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PHILOSOPHY : Gnostic Gospel of Philip (Excerpts)
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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoon  (Original Message)Sent: 5/8/2008 12:22 AM
I can't record them all, but they are probably online anyway, at the Nag Hammadi Link.  I'll type out my favorites here:
 
"When Eve ws in Adam, there was no death. When she was seperated from him, death came. If (she) enters into him again and he embraces her , death will cease to be"
 
(Interp) if we use Cayce as a knowledgable source of information, I'd say that this one reminds me of the saying of Jesus, in the Gospel of Thomas, in which Jesus says the following:
 
They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"

Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."
 
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IMO - what He is saying then, that when we came into materiality, the Yin-Yang seperated, the male from the female essence of the soul once intact,split into two parts.
We need to combine the two,back again, into the adrogynous form of the soul, BUT in the perfected form. (the inner like the outer) meaning the likeness or mirror image of the aspects(reincarnational aspects) must be perfected to be like the "outer" or the spiritual soul self.
 
 
 
 
 


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 Message 10 of 24 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 5/8/2008 1:23 AM
                  Wisdom and Mary of Magdala
 
Wisdom, who is called barren is the mother of the angels.
 
........The companion of the savior is Mary of Magdala. The savior loved her more then all the disciples.,and he kissed her often on the mouth.
The other (disciples) said to him, "Why do you love her more then all of us?"
The savior answered and said to them, "Why do I not love you like her?"
 
........IF a blind person and one who can see are both in darkness, they are the same.
When the light comes, one who can see will see the light, and the blind  person will stay in darkness"
 
 
 
Interpretation:
 
 
This fact is evident in many of the Gnostics Texts and scrolls, (see Mary of Magdala's own Gospel on a seperate thread), as well as the Gospel of Thomas in which the disciples (apostles) were critical of Mary.  They were also jealous of her rank, a woman among men.
 
What Jesus said to them, in response to their question about this, is that Mary "had the wisdom within her" to receive the Light (his gnosis)....but   those who are still in darkness, will stay in darkness as the light doesn't penetrate to them.
 
He knew Mary was "capable" of understanding his role as well as the role he was to play.
 
(you can see this easily in the Gospel of Mary) she was not only capable but very deep and knowledgeable.
 
She easily understood what he conveyed to her in her visions after his death, and explained this to the disciples.
 
Edgar Cayce reveals , when he was asked about Mary, that Jesus never married, as the worldly would. However, Cayce maintains, that IF he had married, it would have been to Mary.
But he never did.
 
It wasn't part of this lifetime for him to marry.
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 5/8/2008 1:32 AM
Mary is referenced in the Gospel of Thomas here:
note: (since it's the last saying, it is suggested that it may have been aded to the original collection later on)
 
This Gospel, goes back historically to probably the same time period or earlier then the other 4 Gospels, the Synoptic gospels, and actually is said to be older possibly even the very first one recorded.
HERE you can see the Wisdom of Mary, as Jesus perceived her ability to be:
 
 
114. Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't deserve life."

Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven."

 

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 5/8/2008 1:39 AM
                   Whoever Leaves the World
 
Whoever leaves the world can no longer be held back as if still in the world.
Such a person clarly is beyond desire.......and fear, is dominant and is above envy.
 
IF.........that person is grasped and choked. How can that perosn escape the (great grasping powers?) How can that person (hide from them?)
 
Some say, "We are faithful" in order that they may escape unclean spirits and demons.  For if they had the holy spirit, no unclean spirit could grab them.
 
Do not fear the flesh and do not love it .  IF you fear the flesh it will
dominate you.
IF you love the flesh, it will swallow you up and strangle you
 
 
 
Interpretation:
 
There are various sayings of Jesus also in the gospel of thomas, that are reminiscent of this one in Philip....from Philip's gospel above.
 
What I think it's saying, is that as the Buddha cautioned,
don't be attached!!
 
For what you are attached to, "will strangle you", in it's attachments.  Much like the Story by Charles Dickens about Ebineezer Scrooge and Jacob Marley.
you create (by attachments), your own chain.
 
the "stranglehold" is a figure of speech, I don't believe there are demons other then your  own, attachments and mind which you must come face to face with after you die.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 5/8/2008 4:27 AM
          "The World, the Ressurection (meaning Reincarnation)
                           and the Middle"
 
Edgar Cayce said that 2,000 yrs. ago, when the Gnostics spoke o fhte Ressurection they were referring to Reincarnational lives.
 
He said the Catholic Church early fathers, took the entire concept and words surrounding Reincarnaton and dumped it.....changed it, into something it wasn't meant to represent. (such as the Resurrection of a body) 
 
Here is what the disciple Philip wrote about it:
 
"A person is either in this world or in the resurrection - or in the middle place"
May I not be found there!  In this world there is good and evil, but the good of the world is not really good and the evil of the world is not really evil.
 
After this world, there is evil that is really evil; this is called the middle.
 
The middle is death.  As long as we are in this world, we should acquire resurrection (reincarnation), so that when we take off the flesh, we may be found in rest and not wander in the middle.
For many go astray on the way.
 
 

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 Message 14 of 24 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 5/8/2008 4:29 AM
                             Will and Action
 
It is good to leave the world before one sins.  Some have neither the will nor the strength to act.  Others, even if they have the will, do themselves no good, for they have not acted.
 
And if they do not have the will ........Righteousness is beyond their grasp, in either case.
It always comes down to the will, not the action

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 Message 15 of 24 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 5/8/2008 4:50 AM
                    The Inner and the Outer
 
(for this reason), he said; "I have come to make the lower like the upper and the outer like the inner and to unite them in that place"  He spoke  here in symbols and images.
 
(speaking of Jesus, and  his quote (see Gospel of Thomas)
 
Those who say there is a heavenly person and one that is higher are wrong for they call the visibly heavenly person"lower" and the one to whom the hidden realm belongs "higher"
It wold be better for them to speak of the inner , the outer, and the outermost"
For the master called corruption, "The outermost darkness" and there is nothing outside of it.  He said, "My father who is in secret"  He said, "Go into your room shut the door behind you, and pray to your father who is in secret"
that is the one who is innermot.
What is innermost is the fullness and there is noting further within. And this is what they term "uppermost"
 
 
 
 
 

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 Message 16 of 24 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 5/8/2008 4:56 AM
                          Creation through a Mistake
 
???
 
The world came into being through a mistake.
The creator wanted to make it incorruptible and immortal but he failed and did not get what he hoped for.  For the world is not incorruptible and the creator of the world is not incorruptible.
Things are not incorruptible, but offspring are.
Nothing can receive incorruptibility unless it is an offspring.
And whatever cannot receive certainly cannot give.

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 Message 17 of 24 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 5/8/2008 6:03 PM
okay, after sleeping on this, I think I "might" have a kind of interpretation.......I'll give it a try.
 
 
............The world and the creator of the world, is "corruptible" and not "incorruptible" because the creation of this plane of awareness was created by all of us, "en masse", i.e. the Collective unconscious.
 
The reason he says the "offspring" CAN receive (through our own actions), an "Incorrputible state" is because we all  have within us
a piece of "God", or "All that Is" of the  highest realm, once we reach that realm ....it's where all is perfected (in and OF itself), it's root.
 
So, to become perfected, we (humanity), in the corruptible vein (both the world and the mindset that created this world) must perfect ourselves, or as Jesus warned,
 
"Be PERFECT, even as your father in heaven is perfect"
 
THEN, we would have (en masse), "received as inheritors of this world we created, a form of "incorruptibility" and become worthwhile as co=creators as well as companions to the Perfected.
 
Yep,- that's it!!

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 Message 18 of 24 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamethose_arent_pillowsSent: 5/8/2008 6:06 PM
Re:Jesus tricked everyone, for he did not appear as he was, but he appeared so that he could be seen. He appeared to everyone. He appeared to the great as great, he appeared to the small as small, he appeared to the angels as an angel and to humans as a human.

For this reason his word was hidden from everyone.

Some looked at him and thought they saw themselves. But when he appeared to his disciples in glory upon the mountain, he was not small.

He became great. Or rather, he made the disciples great, so they could see him in his greatness."

I'm just cherry picking here... I'm going to sink my teeth into this gospel! It looks like something I want to study a lot actually. I just wanted to touch on this before I read more and think more!Yea! And here I was worried about being bored today...

Anyway.. i just really like this at first glance. It goes into my whole thing about perception shaping reality. Almost like a birth chart... you can see what you want to see. It also takes me back to old doubting Thomas wanting to touch Jesus and Mary being denied the chance to touch.

John 20:17
"Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."


Very curious and very lovely actually. A mirror for the divinity within you...or perhaps a spotlight to the corruption of your soul. this could be why he angered people so. Some people looked at Jesus and saw hope, some saw his light and were ashamed of their own darkness. Cool!

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 Message 19 of 24 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamethose_arent_pillowsSent: 5/8/2008 6:29 PM
Re:IMO - what He is saying then, that when we came into materiality, the Yin-Yang seperated, the male from the female essence of the soul once intact,split into two parts.
We need to combine the two,back again, into the androgynous form of the soul, BUT in the perfected form. (the inner like the outer) meaning the likeness or mirror image of the aspects(reincarnational aspects) must be perfected to be like the "outer" or the spiritual soul self.

Ok this as totally random and don't give any like real and serious though to this query! So our soul being split that way... are both parts on Earth... or is the split from the Higher Self? It's funny because I have a distinct impression of my Higher Self being male. That's weird to me and that's why it took me so long to figure out who the weirdo stalking my lucid dreams was LOL! I assumed the other part of my soul would be more....girly and maternal. No... distinctly fatherly... if that makes sense..

Or is it more like Ralph and you ... one soul split! Very literally male and female. I guess the male female thing is just a metaphor for balance. Two differing forces coming together to make one whole.

So what's reincarnation then... are we just struggling to find the broken pieces from our Original Break... Like the part when our soul Split. One half stayed perfect... our higher self. But the other parts fragmented....scattered themselves through all of space and time and we just struggle putting the pieces back together. Like some cosmic and divine scavenger hunt! An easter egg hunt for our souls! What made us fragment in the first place? It sounds traumatic really! You think when "Satan" fell... he messed things up a bit? Did he gum up the works a bit in a fit of anger? Something made this splinter happen.

Maybe Satan falling was a metaphor for 'our' fall from grace too! Like we were whole and perfect, beautiful... something happened then there was a split and that how Earth came into being....

Just like Adam and Eve. Adam was whole.. when eve was taken from him... this is when we first discover sin. The Sin was taking form the tree of knowledge... Isn't that a bit like Knowledge not applied being a sin? They weren't allowed to eat from that tree. Why? Is it because they weren't evolved enough to "digest that fruit" if you will.

It seems like Bad things happen when we presume to be our own Gods. We don't have the equipment and we always look for the easy path t knowledge.i think it's pretty funny that God 's punishment was toil and suffering Was it really punishment.. or was it just so we can learn to apply our stolen Knowledge? The pain makes the knowledge full an eloquent... don't you think?

Ok I'm getting kind of out there now! i'll stop before I sound like a CRAZY person. i'll think some more and organize my thoughts. I always get loopy when I discover something new!

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 5/8/2008 6:42 PM
John 20:17
"Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."


Very curious and very lovely actually. A mirror for the divinity within you...or perhaps a spotlight to the corruption of your soul. this could be why he angered people so. Some people looked at Jesus and saw hope, some saw his light and were ashamed of their own darkness. Cool!'''
 
 
What a beautiful explanation (interpretation Nickey!)
I really had no true explanation before for this one, except in my dream where I SAW him, and was so excited about it, that dream stays with me very vividly even today
BUT in this dream, he was "Superman".......just like Clark Kent was, BUT better......very determined, very much wanting to not lose his forcus on "flying", to the betterment of people.
 
(I never thought of it like a mirror before)......so interesting)

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 5/8/2008 6:47 PM
Ref:   So what's reincarnation then... are we just struggling to find the broken pieces from our Original Break... Like the part when our soul Split. One half stayed perfect... our higher self. But the other parts fragmented....scattered themselves through all of space and time and we just struggle putting the pieces back together. Like some cosmic and divine scavenger hunt! An easter egg hunt for our souls! What made us fragment in the first place? It sounds traumatic really! You think when "Satan" fell... he messed things up a bit? Did he gum up the works a bit in a fit of anger? Something made this splinter happen.

Maybe Satan falling was a metaphor for 'our' fall from grace too! Like we were whole and perfect, beautiful... something happened then there was a split and that how Earth came into being....

 

YES (the 2nd part) Satan is a Metaphor. (for our fall from grace)

 

Remember, Jesus told Peter in the Garden of Gethsemene, when he KNEW that the soldiers were on their way for him, and Peter told him to save hiimself and run away and hide:

 

"Get thee behind me Satan"

 

....................Satan was a metaphor for self-involvment,(Peter' was)

and for ego (Peter's speaking), egging Jesus on to save himself, from himself.,and not complete his mission.

Like conscience then.

I remember in the old Amos & Andy tapes, (I loved Amos & Andy), the Kingfish says,

"Is that you talking to me conscience?"

 

YES - conscience speaks but few listen.

 

 


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 5/8/2008 6:53 PM
For the rest of it, Edgar Cayces books (some of them) explain it far better then I can. But suffice it to say, that each soul, (the Individuality of the Soul, Cayce called it).......that part that is "Before the Throne always" of "Grace , Beauty and Light", or All that IS.,
is andrygenous. Of no particular gender.
 
BUT, this is a dual world, we created in order to have a mindset that tests us, i.e. good vs evil.
We "use" this mindset and world, in the dual sense every day.
Should I ? Shouldn't I?   should I do the right thing , or make my ego satisfied for another day, by doing what I KNOW is wrong, in the end.
 
These contrasts come about because of being in a self-created (en masse) collective world that contrasts for a purpose.
 
To do this, we become male & female just like all the animals who inhabited this world before any of us (souls) came here.
 
When we return, (to our root) or from whence we came, we are not a sex or a gender.
We are "Whole".
 
Some souls (as Ralph's writings explained to you), are "Whole" within themsevles carrying all they need,(both contrasts), some are not but appear here in two sexes. It matters not, what matters is that you take from the experience, the whole purpose /Ideal of WHY you entered this time.
 
Ralph suggested once to me, that perhaps, it's more odd for souls to split into two, and you have to have enough "time", or experience in this plane in order to achieve this.....kind of like paying your dues?
 
The reason why, is not to be Better then, but rather to achieve more faster (two working on it, rather then one) in the human form.
 
BUT, to have this chance, requires the soul to be further ahead, (so to speak), it's kind of a gift then, that experienced souls are given.
 
None of our 3 children, are split souls, each has within themselves, BOTH ying/yang, or they are "whole" within themselves.
 
 

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 5/8/2008 6:59 PM
Background texts, of "Genderless" Souls:
 
And some of the Sadducees,
who deny there is a resurrection,
approaching questioned him saying, "Teacher,
Moses wrote for us that
if someone's brother dies having a wife,
and he is childless, his brother should take the wife
and raise up seed for his brother.
Now there were seven brothers;
and the first having taken a wife died childless;
and the second and the third took her,
and similarly also the seven did not leave children and died.
Finally the woman died too.
The woman then, in the resurrection
whose wife does she become?
For the seven had her as a wife?"

And Jesus told them,
"The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage,
but those considered worthy of attaining that age
and the resurrection (reincarnation)  of the dead
neither marry nor are given in marriage;
for they can no longer die, (after perfected)
for they are equal to angels
and they are sons of God beings sons of the resurrection.

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 5/8/2008 7:50 PM
Post #5:
  Jesus Tricked Everyone (Gospel of Philip - Gnostic)
 
"Jesus tricked everyone, for he did not appear as he was, but he appeared so that he could be seen. He appeared to everyone.  He appeared to the great as great, he appeared to the small as small, he appeared to the angels as an angel and to humans as a human.
 
For this reason his word was hidden from everyone.
 
Some looked at him and thought they saw themselves. But when he appeared to his disciples in glory upon the mountain, he was not small.
 
He became great.  Or rather, he made the disciples great, so they could see him in his greatness."
 
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Here is an Example .....of Jesus "tricking" everyone.
 

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