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DREAMS : a swimming-pool dream
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From: MSN NicknameLunalueblue  (Original Message)Sent: 10/1/2007 9:56 AM
Hi Deb and everyone else,
 
I am sorry I haven't been here for a long time. Thanks for not throwing me out .
I think I am ready to come back again.
 
I would like to ask you what do you think about my dream from last night. Just a short part of it that feels important.
 
I went to the swimming pool, wanted to jump in the water, but noticed, that all the people were getting out of the water. And there was a girl lying on the bottom of the pool presumably trying to hold her breath for as long as she could. She did it unnaturally long - something like David Blane, drawing on power of her mind or faith. People were getting out because they thought she must be dead by now.
Next I saw some paramedics had her out of the water, checking her over. She wasn't dead but was in a very serious state...
 
To explain just a little - I ve just been trying to split up with my husband in the past week but got back together last night...
 
Thanks
Luna


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 10/2/2007 12:32 AM
Well, it helps a great deal to know what the personal life of the dreamer has been doing, or going through to then properly, know the symbols, are pointing to and in the correct direction.
 
You also can check the Dream boards on Zodiac Chat too, for input.
 
Always, type up your dreams, that way we can keep a "log", which then follows the symbols too. (that helps)
 
In this case, just this little bit, is helpful to know, that the SERIOUSNESS of the marriage issues, the potential "breakup", is Like a "Death" then.
To the girl, (you), in the bottom of the pool, or to a young girl, (daughter?) you've been worrrying about as well, (either could be the issues here, coming out as a fear, and worry, hence, the dream symbols..........
 
I think this may qualify however, as a "message dream", because it appears to be saying, "she (whether you or a daughter) is in a very serious state. However, "not dead"..........and where there is life, there is hope. The marriage apparently, has "life", i.e. "hope".
 
People "getting out of the water" when you were jumping in, may symbolize wanting to immerse yourself finally, "into the emotions" that a pool of water could symbolize,
 
Perhaps  you've seen others do this, and you yourself, have "held back" immersing in such messy things, (like overwrought emotions??).......as the girl, on the bottom, she too, "drew on the power of her mind"....to get her through it all,
 
Thus, it sounds like this dream, is a gift to you, as a message that you are very close to being healed.
 
The more dreams the better however, to fit the symbols as ongoing ones which weave into a pattern or picture of a larger whole.
(glad you're back & alive)

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From: MSN NicknameFlashgordGemSent: 10/2/2007 3:49 PM
hi there lunablue.
 
i think debs right and the dream is definatly related to whats going on in your life.
 
i have also had dreams on water and there is a connection to the emotions when we dream of water. most of mine have featured oceans and sea's, they also co-inside with heavy emotional periods in my life as alot of them have water that is rough and choppy.i interpretted these as my emotions becoming quite raw,wild,out of control over a particular subject. although yours is very different,how was the state of the water? you say a swimming pool although dreams can be non-sensical and we can dream of storms brewing in bathtubs ,(so to speak)
 
its also worth thinking about the people and how you relate to these peoples characters ,it may sound odd but say for example if i dreamt of a certain type of movie star when im analysing the dream i would try and think about him/her and what sort of charachter they have but more importantly, how i view their charachter, do i see them as a villian, hero, martyr, poet, suducer/suductress ect.
 
this may sound detached in relation to your dream but the same tecnique can be applied with people you know or people within our everyday lives. 

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From: MSN NicknameLunalueblueSent: 10/3/2007 10:58 PM
Hi Deb and Flashgord, thanks for your replies
 
I agree, Deb, when you say, that the girl in the bottom of the pool could be me surviving a heavy emotional time. That was my first impression. I never thought it could be my daughter, because I wasn't worried about her that much. Thinking about it now, what if it is? And I just did not realise I was concerned about her in the midst of what was happening? Later, I even thought it could have been my husband, could that be?
 
I wanted to ask: the girl is trying to survive without the air. What does the air symbolise, then? We all agree that water = emotions...
 
I did not mention, that I did not really worry about the girl in my dream,  thought she was foolish to do what she did and not of my concern...as I woke from the dream, I was embarassed by this insensivity of mine...
 
do you find these first moments after a dream most important? I always felt they hold the key - the emotion or thought I had when "in between both worlds"
 
Flashgord - thanks for suggestion about peoples characters. I did not really notice anyone but the girl. She was peaceful, determined, but somehow sad, deeply upset. You wouldn't do such thing if you were happy in your reality...I felt she was very strong
 
thanks again
Luna

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 10/4/2007 2:19 AM
I think the girl at the bottom of the pool, was "you".,as most of our dreams are centered around ourselves, playing different roles....
 
Ref: I wanted to ask: the girl is trying to survive without the air. What does the air symbolise, then? We all agree that water = emotions...
 
Like Astrology, Air would then symbolize, the "lighter" or perhaps, Air-like quality of intellligence, (more objective)......vs the watery realms.
 
Yes, I think Air - is either this, (Intelligence &  linear type of thinking) oR, in  dream symbology, could be a pun for "needing air", like needing to breathe (here in this country means, "SPACE" , as in "needing my own space" to breathe.
 
a Uranus type of thing......needing a psychological space .

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From: MSN NicknameFlashgordGemSent: 10/4/2007 7:43 PM
 
going from what deb said its also worth mentioning that the fact she was trying to survive without air could be that she was deliberatly or non deliberatly trying not to let the emotions into her,in other words self containment. there are these powerfull and more importantly all consuming emotions around her ,and she is putting herself somewhere where they can overcome her (bottom of the pool) but she is holding out from letting them take her over.
 
i wanted to further add that it could be possible that in a dream that all the people can be representations of you! and different sides of your personality. those people for instance getting out of the pool could represent a thought you had maybe prior to other thoughts.
for example if we were to suggest the girl at the bottom of the pool was yourself then perhaps those people getting away from the pool were representations of a fleetering thought that you actually wanted to detach yourself from diving into your emotions.
 
i notice that you were annoyed with her,maybe then you are annoyed with something you did? or the situation that you are in right now? self examination really helps with dreams,i know it can be difficult ,but can you remember what you were thinking about before you had the dream ,more specifically just before you fell asleep? i always try to trace back to the point of what my thoughts were before i finally fell into a slumber, but then again i often have difficulty getting to sleep. i always consider if its myself personally first in the dreams and how it relates to me, if i cant see any parallels between me and what i have going on in my waking life and the dream then i consider that the dream could be centred around someone else and i try and see who else has been on my mind recently.
 
btw you are definatly right about the first moments after you wake and about what you feel .always go by those feelings that you have

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 10/4/2007 8:40 PM
Hey- I LIKE this one...........it's a Great Help Interpretation!!
 
its also worth mentioning that the fact she was trying to survive without air could be that she was deliberatly or non deliberatly trying not to let the emotions into her,in other words self containment. there are these powerfull and more importantly all consuming emotions around her ,and she is putting herself somewhere where they can overcome her (bottom of the pool) but she is holding out from letting them take her over.

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From: MSN NicknameLunalueblueSent: 10/4/2007 10:50 PM
Hi Deb and Gem
 
first of all I want to say I am so grateful to have your opinions on this...you both seem pretty good at it. I should come to this board more often . I don't know many people around me that would be willing or consider discussing a dream!
 
Your comments make a lot of sense. It feels right that the air should mean having some space, thats is precisely what I have desired for a long time.
 
The idea of immunity from emotions, self containment sounds very true (my capricorn moon) and the fact that I wonder if it is the cause of my problems.
 
What was I thinking before going to sleep? It was the evening of getting back together with my husband after "the big break up". I was relieved, promising myself that I would always try to see his love for me and believe, that I love him back. It might sound very stupid, but I am so out of touch with my feelings that I don't really know what I really feel and what I am just trying to or imagining...
How I see it - I was surrounded by his intense emotions, but I needed some space to find out what I actually felt myself...if you have any more insight I'd love to hear it
 
Thanks again
Luna

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 10/4/2007 11:18 PM
Hi Luna: Paul (Flashgord) and I have been studying dreams and dream symbology for   many years now, going back to another site where we once met.
 
It's just a matter of both interest in dreams, and then many of them to work on, symbols & puns, before, you too can learn how to decipher them.
 
Some people are just "inately" good at the symbolism, and I thought Paul did a great job (prior post).....
 
But the true test of course, as to accuracy of knowing what the symbols represented always lies with the dreamer, (the true test)
and in this case, it appears that you do agree mostly with his explanation, as well as Air, i.e. "objectivity", the stark contrast of water (emotions) and air (thoughts)......
 
I"m sure that Paul (Flashgord) will add more of his own thoughts here.
 

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From: MSN NicknameFlashgordGemSent: 10/5/2007 7:11 PM
hey guys,
 
keeping a journal over a long period of time really helped me aswell and discussing the more prominent ones with deb,you might find its helpfull to look to our dream threads to see how we got through determining what the key was. its great to get another persons take on them and once you can look at them from another viewpoint it becomes easier to see the inner messages.essentially alot of what day to day dreams are ,are a reflection of the thoughts that people were experiencing prior to falling asleep,
 
your thoughts about what you were thinking are interesting and how this ties into your dream.
it sounds like the dream is echoing a feeling of being uncertain about the situation emotionally ,as you say you dont consciously know what you really feel. the girl is quite far under water so it looks to me like your perception of the situation or the situation itself is quite consuming, its seems your first reaction to it (your conscious reaction) is thats its too consuming? although your other reaction which i talked a little about above shows that you thought she was foolish.
 
here its important to determine what you thought she was foolish for? as it could actually be contrary to what your conscious reaction is, i say this because you have mentioned that you get unsure with how you really feel.
im thinking that perhaps the most important part is understanding this part .where essentially its a case of you reacting to what you are doing and could maybe help you see the real meaning of the dream here?
i feel your thoughts on her behaviour within the dream is your higher self trying to tell you something.
does any of this make sense?
 
paul .
 

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From: MSN NicknameLunalueblueSent: 10/6/2007 12:45 AM
Hi Deb, Paul, thanks again
 
keeping a journal over a long period of time really helped me aswell and discussing the more prominent ones with deb,you might find its helpfull to look to our dream threads to see how we got through determining what the key was. Do you remember your dreams often? I only remember them sometimes and only analyse ones that feel important. I don't think I have enough dreams for a journal...but I will try, thanks for a suggestion
 its great to get another persons take on them and once you can look at them from another viewpoint it becomes easier to see the inner messages.essentially alot of what day to day dreams are ,are a reflection of the thoughts that people were experiencing prior to falling asleep,
 
your thoughts about what you were thinking are interesting and how this ties into your dream.
it sounds like the dream is echoing a feeling of being uncertain about the situation emotionally ,as you say you dont consciously know what you really feel. the girl is quite far under water so it looks to me like your perception of the situation or the situation itself is quite consuming, its seems your first reaction to it (your conscious reaction) is thats its too consuming? you can say that twice  although your other reaction which i talked a little about above shows that you thought she was foolish.
 
here its important to determine what you thought she was foolish for? do you mean in the dream? I thought she was wasting her time and risking her life on something impossible, unpleasant and very dangerous. Surely there are better things to do with your life? as it could actually be contrary to what your conscious reaction is, i say this because you have mentioned that you get unsure with how you really feel.
im thinking that perhaps the most important part is understanding this part .where essentially its a case of you reacting to what you are doing and could maybe help you see the real meaning of the dream here? That my self is telling me that I was being foolish? I should just accept that I am only human and can not survive without...what??? that bit still eludes me...
i feel your thoughts on her behaviour within the dream is your higher self trying to tell you something.
does any of this make sense? makes a lot of sense, pleasure to talk to you  Luna
 
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameLunalueblueSent: 10/6/2007 12:48 AM
one more thing I wanted to ask: do you find that your subconsious is trying to lighten up the subject, make you laugh?
 
I had a dream in which my friend was having "a brain and heart transplant" I came to see her in the hospital, she had her old organs removed, but still waiting for new ones to be put in. I was asking her how it felt to be without a heart. Then she showed me her new heart on the shelf - it was in a flat-pack - like from IKEA!!!

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From: MSN NicknameFlashgordGemSent: 10/6/2007 1:24 PM
Do you remember your dreams often? I only remember them sometimes and only analyse ones that feel important. I don't think I have enough dreams for a journal...but I will try, thanks for a suggestion
 
i would say quite often,i usually remember about 1 or two a week,this is during a good memory cycle. occasionally (about once a month or so) i get very detailed ones and i often look to these ones to interpret to try and test myself! other times i get abit out of shape lol when i havnt been training my mind as much to remember them.one way to get into this routine is to constantly remind yourself that you need to make a note of your dream.another way is keeping a pen and paper next to your bed or a laptop so you can jot it down quick,you might find you remember more when thinking about the dream straight after you first wake.i think when im going through a period of crisis in my waking life i try and analyse as many as possible as alot of the dreams will echo my waking life situations.
 
do you mean in the dream? I thought she was wasting her time and risking her life on something impossible, unpleasant and very dangerous. Surely there are better things to do with your life?
 
so more specifically, you perhaps felt that she was foolish to be in the pool under the water in the first place?
the other thing i was thinking was maybe you thought she was foolish because she was holding out from letting the water in,that might sound crazy,but like i say earlier about how dreams are non-sensical and we can dream of breathing underwater akin to say ....the film bedknobs and broomsticks!
 
That my self is telling me that I was being foolish? I should just accept that I am only human and can not survive without...what??? that bit still eludes me...
 
more along the lines of that you thought maybe an action you had taken was foolish,to put yourself in the situation? the girl wasnt really struggling to get to the surface it seems as if she put herself there ,almost chained herself to the bottom of the pool,you referenced david blaine and it being similar,so seen as an endurance feat.
 
maybe this is not so much a message from your higher self then? maybe this is purely a reflection of thoughts and internal questioning you may have been having recently? i get this quite often,as do alot of people,a confusion over things ,i will say to myself"should i have done that?" ,or "maybe not?" after ive done something.maybe its something to do with our minds rationalizing something we did that perhaps we wouldnt normally do?
 
hope this has been of some help.
paul.

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From: MSN NicknameFlashgordGemSent: 10/6/2007 1:27 PM
oh yea ,comical crazy dreams ,i get those sometimes ,dreams can be hilariously funny at times and it can be slightly embarrassing telling people the nature of them lol

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From: MSN NicknameLunalueblueSent: 10/9/2007 9:41 PM
Hi Gem,
 
thanks for your message, sorry to reply only now...
 
I appreciate your thoughts on my dream. You got it right, I was wondering if I am trying too hard...the dream is simply telling me, that I was questioing this foolish attitude of mine. Food for thought and perhaps will reveal more and more as I go along. Thanks
 
I've actually started my dream journal  turns out I have remembered a dream almost every morning. Just sometimes it is something trivial, that I don't pay much attention to. Only the dreams that feel important and I can't shake them off during the day were the ones I used to analyse. But I enjoy writing them down, looking forward to see if there is any pattern of anything. ~Would love to understand dreams better. Not just what they mean but how they work and how I can utilitise them.
 
I meant to check your threads to see what you've been up to in your dreams but I couldn't bring myself to open them because of the subject  . Sounds scary. Following night I had a dream in which I was in somebody's house and to cut it short, asked the owner, if she liked her new house. She replied, that she doesn't because her bedroom sighs!  Woke up thinking I would never step into such a room on my own...I am a bit of a scaredy cat ...does your room sigh???
 
Enough bragging on...
 
All the best and happy dreaming   
Luna
 
 
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameFlashgordGemSent: 10/11/2007 5:12 PM
thanks luna,
 
yea once you get into a routine you find its alot more easy to remember the dream you had.i find often when im actually writing it down and thinking over what im writing further more intricate details appear and become easier to remember, like for instance the distance i was from something when an event occured or the colour of the object that i was looking at.
 
ive not experienced a room which sigh's. but I have experienced all manner of crazy things in houses and rooms including people living in a hole in the kitchin ceiling, creatures descending the stairs,back gardens which have unnatural geometry,to name but a few.
 
funny thing actually is that i never or rarely get sound in my dreams,my dreams are pictorial and detailed but hardly ever have any sound in them!?

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