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EDGAR CAYCE : Existence according to Edgar Cayce
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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoon  (Original Message)Sent: 8/27/2008 4:59 AM

This psychic reading given by Edgar Cayce at his office, 322 Grafton Avenue, Dayton, Ohio, this 3rd day of November, 1924, in accordance with request made by [900] and others, who were present.

P R E S E N T

Edgar Cayce; Gertrude Cayce, Conductor; Gladys Davis, Steno. Hugh Lynn Cayce, Archie Adlman and [900].

R E A D I N G

Time of Reading 5:50 P. M. Dayton Time. New York City, New York.

1. GC: You will have before you questions relating to conditions in life, and an understanding of the future and past existences. You will answer these questions, as I ask them to you, in a definite, concise and understandable manner, illustrating what is meant in each. Such questions as should not be answered through these forces, you will say, "Not given from here."

2. EC: Yes, we have the conditions relating to life, past, present and future.

3. (Q) When a soul, by reason of wrong development, banishes itself from its Maker, does that mean that it may never return or find its Maker?
(A) Banished means separated, cast out, and in such conditions has lost its relation to the first [cause] and is only exemplified, manifested, shown, or has its being, in those relations in the developing, retarding, or existences, of other souls.

4. (Q) As created by God in the first, are souls perfect, and if so, why any need of development?
(A) In this we find only the answer in this: The evolution of life as may be understood by the finite mind. In the first cause, or principle, all is perfect. In the creation of soul, we find the portion may become a living soul and equal with the Creator. To reach that position, when separated, must pass through all stages of development, that it may be one with the Creator. As we have is this:

Man. In the beginning, we find the spirit existent in all living force. When such force becomes inanimate in finite forces [it is] called dead; not necessarily losing its usefulness, either to Creator, or created, in material world. In that of creation of man, we find all the elements in a living, moving, world, or an element in itself; yet without that experience as of a first cause, yet endowed with all the various modifications of elements or forces manifested in each. For first there is the spirit, then soul (man we are speaking of), then mind with its various modifications and with its various incentives, with its various ramifications, if you please, and the will the balance in the force that may make all or lose all.

In the developing, then, that the man may be one with the Father, necessary that the soul pass, with its companion the will, through all the various stages of development, until the will is lost in Him and he becomes one with the Father.

In the illustration of this, we find in the man as called Jesus. In this: This man, as man, makes the will the will of the Father, then becoming one with the Father and the model for man.

5. (Q) Does the soul choose the planet to which it goes after each incarnation? If not, what force does?
(A) In the Creation, we find all force relative one with the other, and in the earth's plane that of the flesh. In the developing from plane to plane becomes the ramification, or the condition of the will merited in its existence finding itself through eons of time.

In the illustration, or manifestation in this, we find again in the man called Jesus.

When the soul reached that development in which it reached earth's plane, it became in the flesh the model, as it had reached through the developments in those spheres, or planets, known in earth's plane, obtaining then One in All.

As in Mercury pertaining of Mind. In Mars of Madness. In Earth as of Flesh. In Venus as Love. In Jupiter as Strength. In Saturn as the beginning of earthly woes, that to which all insufficient matter is cast for the beginning. In that of Uranus as of the Psychic. In that of Neptune as of Mystic. In Septimus as of Consciousness. In Arcturus as of the developing.

As to various constellations, and of groups, only these ramifications of the various existences experienced in the various conditions.

6. (Q) What is meant by the Borderland as referred to in a reading?
(A) That condition that the living experience with the soul, the mental faculties, the desire, the consciousness of the various phases of each laid aside and the soul, with its companion, the sub-conscious, peeps into the interlay between the spirit and soul, or superconscious, or that existence as lies in that space where the impressions of the disincarnate spirits, with their soul, communicate with such earthly conditions as illustrated in this:

When the physical body lies in slumber, we find the organs that are subjugated, the life-giving flow and the subconscious forces acting, and the soul forces ready for that communication with intermingling conditions lying between.

Again, as in the present sphere, in this body lying here [EC], we find all life in suspension, only portions of the higher vibrations in accord with those vibrations that communicate with the Universal forces.

7. (Q) What is meant by destiny?
(A) In the Creation, we find each given condition has its condition and it attributes, with its law. The end of any law [is] destiny, which may be variegated, changed, by the various modifications, with the meeting of other laws, which does not change the destiny of a law or force. Just as is illustrated in a common condition: A stick placed in water appears bent. In fact it is straight.

8. (Q) Name the planets in order of the soul's development and give the principal influence of each.
(A) These have been given. Their influences, their developments may be changed from time to time, according to the individual's will forces, speaking from human viewpoint. This we find again illustrated in this:

In this man called Jesus we find at a One-ness with the Father, the Creator, passing through all the various stages of development. In mental perfect, in wrath perfect, in flesh made perfect, in love become perfect, in death become perfect, in psychic become perfect, in mystic become perfect, in consciousness become perfect, in the greater ruling forces becoming perfect, and is as the model, and through the compliance with such laws made perfect, destiny, the pre-destined, the fore-thought, the will, made perfect. The condition made perfect, and is an ensample for man, and only as a man, for He lived only as man. He died as man.

9. That is all for the present.


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 8/27/2008 5:03 AM
I don't think this reading given to Mort Blumenthal (900) is too easily understood.
 
First Mr Blumenthal was an intellectual and as such was trying even back then in 1924 and prior to Relativity being more understood, from Einstein's edict; was grasping even then to understand "time" as such, being non-existent, hence, "Perfection" of the soul........yet having to be developed at the same time.
 
So, even today we still grasp with the same concepts, that Mr. Blumenthal asked Mr. Cayce about back then almost 100 years ago.
 
He asked:
 
4)As created by God in the first(in the beginning)......are souls perfect? and IF SO, then why the need for development??
 
Mr. Blumenthal was beginning to grasp Cayce's trying to teach about time being  non-existant, or "all at once".....in the fundemental approach.
IF then, our SOUL is one with God (i.e.  perfect), WHY then are we suffering in reincarnational lives is what he wanted to know........
 
Let's explore Cayce's response to him next
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 8/27/2008 5:12 AM
4. (Q) As created by God in the first, are souls perfect, and if so, why any need of development?
(A) In this we find only the answer in this:
 
The evolution of life as may be understood by the finite mind. In the first cause, or principle, all is perfect. In the creation of soul, we find the portion may become a living soul and equal with the Creator. To reach that position, when separated, must pass through all stages of development, that it may be one with the Creator. As we have is this:

Man. In the beginning, we find the spirit existent in all living force. When such force becomes inanimate in finite forces [it is] called dead; not necessarily losing its usefulness, either to Creator, or created, in material world.
In that of creation of man, we find all the elements in a living, moving, world, or an element in itself; yet without that experience as of a first cause, yet endowed with all the various modifications of elements or forces manifested in each.
 
 For first there is the spirit, then soul (man we are speaking of), then mind with its various modifications and with its various incentives, with its various ramifications, if you please, and the will the balance in the force that may make all or lose all.

In the developing, then, that the man may be one with the Father, necessary that the soul pass, with its companion the will, through all the various stages of development, until the will is lost in Him and he becomes one with the Father.

In the illustration of this, we find in the man as called Jesus. In this: This man, as man, makes the will the will of the Father, then becoming one with the Father and the model for man.
 
 
 
 
(I highlighted purple, because purple is said to be the perfect color of the spiritual light)
I don't know that highlighting above will make it any simpler for you to understand what Edgar was saying, but he is saying that
while ALIVE in a physical body, essentially, you are "DEAD"
you are dead because you are here, and  not in the spiritual realm.
That "portion" of the soul which comes into materiality, has it's "essence" in the spirit and one with the Father.
 
But while  you are here, you are primarily "dead" to it...you don't "feel it, you don't move with it, you submerge it" hence dead to the spirit.
Re-read above to carefully see him saying this.
 
I put it in red highlight!
 
Mr. Cayce carefully also says to you, that as "dead" you don't lose your purpose in materiality, or usefulness to the soul (in the finite world)
But, in order to become "useful" to your soul, you must re-awaken to the spiritual the same way that your "mentor" Jesus did, as the "pattern" he became for you.
 
If we use astrology as a metaphor , for developing the spiriual in the deadened finite world, we can see  how Jesus progressed into a Perfect Human being:
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 8/27/2008 5:24 AM
Using Astrology as a metaphor for reincarnational episodes (i.e. lives):
 
In the illustration, or manifestation in this, we find again in the man called Jesus.

When the soul reached that development in which it reached earth's plane, it became in the flesh the model, as it had reached through the developments in those spheres, or planets, known in earth's plane, obtaining then One in All.

As in Mercury pertaining of Mind. In Mars of Madness. In Earth as of Flesh. In Venus as Love. In Jupiter as Strength. In Saturn as the beginning of earthly woes, that to which all insufficient matter is cast for the beginning. In that of Uranus as of the Psychic. In that of Neptune as of Mystic. In Septimus as of Consciousness. In Arcturus as of the developing.
 
Here are some of the lifetimes he lived to develop these astrological traits, metaphors, etc into a Perfected human being , eventually known to you as Jesus (the Christ):
 
(this breakdown is with help from the book by RyRedd "Towards a New Astrology", now out of print, but available I'm sure in used condition on the internet.....It's from the Cayce readings in Va.Beach:)
Also, help putting these lifetimes together from the book by Kirk Nelson "Edgar Cayce's Secrets of Astrology" page 121:
 
How the Christ became the Christ or the perfected human:
 
In Mercury - Enoch (Hermes) as the Mercurian-Uranian logos; psychic mind of the teacher prophet
 
In Neptune - as Melchizedek the mysteriously manifested mystic
 
in Jupiter - as Joseph who was in bondage then became the prince of Egypt - the strength of Israel
 
in Mars - as Joshua the wrath of the spiritual warrior
 
in Mercury - mind of the scribe known as Jeshua
(another of his lifetimes)
 
in Venus - as Jesus the love of the Christ he had for all of mankind
 
in Saturn - as Adam - banished to Saturn change thru separation & death of the body corporal
 
in Arcturus:  development through saving others as Amilius
(prior to Atlantis) the godling
 
in Pluto - consciousness transcends flesh
 
 
these are only a few of the lifetimes mentioned by Edgar Cayce....on the road to becoming of course, the greatest perfected human ever, Jesus.
The pattern by which all of us might  try to imitate to perfect our own souls.
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 8/27/2008 5:32 AM
Please realize that the idea of "slumber" or being "dead" in the finite, as mentioned by Mr. Cayce thru this reading, is not such a novel idea, as it's also mentioned, pretty much the same way, (perhaps different words), in the Gnostic Texts and Gospels, if you bother to read them, as I posted excepts from both Mary's Gospel, (which speaks of this) and Thomas and Judas all these gospels say the same thing.
 
As to the inter-between lives:(out of physical or finite world):
 
6. (Q) What is meant by the Borderland as referred to in a reading?

(A) That condition that the living experience with the soul, the mental faculties, the desire, the consciousness of the various phases of each laid aside and the soul, with its companion, the sub-conscious, peeps into the interlay between the spirit and soul, or superconscious, or that existence as lies in that space where the impressions of the disincarnate spirits, with their soul, communicate with such earthly conditions as illustrated in this:
 
When the physical body lies in slumber, we find the organs that are subjugated, the life-giving flow and the subconscious forces acting, and the soul forces ready for that communication with intermingling conditions lying between.

Again, as in the present sphere, in this body lying here [EC], we find all life in suspension, only portions of the higher vibrations in accord with those vibrations that communicate with the Universal forces
 
 
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He is saying that while awake, you are essentially deadened to your inner nature, (the soul), but while in slumber you are always aware of your nature.
The "key" or trick would be to try as Jesus did, to make the waking self- more "AWARE" and "AWAKE" to the nature of the soul, which is the fruits of the spirit.
 
1)longsuffering
2)Patience
3)love for all
4)forgiveness for all
.........................you know the drill, and in case you forget
here they are again:
 
Galatians 5:22-23  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
 
 
St. Paul tells us, that against such (as the fruits of the spiritual self), there is NO LAW.,meaning no more karma, once you perfect yourself.,as Jesus did.
 
by the way, there is NO shortcuts either!!
 
 

 

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