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PHILOSOPHY : The Round Dance of the Cross (Gnostic Text)
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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoon  (Original Message)Sent: 4/28/2008 4:47 AM
From the Round Dance of the Cross:

Jesus told us to form a circle and hold each other's hands, and he himself stood in the middle and said:

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"I will be wounded and I will wound"
"Amen"
"I will eat and I will be eaten"
Amen


These two sayings are interesting because I see them as both having a double meaning, one for the less spiritually advanced, for those still struggling with ignorance, and another for those as they rise above their struggles.

The acknowledgement that "I will wound and be wounded" is perhaps saying that we will continue to sin and separate ourselves from others and from God. It is a confession of our faults and imperfection. Accepting the message of Christ does not lead to an automatic cessation of our sin-desires nor does it defeat them. Yet, it is perhaps additionally alluding to the wounds of Christ himself and imlpying that not only will we be crucified with his wounds but that we ourselves will be the one's driving in those nails, so to speak and indeed, that we will be helping to crucify or "wound" others.

"I will eat and I will be eaten" recalls the saying from the Gospel of Thomas that "blessed is the lion if a human eats its". It could be an acknowledgement of the struggle against our bestial nature, that we encounter both moments of defeat and are "eaten by it" as well as victory. Again, this could be read as acknowledgement of the human condition as it stands in the more uncertain and immature stages of the spiritual journey when one has not mastered their self despite their committment to Christ.


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/28/2008 5:02 AM
The hymn of the Dance concludes with an explanation of the meaning (esoteric)
It is about suffering. - not only the suffering of Jesus, but also that of the disciples and of everyone else.  Jesus says, "Yours is the human passion I am to suffer" but he adds that he is not what he seems to be, and by impliation; that suffering is likewise not what IT seems to be.
 
http://xrl.us/bjv8m        read the excerpts here......

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/28/2008 5:12 AM
While this dance takes place just before  his execution, before he allowed himself to be taken by the soldiers in the Garden;  he sings and dnaces with his dsciples recorded in this Gnostic Text:
 
Jesus utter paradoxical lines (I will be wounded and I will wound"
The disciples respond by singing Amen.
 
Thereafter Jesus explains the passion that is at hand, and he says
"Yours is the human passion I am to suffer"
and he goes on to explain that "The true meaning of suffering would be to understand suffering ; because to understand suffering is to be free of it"
 
he says, "IF you knew how to suffer, you would be able not to suffer,
Learn how to suffer, and you will be able not to suffer"
 
 
The last words of Jesus in the Round Dance of the Cross reveal how to be free from suffering. As Elaine Pages (the historian)notes, the wisdom of Jesus resembles the wisdom of the Buddha, and both Jesus and the Buddha teach that a true understanding of suffering leads to liberation from suffering."
 
 
 
Note: I was thinking that this probably means, that to truly suffer (whether through indignities, through ill health, through mental illnesses, emotions, through your children, your parents, whatever and whoever causes you to suffer...........whatever the cause is......
The end result is a "decimation" of one's own ego.
 
The ego will be torn asunder when we suffer.
 
In this way then, the song(his utterances), makes a lot of sense, in the same way that Buddha and Edgar Cayce both said, to "not feign suffering, but rather to embrace it"........as in the end, it's what will set you free.   (free from the very strong tethers of the ego)or the connection to "attachements" that a healthy ego loves to embrace and stay attached to.
 
Whether people, places or things, all are attachments.
 
When we "lose" we suffer, and when we suffer we then through suffering, give up our attachments for all time. Thus, we eventually become "free"
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/28/2008 5:20 AM
Jesus, like the Buddha, came as a Teacher, a divine one for sure; but in the Gnostic gospels, and related texts, he is a heavenly redeemer, come to teach through rousing people, to knowledge, i.e. gnosis.
and self-understanding.
 
His voice, his call, is a wake-up call...
 
As Jesus proclaims in the end of the "Secret Book of John"
 
"I am the forethought of pure light,
I am the thought of the virgin spirit,
who raises you to a place of honor.
 
Arise, remember  that you have heard and
trust your root (your primary self or cause)
Which is I, the compassionate
 
Guard yourself against the angels of misery,
the demons of chaos and all who entrap you,
and beward of deep sleep
and the trap in the bowels of the underworld"
 
"I raised and sealed the person
in luminous water with five seals,
that death might not prevail over the person
from that moment on"
 
(from the Secret Book of John, Gnostic gospel)
 

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