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PHILOSOPHY : Man's Inhumanity to Man
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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoon  (Original Message)Sent: 4/12/2008 1:54 AM
It was hard to know which board to put this on.,so I decided,it's basically, a Philosphical question. Whether Mankind has Humanity any longer, or have they relinquished it, in light of 9-11 and the Terror attacks across the globe, in the U.K. and elsewhere?
 
Our "FEAR" and our leader who tell us we NEED to fear the Arabs, and be suspicious of any who are not like us, i.e. Christian, or white, or anglo-saxon, especially, IF they hail from the Middle EAst, are dark and swarthy and pray towards the East 3 times a day, are no worthy somehow, of the benefit of the doubt.
 
At least, this is what a lot of political boards in America seem to say.
 
Anyway, in the book I mentioned, here is a letter written by one of the most feared and locked up GITMO prisoners.....where we don't treat people, with humanity any longer.
 
Judge for yourself, to see if this sounds like a letter written by a raving maniac, one who deserves no empathy, or deserving of being treated with fairness, (like charges he can defend) such as ANY of us would demand for ourselves.
 
No one at GITMO has been charged and in 4 years, half of the people held there, were let go recently.
 
WHY?............because there was no legal justification for holding them any longer.,
 
Perhaps, the other 1/2 still there, out of them all, only a few are worthy of our disdain?
 
I think the vast majority are just like us.
 
Caught up in a nightmare of fear.
 
Judge the letter for yourself.


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/12/2008 1:58 AM
from the book: "Eight o' Clock Ferry to the Windward Side"
 
by Clive Stafford Smith:
 
Clive Stafford Smith is the legal director of the UK charity Reprieve and represents more than 50 prisoners in Guantanamo Bay. Before advocating for the rights of “enemy combatants,�?Smith spent more than 20 years defending people on death row in the United States. He is the author of a new book detailing the inside story of life in what he describes as “the flagship of the secret prisons.�?It’s called “Eight O’Clock Ferry to the Windward Side: Seeking Justice in Guantanamo Bay.�?/DIV>
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/12/2008 2:09 AM
 
a letter to his lawyer, Clive Smith from Bishir al-Rawi (who moved to England when his parents fled S. Hussein, came to Britain acquired a capcity for understatement. He never took up a British passport, as he said, he hoped oe day that the Iraqi people would throw off Saddam Hussein in favour of democracy.
 
Now, he was on strike himself. "I am taking this opportunity whenever I can (he writes), to write to you"  The Letter said: (in 2005)
 
.........These are very difficult times, and my emotions are shifting and changing rapidly.  I am thinking about anything and everything.
The evenings and nights are no longer times for sleep for me.  I am always wide awake going through memories, some happy, some sad.
It all flows back to this dismal and depressing reality, and (I really don't want to sound so down); I am sorry;
This new reality , this new existence with  the food strike. It has made me live in the shadows, where one can't feel quite alive, but one does not die.  A very strange existence.
 
I think it is only now that I can claim that I've moved a step closer to understanding the feelings  and emotions of the poor and millions  of human beings who are   starving  through the world. Pictures in my mind of the starving men, women and children, which I have seen thru the years, now all make sense.
 
Now I understand what deprivation really means, why people fight and kill each other over food.  Despite my weakness and the helplessness that I feel during the days, I am determined to survive this,and think this is my biggest struggle in this jail.
I hope I'll further discover myself. 
 
Just like this whole experience has been a self-discovery full of pain and sadness, full of desperation and hope.  I pray to God that this last episode will not break me, but will help me be the best I can be, here and when I get out.
It'll be a valid and precious asset that will always be at my side.
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/15/2008 10:47 PM
from page 239 above book excerpt:
 
There are very unsavory reasons why certain people in the Bush Administration felt political pressure to neuter the right to the fair trial.
Abu Zubaydah, a Saudi brought up in Palestine, was another of hte mantle of Al-Queda miltary operations chief when Mohammad Atef was killed by an American bomb in Afghanistan.  More recent reports suggest that he was suffering from a serious mental illness.
unsurprising given that he was badly wounded when captured and mistreated as he was shuttled around the world (Extraordinary rendition style of torture)
 
Abu Zubaydah had been in U.S. custodya evenlonger then KSM and there may be even more embarrassing consequaence to his appareance in a military commission, if given a fair trial.
 
In his book, "Why America Slept" by Gerald Posner, he describes how the US set up a fake Saudi detention centre in Afghanistan with two agents posing as Saudi intelligance to pretend that Abu Zubaydah ha been flown to face the supposedly barbaric justice of the Saudi Arabians.  They expected Abu to tremble with fear when confronted with the fake Saudis interrogators
 
HOWEVER, when Abu Z. was confronted by the false Saudis, his reaction (says Posner) was not fear but "utter Relief"
 
He reeled off telephone numbers he had memorized for Prince Ahmed binSalman, bin Abdual Aziz, a nephew of King Fahd (and racehorse owner whose hore War Emblem won the Kentucky Derby in 2002), (friends of the Bushes and Cheneys)
 
And to the amazement of the Americans (the two fake saudis), the telephone numbers were VALID.
 
"He'll tell you what to do" said Abu Z, who described the extensive assistance that the Saudis had given to Al Qaeda.
The final chapter of Posner's book suggests that the Saudis (inevitably tipped off by their friends, the Americans) and possibly working with them; found a solution to prevent the unwanted publicity that these revelations would have entailed, had they caught the light of day.    (legally or otherwise)
 
 
Mysterious murders??? CIA style?? my note.
 
 
Prince Ahmed and two other Saudi royals named by Abu Zubaydah coincidentally died within days of each other, shortly after Abu Zubaydah's intelligence was passed along to the Saudi Govt.
 
On Juyly 22nd 2002, Prince Ahmed died of a heart attack age 43, it was reported. The very next day, Prince Sultan bin-Faisl bin Turk al Saud was killed in what ws called a high - spped car accident at the  age of 41.
 
The last of these 3 princes, given up in the Intelligence that the fake American operatives obtained from Abu Z,
was Prince Fahd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir expired one week later officially dying of "Thirst" while traveling east of Riyadh.
 
Perhaps ALL 3 deaths are a coincidence? Perhaps the Saudis were cleaning up their own house without any input from the CIA? Or perhaps the US was behind the assassinations.
7 months later, Posner writes, a 4th person named by Abu Z, Mr. Mushaf Ali Mir, a senior member of the Pakistan govt.
died in a plane crash in clear weather along with his wife and some close confidants.
 
After 5 years of torture and assassinations a fair and open trial would be likely to result in indictments or impeachment of the officials responsilbe for these illegal acts.
 
The Bush Adm. always more concerned with domestic publicity then long-term international goodwill and security, may find the temptation to suppress the truth too difficult to resist.
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/15/2008 10:48 PM
 Bush with his Saudi Royal House best buddies. 2008 March.

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/20/2008 9:30 PM
New and revealing movie about GITMO coming out this June:
 
 
Good for them, god bless them in getting at the truth:
 

Former Gitmo Detainees Sue U.K. Gov't

Lawsuits In London Accuse British Security Services Of Complicity In Illegal Detentions

LONDON, April 19, 2008

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/19/world/main4029070.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4029070


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