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Sidereal Charts : Ancient Ptolemaic and before Astrology
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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoon  (Original Message)Sent: 4/8/2008 6:38 AM
Did the Ancients, including Ptolemy, who studied and translated both Egyptian and Pesian Astrology, perhaps when he wrote his Tetrabilios, have the ancient, (turned around Zodiac in mind??) when he wrote this about marriage??
 
We were studying this on another forum, when it suddenly occurred to the starter of the thread, that this may indeed have been the case, that Ptolemy, meant the "Quadrants" in the old ancient, (turned around houses)..............
 
Here is what the houses would have looked like, compared to today's houses..in the "Full House chart" or Sidereal chart.
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 the reverse result  we are getting with marriage places may be  because the technique belongs  to the days of  clockwise zodiacs and has been carried over into  the newer anti-clockwise  zodiac without adjustment (just as I think the  Joys may have been).  
 
 
I found another older zodiac, based upon the Egyptian one that Kircher illustrated with the translation. Note the signs, are all reversed:
 
  


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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/8/2008 6:40 AM
Looking for the planets in their "Joy", as this chart demonstrates, I found this link that shows two of them.
 
Saturn (in it's "joy" in the 12th)
and Jupiter (in it's "Joy" in the 11th)
 
http://www.astrology-x-files.com/houses/evil-spirit.html         Saturn joy in 12
 
http://www.astrology-x-files.com/houses/good-spirit.html       Jupiter joy in 11
 
does this then suggest (with the new chart), that the Joys are actually in the opposite houses from what we use??
Meaning Saturn in the 7th? or Jupiter in the 5th?  
 
ye gads, I'm all turned around & confused..    Whole Houses would change that too.

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From: MSN NicknameCaringLeomoonSent: 4/8/2008 6:42 AM
from Ptolemy:
 
Here is the  method, and definition of the Eastern quadrant as extracted from Ptolomey’s Tetrabiblos:  
 
http://www.pathguy.com/tetrabib.htm#Section56
 
 
“As the subject of marriage comes next in order to these matters, the following is the method whereby the lawful association of man and wife must be investigated.�?
 
”In the case of the wives one must observe the sun in their genitures; for if he, again, chances to be in the eastern quadrants, he makes those who have him in this position in their genitures either marry young or marry men younger than themselves, but in the western quadrants, he makes them marry late or marry husbands older than themselves.�? 
 
“In this connection we mean by eastern quadrants, in the case of the sun, the signs which precede the rising sign of the zodiac, and those which precede the setting sign; and by western quadrants the signs opposite these.�?/SPAN> 
 
 
Suppose IF this is all meant to be reversed?........as the older zodiacs might suggest?