranus influences show in that it's a cult rather than a popular religion. He is with other people (the aquarius again) and I suppose all the Pisces is the ocean rather than just a small body of water. Perhaps with the planets being at the bottom of the chart we should have read that he was in a place of low elevation (i.e. sea level) rather than in a hilly place, which Aquarius also stands for.

Was it a sudden whim to join them rather than something that's been at the back of his mind for a while? Perhaps we should have tried looking at his chart and transits to shed extra light on him. Still, knowledge after the fact always points out the bits we missed eh! Well, that's amateurs for you! ;)  

 

Looking for some more reasoning behind the timing takes me back to the first horary (western style) chart that was posted - Cation is symbolised by Jupiter and her son by Mercury. Today (the day after contact?) Mercury exactly trines Jupiter, though it would have gone through the square aspect first, and no news reached you then.

 

Well I have to say that this is all quite a strange synchronicity for me today as I'm off to a going away party for the friend I mentioned here before who'se off to try monastic life for 3 months!

Oh also re the timing - in the sidereal chart Mars =Cation and Venus=son. At the time they were out of aspect and only today/last night finally come into aspect, within 1 degree of orb today, (though they are square).

 

I guess both styles have been fairly similar in several ways.

I like this and hope I can learn to remember just how literal some of the signs in the horary can be (such as water i.e. Pisces), even "Oceans" i.e. Neptune , and "groups", i.e. Uranian or Aquarius, all good points.......and salient ones too!

 

           He is with other people (the aquarius again) and I suppose all the Pisces is the ocean rather than just a small body of water. Perhaps with the planets being at the bottom of the chart we should have read that he was in a place of low elevation (i.e. sea level)

 

 

and WHY in Sidereal, would Mars be the mom? and Venus the son?

 

just curious, how you arrived at these symbols.

 

BTW, we'll need to follow the life of your dear friend, and I hope he fares well with his new life......Wish him well for meit sounds fascinating too............

 

Let's hope he fares better then the attacked link here my husband found on the internet today:

 

 6 photos here........one worse then the other......or at least curious to say the least!!

post 30 (Freudian slip?) "Attacked link", should say "Attached"

Rival monk gangs?? Well well! I read the webpage of the monastery our friend is going to and the guy running it seems to go to Vietnam occasionally to try to help heal their old wounds there. He was there recently - seems he has a lot of work on his hands.

 

As to the stellorium links, that does look very intriguing, thanks to you and Flash for pointing it out, at the moment however our home computer is too low on disc space (thanks to my father hoarding junk on it and downloading more every day) to dare downloading anything, in fact I'm surprised it still works at all...(less than 200Mb space yesterday) if I do suddenly have a very quiet spell, well, it's nothing personal.

 

Now as to your questions about significators - in horary charts they say that the planetary ruler of the Asc sign represents the questioner (in this case it was Cation). The 7th house being the house of other people they use the planetary ruler of the Desc ruler to represent the person who is in question (in this case her son).

Hence in the 1st horary we did the Asc was Sag and the Desc Gemini thus Jupiter is said to represent Cation and Mercury her son. In the second (sidereal) it was Scorpio and Taurus thus Mars and Venus.

Some of the rules for horary seem to really stump me as for their reasoning, few are obvious, it's a completely different way of doing astrology isn't it, going to take a lot of practice I think before I feel comfortable with it but at least I've made a start on it now!