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DREAMS : dream of the dead
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From: MSN NicknameFlashgordGem  (Original Message)Sent: 7/24/2007 5:01 AM
hi ,
last nights dream was interesting. it was only after i woke and thought about the people i dreamed about that i realised thy had passed on.
 
the first part i was in a car park area at ground level. i was with lloyd from work and we met up with a guy who worked with me years ago.his name is joe.i was friends with this guy,he was one of the nicest people at booker(my old workplace). as soon as i saw him i said hi joe and do you remember me? i worked with you around the year 2000. we then all walked towards a red van parked in the car park,there was someone else with us too ,a younger kid that i dont know the name of?
we got in the back of the van and i said hello to the driver,and tried my best to cheer him up as he seemed quite upset, his name was kirk,he also worked at booker when i worked there,he worked closely with joe (they were both butchers).then we were passed alchohol and lemonade ,all of us who were sitting in the back of the van opened up some cans of guiness and we all said cheers and drank.i said "nastravoy" which is czech for cheers.i remember the young guy who sat to the left of me that i didnt know the name of wasnt enjoying the drink much he pointed out that the lemonade mixture which had ice cubes in it also had garlic in it? after this the dream changed.
 
later i dreamt i again was in a car park,this time it was a multistorey one,and i was on a higher floor off the ground. there was alot of comotion going on around me around 20-30 people were all talking amoungst themselves,the police arrived,as something had happened (im not sure what?) i went to the public toilet situated at the edge of the tower block as i needed to urinate.there were a few policemen in the toilet while i was in there.after i walked out i was told to close the door by my mother as the smell from the toilets wasnt very nice. we were all standing and getting ready for the approaching english royalty. they seemed to be flying in as when i looked to my left i could see it was the edge of the tower and they were going to walk in out of the air! i could see something hovering a distance away and getting closer,and soon enough the queen appeared and walked onto the ledge.she started talking to my mother.they chatted for ages,i got that feeling my mum was being abit over the top and demonstrating some of her negative gemini charachteristics (gossiping).soon after this the queen mother appeared ,she came in on an electric motorised old person car. as she went by we all stood respectivly and i stood to attention. when she had passed me by i looked to my right and saw that the crowd of people all were doing the same except they had their eyes closed? i thought maybe i should be doing the same,so i closed my eyes and as soon as i did this i began to loose balance and was having trouble standing up properly! when i did this (closed my eyes) everyone then woke up and opened their eyes. so i did the same. the queen mum had passed through.
 
i cant really remember dreaming of people who have passed away before, on occasions ive dreamt of megan (our spaniel) who passed away a few years ago.but last nights dream featured more than one person, joe died in the time i was working with him,and the queen mum passed away a few years ago.


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 7/25/2007 1:13 AM
some ideas here to consider:      
 
 (There are also PUNS, which I'll highlight in blue)
 
These two dreams are replete with "Contrasts"...........like black & white are contrasts, so these two dreams both are giving you many contrasts about life..........
for instance:
 
Dream #1: Car Park on ground level.....Red van....."regular people" the "Commoners" (so to speak).... drinking beer & ale. However the young guy, showed clearly, what "doesn't mix" together.......
two distinct contrasts.(being the lemonade and the garlic ) about as contrasted as one can describe.
 
Dream #2: Elevated car park - above ground......."motorised and fancy little vehicle"...."Royals" as opposed to commoners.
fancy vehicle as opposed to red van ......
The "smell" is reminiscent of the common folk.,perhaps, as royalty "almost doesnt' pee or take a leak in public, LOL)
 
these then are just some of the stark Contrasts between the two.,saying that life has many contrasts then that you are observing.
But in the end.........we are ALL the same, as your mum and the queen "gossip for a long time", is saying that they (the royals), although having a fancier "conveyance" as in station in life; STILL are the same as you & I. They gossip, they simply drive or get around in a fancier digs......i.e. fancier vehicles, housing,etc. but in the end still the same.
 
Now, the 2nd Dream where you tried to fit in with the "crowd" that too is a pun. Here in America we say "fitting in with the crowd".....maybe they say the same in the UK?
We all do this, as we all want to be liked don't we??........so we attempt to try & fit in, as in the first dream with the Toast (but your toast was slightly different then the others, instead of Cheers, you said, something "foreign" then shows you are distinct from them
 
Trying to fit in, but still retain your "distinctness" or unique quality of indiviudalization.
 
This is what souls are!  Edgar Cayce says the personality (on earth) is the active principle here in this plane of existence, but Soul itself, he says, has an "Individuality"......in the other realms.
 
I think using the toast as a different foreign toast is saying then, you want to be seen as getting along with everyone, but still retaining your own individuality as well.
 
2nd Dream has other puns:
 
Closing your eyes because they did, is showing you that when you "follow the crowd", you essentially, "lose your balance"....as a soul.
This is a pun then, IMO.
 
The fact they "Woke up", means, again as a contrast to consider, they "were asleep?".......two opposites then.
 
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You didn't say IF you "knew" that Joe was dead in the dream.
Sometimes we dream of the dead, and recognize them as supposed to be gone, and are happy to see them, but still realize they ARE no longer here!
Now Edgar Cayce says, when we dream of the dead, it is REALLY them.
I use to have what I called as a young woman my Mr.Rosenberg dreams. as he would show up in my dreams to give me messages about my life.(but i knew he was dead)........
 
This sounds to me like Joe is playing such a role for you.
 
You see, just as we here in this life, "think" we see others and are part of them, (here), just because they pass over, doesn't mean their energy is  not "with us"........when we need them to be they are again, "with us." but in a different way, via the astral realms
 
So, I'd think that Joe plays a role then, as did the Queen Mum, in your psyche, just as they did in waking /conscious life, so again in the dream state or the astral realms to help your own subconscious mind with the symbols they themselves represented for you in waking life.
 
GREAT SYMBOLS all around in your dreams....
 
btw, I heard and saw on TV that London and the surrounding areas? are getting the worse rain in centuries??
 
I hope you are all okay & not under water!
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameFlashgordGemSent: 7/25/2007 4:46 PM
hi deb
yea thats right,certain parts of the uk have experienced flooding.luckily we havnt, there has been some very heavy constant rainfall, the other day it was pretty relentless and the garden was a little waterlogged but nothing serious.
 
i think youve got this one deb,thinking back i had been thinking about my individuality and about my north node/south node axis before sleeping that night,this has happened often,if i think or read about something before sleeping it is often being relfected in my dream.
 
we have that same phrase over here ,alot of times i try to fit in with people by trying to adapt my tastes and interests.as ive found it difficult to fit into a group,often kind of felt out of place within groups of people.its weird cos the part in the dream where i closed my eyes because they all did was because i didnt want to be seen as being disrespectfull.i thought they all had their eyes closed out of respect (abit like how we take a bow) and it was a ritual gesture.maybe the dream is telling me im guilt tripping myself?
 
i dont remember if i was conscious of the fact joe was dead in the dream.sometimes in my dreams i know something is out of place and isnt real so i can distinquish that it is a dream im having,but i just go along with it,i have heard that once people are conscious that they are actualy inside a dream they can actualy control the experience. the process is called lucid dreaming,but ive never attempted it,