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OUR NATAL CHARTS : Deb and Joan of Arc?
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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoon  (Original Message)Sent: 2/23/2008 7:58 PM
Many many years ago I was told that I had one notable past lifetime, that would not be given to me, (information about it)., as it might "puff me up"........not unlike the same information that was withheld from Edgar Cayce, by his "higher self" in the trance state, when he was told, only just before he died, in older age, that he had indeed been one of the disciples of Christ, that one known as Lucius, the Bishop of Cyrene.
who actually helped his uncle, Luke to write the Gospel of Luke (no wonder Cayce was so enraptured with Jesus and loved him so much)........
 
His son Hugh Lynn was told earlier on, he had been Andrew, during these days when Jesus walked the earth.
 
Well, I had never been given the name when I asked of who this was in history?.......instead I was told snippets, such as a woman in ancient Egypt, who both was an Astrologer, and one who married, "above my station"....into a prominent household.
 
(it answered my longing for ancient Egypt,since I was a child)....emotionally attached to that ancient culture and land.
 
I was told I had been a black woman, who was a friend of the  great Aboliltionist, Frederick Douglas, who met with Abraham Lincoln the first black to meet LIncoln in the White House ,   and as such, I assisisted in the creation of the Underground Railroad, (for the runaway slaves).......
 
This lifetime too (made much sense to me) in that I was told that this explains my deeply entrenched anger towards any kind of putting someone down either politically or because of race.
My father was a racist type of person, and I use to argue with him as a child about his racist talk.
It also helped explain to me my inner longings since childhood, and how deeply emotional I would get every President's Day on February 12th, the birthdate of Abraham Lincoln.
The thought of President Lincoln would even today bring tears to my eyes. (even now)......and I understand why people, the blacks as well, called him, "Father Abe".
 
 
 
 
 


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 2/23/2008 8:20 PM
Here are a few of the lifetimes I was  given to know about:
 
1) Ancient Egypt......a wife of a wealthy person, who used her position of power, over others. ()..........for this I needed to be reborn, "dirt poor" and was, quite a few times actually including in this lifetime.
 
2)In ancient Palestine, ...during the time when the Master walked the earth and spoke......I heard him speak, but I was far too busy with taking care of a sick sister and sick father, to be able to travel to see him often.  For this, I have and always had a "longing"....that cannot be quenched.,both for the Land itself, and anything to do with Jesus.
 
3)In Ireland (cannot recall anything  here).....other then the Coast of Ireland. My  father in this lifetime, was Irish/Scotch descent and  use to sing me Irish Lullabies as a tyke.  I still recall them well.
 
 
4)During the Civil War - Helping to create the Underground Railroad, and a friend to Frederick Douglass.
 
The Underground Railroad was an informal network of secret routes and safe houses used by 19th century Black slaves in the United States to escape to free ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_Railroad -
 
 
 
5) After the Civil War incarnated as a young woman who lived in Tombstone ARizona, - and it was there that I knew my husband Ralph as we were very close there...perhaps married.
We traveled from Tombstone to other locations as well.
Here is a site my husband created mostly from  his Memories, as well as our traveling there together in this lifetime.
All the color photos are Ralphs own.
 
This is Ralph's Creation for Wikipedia, so that the Birdcage Theatre and Tombstone will live on, long after we are gone:
 
 
6) As a poor young girl, in West Virginia......(I was always longing as a child too, for West Va. and would travel there often, as often as I could before I married.....to the Civil War site there,
the 4 corners area as it is termed. I lived  near here.
(I see the population hasn't grown much since either)
 
 
Dying very young, (probably a good thing), as I was a 10cents a dance girl in a Dance hall.
 
 
These were a few of the more notables that I found much solace with, as it explained emotions that heretofor, were never explained to me about why I'd well up with tears, etc. over  these memories, (or emotions connected with these lives)
 
The next one, the Life as Joan of Arc, nearly floored me, (but not really), because, it also explains a lot to me now.
 
I wasn't given this lifetime until only more recently - a year or two ago.
 
It's probably a good thing.
 
I can't see much glory in dying in a burning fire anyway.and I'm grateful to a loving God that we do not have specific memories of these lifetimes....
 
I hope to have almost very few memories as well of this one....it's been too painful as well.
 
But after being told, that this was the more infamous lifetime the only one of historical note, that I can research about;
I became more interested in doing so.
 
I found many parrallels, in Joan's life as well a my own.
 
1) Our Natal Charts are "uncanny" in their samenesses.
 
2) My great grandmother was born in France,near Joan's birthplace, and my grandmother (born in 1900 died in 2002)
was French-Canadian.  I grew up in a French speaking household.
 
3) I was always "deathly" afraid of sex and intercourse, afraid to death that someone would "get me".
Now this may have had it's roots in this life as a sexually assaulted child, (no intercourse), BUT, it wouldn't explain it entirely as most young girls, even my sister, went the other direction......not afraid, but "encouraging and controlling it".
 
For me I was deathly afraid of sex.
 
Joan of course, wore mens clothes for the same reason.
Dressing down - she then tried to ward off men from attacking her, especially in prison.
 
3)  Bravery ?..........This one is the most similar.
 
I've always been extremely brave, even to the point of almost losing my life for my stupidity, more then one time as a young woman.
 
Leo Moon -Aries at the M/C (this lifetime)
 
4)  Religious? .........  I use to get mad at Ralph, when I was "ultra" married to religious context. He would joke with me, "Does the Pope wear a Beanie?".........and I would get angry with him for days over that joke.
 
It meant only, to say, "do you believe it?" well - "does the Pope wear a beanie? meaning, it's true!!!
 
I'll post my chart and Joan's chart next (hopefully side by side)
 
 
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 2/23/2008 8:30 PM
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 2/23/2008 8:38 PM
It does appear that Joan's Natal Saturn was conjunct, "Algol"? in 1412 or so?
 
This would explain the dire circumstance of the karma she took upon herself, to achieve., as Saturn depicts our karma.
 
When she died, the Sun was transiting over her Pluto in the 11th hs.
 
Her 11- 12th house had the Moon, 25Gemini (my present 11th house
Uranus is there in Gemini.)
 
Her Sun of course the same as mine now, - Capricorn.
Her Mercury was Sagittarius, (big mouth),that helped get her murdered.....I  have one too, (a big mouth), but Sagittarius is my Venus this time around.
 
Her Venus is in Capricorn (mine in Sag) same constellation
 
Her Mars in Virgo....mine is Capricorn in the 6th (Note her 6th house Stellium and my 6th house Stellium)
 
When she died, Transiting Mars was over her 4th house Chiron.
She missed  her parents I'm sure, just as I was very close to mine and took care of  my parents too
 
I thought it was very "poignant" that Saturn is Rx in this transit and over her D/C cusp, EXACT - to the degree!....in the house that is known as our "open enemies".
 
She knew those who killed her....and they were her known enemies.
 
I am very much anti-Religion myself, in this lifetime, preferring the designation of "Agnostic" to Catholicism.
 
I suppose Joan would be too
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 2/24/2008 2:12 AM
If anyone happens upon this thread who knows anything about Joan's personality beyond what I have written,  please add it.
 
Here is some background of what is  historically known:
 
 
 

Joan "hears voices" when only 12 years old but doesn't pay much attention to them until later when older.  Originally there were visions of 2 patron Saints including St. Catherine and St. Michael, the Archangel (and patron saint of the army of France)
But in 1428 the voices became far more dictatorial, telling her what she needed to do. She finally obeyed.
 
She called  herself "The Maid" or "The miaden of God" the "Virgin" explaining she had promised her saints she would keep her virginity "for as long as it pleases God".....and it is by this nickname that she is usually described in the documents
 
 
She came to see the lord Dauphin i.e. heir to the throne; saying that she was sent in the name of God to bring aid to the kingdom and to him!.............he apparently believed her, because she told him about a private prayer that he had made the previous November, in which he had asked God to aid him in his cause if he was the rightful  heir, and to punish himself alone rather then his people IF his sins were responsible for their suffering"
 
She (Joan) related this prayer back to him, and assured him that he ws the legitimate claimant to the throne.
After hearing her out, the King was  said, "To have appeared radiant"
 
(his prayer was heard)!!

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 6/3/2008 6:24 AM
from Voltaire:
 
 

From Voltaire's book The Philosophical Dictionary 1752

It is meet that the reader should be acquainted with the true history of Jeanne d'Arc surnamed "the Maid." The details of her adventure are very little known and may give readers pleasure; here they are.

Paul Jove says that the courage of the French was stimulated by this girl, and takes good care not to believe her inspired. Neither Robert, Gaguin, Paul Emile, Polydore Vergile, Genebrard, Philip of Bergamo, Papyre Masson, nor even Mariana, say that she was sent by God; and even though Mariana the Jesuit had said it, that would not deceive me.

Mezerai relates "that the prince of the celestial militia appeared to her." I am sorry for Mezerai, and I ask pardon of the prince of the celestial militia.

Most of our historians, who copy each other, suppose that the Maid uttered prophecies, and that her prophecies were accomplished.
She is made to say that " she will drive the English out of the kingdom," and they were still there five years after her death. She is said to have written a long letter to the King of England, and assuredly she could neither read nor write; such an educaticn was not given to an inn servant in the Barois; and the information laid against her states that she could not sign her name.

But, it is said, she found a rusted sword, the blade of which was engraved with five golden fleurs-de-lis; and this sword was hidden in the church of Sainte Catherine de Fierbois at Tours. There, certainly is a great miracle!

Poor Jeanne d'Arc having been captured by the English, despite her prophecies and her miracles, maintained first of all in her cross-examination that St. Catherine and St. Marguerite had honoured her with many revelations. I am astonished that she never said anything of her talks with the prince of the celestial militia. These two saints apparently liked talking better than St. Michael: Her judges thought her a sorceress, she thought herself inspired.

One great proof that Charles VII.'s captains made use of the marvellous in order to encourage the soldiers, in the deplorable state to which France was reduced, is that Saintrailles had his shepherd, as the Comte de Dunois had his shepherdess. The shepherd made prophecies on one side, while the shepherdess made them on the other.

But unfortunately the Comte de Dunois' prophetess was captured at the siege of Compiegne by a bastard of Vendome, and Saintrailles' prophet was captured by Talbot. The gallant Talbot was far from having the shepherd burned. This Talbot was one of those true Englishmen who scorn superstition, and who have not the fanaticism for punishing fanatics.

This, it seems to me, is what the historians should have observed, and what they have neglected.

The Maid was taken to Jean de Luxembourg, Comte deLigny. She was shut up in the fortress of Beaulieu, then in that of Beaurevoir, and from there in that of Crotoy in Picardy.

First of all Pierre Cauchon, Bishop of Beauvais, who was of the King of England's party against his own legitimate king, claims the Maid as a sorceress arrested on the limits of his diocese. He wishes to judge her as a sorceress. He supported the right he claimed by a down- right lie. Jeanne had been captured on the territory of the bishopric of Noyon: and neither the Bishop of Beauvais, nor the Bishop of Noyon assuredly had the right of condemning anybody, and still less of committing to death a subject of the Duke of Lorraine, and a warrior in the pay of the King of France.

 
 The vicar of the Inquisition, Martin, presided with Cauchon; and as lie was only a vicar, he had but second place.

Jeanne underwent fourteen examinations; they are singular. She said that she saw St. Catherine and St. Marguerite at Poitiers. Doctor Beaupere asks her how she recognized the saints. She answers that it was by their way of bowing. Beaupere asks her if they are great chatterboxes. "Go look on the register," she says. Beaupere asks her if, when she saw St. Michael, he was naked. She answers: " Do you think our Lord had nothing to clothe him with? "

The curious will carefully observe here that Jeanne had long been directed with other religious women of the populace by a rogue named Richard, who performed miracles, and who taught these girls to perform them. One day he gave communion three times in succession to Jeanne, in honour of the Trinity. It was then the custom in matters of importance and in times of great peril. The knights had three masses said, and communicated three times when they went to seek fortune or to fight in a duel. It is what has been observed on the part of the Chevalier Bayard.

The workers of miracles, Jeanne's companions, who were submissive to Richard, were named Pierrone and Catherine. Pierrone affirmed that she had seen that God appeared to her in human form as a friend to a friend. God was "clad in a long white robe, etc.''

Up to the present the ridiculous; here now is the horrible.

One of Jeanne's judges, doctor of theology and priest, by name Nicholas the Bird-Catcher, comes to confess her in prison. He abuses the sacrament to the point of hiding behind a piece of serge two priests who transcribed Jeanne d'Arc's confession. Thus did the judges use sacrilege in order to be murderers. And an unfortunate idiot, who had had enough courage to render very great services to the king and the country, was condemned to be burned by fortyfour French priests who immolated her for the English faction.

It is sufficiently well-known how someone had the cunning and meanness to put a man's suit beside her to tempt her to wear this suit again, and with what absurd barbarism this transgression was claimed as a pretext for condemning her to the flames, as if in a warrior girl it was a crime worthy of the fire, to put on breeches instead of a skirt.
All this wrings the heart, and makes common sense shudder. One cannot conceive how we dare, after the countless horrors of which we have been guilty, call any nation by the name of barbarian.


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