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DREAMS : older Dreams of my Mother
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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoon  (Original Message)Sent: 4/14/2008 7:30 PM
After my mother passed on; we all heard from her, in our dream state.
For me, it was later then Ralph who loved her as a good friend, perhaps because they were together in past lifetimes I think.
Anyway, he was the first to dream of her, only one or two days after she died.
 
She appeared to him, in the dream, as younger and healthy, smiling and looking really good.(he says)......but of course, she had died, when she was very sick, and older looking.
 
But in this dream , she was younger and  healthy, radiant and vibrant.
Sitting at an outdoor type of bistro cafe , by herself, and smiling at him.
He walked up to her, so happy but yet surprised to see her, because he knew she was dead.
So, he took her arm, and turned it around, feeling the flesh of the arm to the touch..
he wanted to prove to himself, it was really her.
 
As he turned the arm over, he saw that she had a "tan" mark.,and he knew it was her afterall.
She had a perpetual Tan - as she was an American Indian, (her father a full blood Huron/Amalecite Indian from Canada.
 
We are all dark complexioned, but Mom was always darker.
 
it was a really nice dream, and comforted all of us for days.


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/14/2008 7:56 PM
After the voice - screaming my name, I was more opened to hearing from her, and not so much crying every night into my pillow.
 
The dreams then came in rapid succession....
 
1) I saw my mom, from behind.  I walked up to her, as she was bent over in an old refrigerator, trying to adjust the shelves in it.
 
The food, (jars, etc.) on the shelf, fell, from the brackets/standards that are suppose to hold the shelves,and everything fell to the floor.
 
I said to her, "Look what you did mom".........and she said back to me, "It wasn't my fault, I just didn't have what it takes"
 
end of dream.
 
 
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This dream was quite unusual, IMO, because consciously, I never blamed my mother for her personality, her ways, her way of living.
I adored her on many levels.  And always tried to protect her.
My younger sister held her accountable however, for her lack of protecting us when we were young, and working to support her family and buy us food.
She (my sister) felt she should  have divorced my father, and perhaps, we'd not have been abused.
 
Anyway, I never held my mother responsible at all....For I knew she did the best she could with what she had to work with.
 
So this dream, rather confused me, as I was essentially saying to her "Look what you did"......
 
But she was letting me know, it was not on purpose.
 
The food and the refrigerator were puns or symbols of "nourishment".
 
Crashing down, was saying that my sister and I weren't nourished as we could have been.
 
I think I saw my own mother's own self-analysis, in this dream, or the recounting of the life, as we do when we die.
 
It was a very emotionally, moving dream for me, which I still recall vividly.
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/14/2008 8:01 PM
Another dream of mom, involved us together walking over an old bridge in Maryland, to where she worked downtown, as she often would walk to work in the old days.
 
I knew that this dream said, she'd be there, when I "crossed over" and I was okay with this too.
 
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This dream was rather cute.
 
It was strange,  but it also was a Message Dream.
 
In it, Mom's face was turning into a "like a lava light from the old days".......
 
 
My grandmother had one in her home, it was very "avante garde" back then to have.
A very strange type of light, shifting shapes, morphing into one design then another....hypnotic to watch.
 
In this dream Mom's face was like that, "shifting, morphing, from one to another"
 
She then said to me "Tell Ralph and the others, they can be anything they wish to be "
 
she was telling me, to tell my husband, (he was wondering I suppose he told me), about life after death.
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/14/2008 8:08 PM
Probably the most distressing but yet moving (emotionally) dream I ha of my mother was in 2004, when we heard Jessica was both getting married, and having Twins., She married in 2003. (the twins were born in March 2004)
 
In this dream,  I recemember, it happened, just after we got back from Egypt, which was March = April of 2004 around Eastertime.
We went to Egypt, to escape the pain of not being allowed to see our new grandchildren.
 
In this dream my mother called on the telephone, and I picked it up.
 
The voice was very "far away", and I knew she was really far away, (like in Egypt)....
Knowing how far Egypt is from  the U.S., this was the symbol for me, that she was "Far away".
 
I gave the phone to Ralph, and he and she laughed and had a nice talk.
Then, she wanted to know, "what to bring the kids".,when she returned , meaning Becky's kids, the grandchildren.
This was "typical mom", always thinking of others first.
 
Then, I took the telephone back, to try and arrange a flight to us, trying to get her back home.
But instead, she started to cry,and it broke my heart to hear these great sobbing tears and voice.
 
She was saying to me, in between sobs, "I FEEL so bad for the Family".
 
 

I was heartbroken in this dream of my mother, but I KNEW,she was telling us how she knew what was going on. This was one of the last remembered communcations from her.
 
If there are more, I can't recall right now, but I'll post them if I do.
But I knew this dream was very purposeful, and meant for all of
us to know how she was still (in heart) part of us.
 
 
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameFlashgordGemSent: 4/14/2008 9:49 PM
wow ,I have only had a few dreams about those that have past away.but then saying that most of the people who I am close to emotionally are still alive.My grandparents were very detached from our family,they were quite cold and distant, this was because I later learned that they weren't my real grandparents. but still I didn't know back then why they acted so 'funny' with me and my sister.
the only grandparent I got on with well and who I felt was more caring was my father's father, unfortunately we were never taken to go and see him much and I never really knew him that well before he died.

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/15/2008 12:04 AM
Hi Paul:  there has to be a real connection emotionally I think although there may be exceptions, (later I'll come back to the exceptions)
 
But I "thought" I was very close to my grandfather, who was a full blood Indian man, a Virgo when he was alive. I was only just turning 20 in January when he died in 1966 December.
 
I loved him but was so young I suppose my concern was for my grandmother, (Scorpio Sun) who was a strong woman, but as my mother's mom, I was very close to her, and lived with her for awhile after my grandfather passed away.
I don't really "recall" ever dreaming about my grandfather, but then again, back then maybe I did but don't recall itI often wish I had taken the time then, to study my dreams but didn't.,so maybe I missed out.
 
When my grandmother (this same woman) died........I had a premonition in the dream state about it first.
 
She was born in 1900 (November 14th) in Canada.
French Canadian.,who married this Indian man from near the St. Lawrence River Reservation.
 
They only spoke French back then. When they married, they eventually came to America, Maine to live with her relatives there during the Great Depression. My mom was born on a New York Indian Reservation too. Very very poor, but very proud people.
 
My mom always lived very close or with her parents, as the oldest daughter, she helped take care of them in every way.
 
In 1996, my mother came with us across the country to live in Arizona.,leaving her mother behind in a retirement home. Little did we know my mom would be dead the end of 1997.
 
But back then, it was hard to leave Grandmother, but she had her other 2 daughters near her to take over the task of caring and watching out for her.
 
She was 96 years old then.
 
After my mom died, (her oldest daughter)......when she (my grandmother was 97), I had a dream about her (my grandmother)
 
In this dream she and I were walking, with my arm guiding her and protective around her shoulders.
We were walking around her old city block where she once lived and had a candy store, where I lived with them.
 
In this dream, as we walked "around the city block", I KNEW she didn't know who I was, but I was letting her know, it was okay.
 
When I woke up, I KNEW, that she'd lost contact with her past.
 
It was about a few months later we were told, she had severe Alzheimers and didn't remember anyone anymore.
 
I always believed that dream of grandmom and me, was our saying goodbye (in the spiritual or astral realm.)
 
I dreamt of her only one or twice more after she died.
 
Can't recall them now.
 
But I always remembered this one, because I knew that we DO touch base (so to speak) in the astral realms during our sleep and in the other dimensions.
 
We essentially said our goodbyes then.
 
I'll post her photo next........the last time I ever saw her before I moved.
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/15/2008 12:07 AM
 
This is my mom visiting her little sister at a convent with her father.
So, this is my mother (when younger then I am now.....with her dad, just before he died, a few months later of Throat cancer) Esophogus cancer.     This photo then was the summer of 1966 
 
My mom would have been 44 then.
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/15/2008 12:10 AM
 
this was their Candy Store, where we lived at one time with my grandparents.
Their youngest daughter, an Aries named Rita, is on the left, I'm on the far right and my younger sister Connie, is in the middle. 1950s
 
 
My Grandmother the last time, (except for the dream) I saw her
in winter of 1996 when we moved.

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/15/2008 12:17 AM
Grandmother didn't physically leave her body, or die until 2003 at the age of 103, but we had said our goodbyes, in my dream in 1997.
I'm glad she didn't remember anymore, after that time, because she and my mother were so close and grandmother lost her in death in November of 1997, and her other daughter Rose, (my aunt Rose, another Scorpio), much earlier...Rose died of alcohol poisoning.
Her liver.
 
Here is Grandmother when she lived with Rose,just before Rose got very sick herself.
 
My daughter Becky is the one with the scarf on, to her left; with the red scarf, Jen to the right of her in pink, and Jessica, very young here, next to my mother, with the white sweatshirt.
Aunt Rose, to the far left.
She died before my grandmother and before my own mother died, probably in 1995 . I never  heard from Rose from what I recall, but thought we had once been close.
I didn't understand, WHY I didn't hear from her as she was always interested with me, in psychic phenomenon , and of all people, she seemed to really get into it.,but never heard from her.(that I recall)
 
the 3 little kids are my sister Connie's 3.
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/15/2008 12:24 AM
I had maybe only 2 dreams of any import about my father.
 
He died in 1995. 
 
In the first dream I had, I was in my grandmother's kitchen, (in back of the candy store house); where we often congregated when I was young.
 
I saw my mother talking to my father, so I called her over to me, and whispered to her, "Ask him, how he fared on the sale of the property or house"....
 
Now this is wierd, because he never owned anything, ........but I'll explain later.
 
I explained to mom, "that IF he made anything on the sale, he would have to pay tax on the gain"
 
She went to  him and asked, and came back to me to report,
 
"He said, it was a wash.....meaning, no gain but no loss, just a wash as we call it in America"
 
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This dream was tellling me that from my father's perspective, during his past life review, he apparenly told me via my mother, that what I had been wondering about him.
I would have thought he'd "lost" in life, as his life had been one of great selfishness.
But this dream was telling me that "it was a wash"...........meaning, just as much good as bad.....no gain, but no retardation much either.
 
Strange.

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/15/2008 12:28 AM
The next "message dream" I had about my father, and I didn't exactly relish having any dreams about him.....
 
He was in a very small house, in a kitchen area, near the stove....
He said to me, "Where have you been? I've been trying to reach you!"
 
I saw on the stove burner he had left on the kettle and it was all empty, no water anymore, so I yelled at him, "Look what you did, you almost burned the house down"!!!
 
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Interpretation:
 
When I told my sister about this dream, she said, "appropriate dream, he DID burn the house......" meaning she understood the ramnifications of the symbology.
 
He almost killed us all, (my sister & me), by his child abuse when we were younger. He literally, burned us by his actions...
 
I wasn't angry at my father when he died, I had made peace with my past long ago.
So I was still a bit surprised at my reaction in the dream, to tell him, "Look - you almost burned down the house".....
 
I suppose I visited him, on the astral realm perhaps in a kind of
"purgatory" place?  Where we go to make amends......and contemplate our life we left.

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/15/2008 12:29 AM
I did see "the house " meaning as his own soul.
 
The consciousness, I was calling this to his mind.,by suggesting this to him.
 
He apparently was telling me, he'd been trying to reach me, so I guess it's possible that we tune out some, of the dead and that's why they don't "reach us?"......sometimes.
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameFlashgordGemSent: 4/15/2008 2:38 AM
nice pictures Deb :)

must have been nice growing up with access to a candy store!
Sounds like your family has a very interesting background ,I have often wondered about my mothers side of my family and my bloodlines in Europe.Although my mother has never wanted to research her family history.My father's father side has been traced back though and can be seen to date back a good few hundred years.

talking of photos,
I found a site the other day that might interest you and Ralph:
http://www.lomography.com/homesDeLuxe/

Its a photography site setup for people who own these type of Russian cameras, the pictures give a very artist feel to them and I think they are very nice.

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From: MSN Nicknamethose_arent_pillowsSent: 4/16/2008 12:01 AM
Aww Deb, I didn't even know her but I think I've got a girlcrush on your mom. She was literally bigger than life as she's still watches over you all! Sorry to admit this but I laughed out loud at your mom chastising Becky dream! That is so something I would do, which is why I laughed. But it's like torn between laughter and tears though... these are very poignant dream....your mom ROCKED! The loss is understandably devastating.

I agree it was the grief that was keeping your mother from you. Or maybe she was worried you weren't ready yet... you know. The loss was still too raw and it might've been overwhelming even though you probably craved it. The reason I agree it was the grief is when I was still trying to to he whole astral projection thing, there was a kind woman who was a very gifted lucid dreamer. Anyway, her husband died suddenly. But he didn't visit her in her dreams for like over a year. She was angry when she first saw him and asked why it took so long, he told her that her PAIN was crowding him out, and that he had been trying all along.


I know it sounds strange, but I wouldn't want my loved ones to visit me like that. It would scare me. I rather they'd do something like send butterflies or rose petals my way! Something I can see and feel in my waking life. But it's prolly easier to communicate in dreams... your mind is more receptive I bet.

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/16/2008 1:13 AM
Here is the way I recorded the dream in my diary (less errors)in it then above:
 

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Deb’s Dream of her dead Mother………I believe she came to me and tried to reach out to us in our sorrow over Jessica & the children (not seeing them)……………………………�?.(mom died Nov. 1998)<o:p></o:p>

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July 11, 2004<o:p></o:p>

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1)    My mom was far far away (like in Cairo Egypt) a pun.,or a world away was the feeling…�?<o:p></o:p>

2)    I went out to see if the train that Ralph & I were to catch was there, but it was not there.<o:p></o:p>

3)    Ralph called mom in Cairo, with no problem getting through to her, (just like a local call)…�?(pun is it’s not a problem to reach her)<o:p></o:p>

4)    They (Ralph & she), laughed and had a great time on the phone conversing,�?.(just like in real life)she told him she was having a great time meeting & seeing new things, different things.<o:p></o:p>

5)    They joked & laughed, then I gave the phone to Becky because mom was asking about shopping and what to buy the kids.<o:p></o:p>

6)    I was worried about her being alone and the need to arrange a “return trip�?but still not wanting her to be alone on a trip.  She started to get very upset on the phone, crying about “Family”�?lt;o:p></o:p>

7)    I thought she cried “Rose”…�?? She clearly was upset about family or as Ralph said, “she probably feels our pain�?<o:p></o:p>

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Interpretation: Mom communicated with me last night in the dream state, that she clearly feels our pain & hurt………�?/SPAN><o:p></o:p>


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/16/2008 1:21 AM
Hey Nickey:   Deb, I didn't even know her but I think I've got a girlcrush on your mom. She was literally bigger than life as she's still watches over you all! Sorry to admit this but I laughed out loud at your mom chastising Becky dream! That is so something I would do, which is why I laughed.
 
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Her mother, (photo I posted above with me visiting her).,was a very funny, Scorpio woman who  use to say about her oldest daughter, "She's just a big kid" which is the best way to describe her.
 
But, when you think about it, what better way, to "catch someone's attention" in the dream state, along with many other dead folks there,
Mom stood out and purposefully gave Becky the finger, so she would RECALL from the shock of it, when she awoke in the morning, which Becky sure did!!!
 
She (becky)  needed to tell me, in hopes I'd clue her in.......But she KNOWS,she did wrong,(on the higher level), I doubt she really understands her own motives on this level (meaning Becky's motives, I don't think she;s clear on them)even now.
Her motive obviously, was to be thought well of at the expense of her parents.,which my mother would have called her on.
 
 
She (Becky) has the NN in the 1st, house, (house of self) and the SN in the 7th (house of others)and is reflective of how she views life and her relationships are very important to her, to be "seen" as on everyone's side.
She plays the "odds" then., and the odds were in her favor to look good at that point in time.,even if we had to pay the ultimate price. I don't think her grandmother approved at all.

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