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General : Jobless rate at 15-year-high 6.7% as U.S. payrolls plunge
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From: MSN NicknameWWIIWarrior  (Original Message)Sent: 12/5/2008 4:59 PM
      ECONOMY BLEEDS JOBS
   This is starting to get really serious, especially at this time, when announcements of lay-offs comes up every day and they involve thousands of folks... ABC said last night that 5 more places will be laying off and that totals over 20, 000 folks...
WWIIwarrior
 
 
Nonfarm payrolls contract by 533,000 in the worst monthly job loss in 34 years. Since recession began in late 2007, 1.9 million jobs have been lost. Jobless rate is at highest level since 1993.
�?White House 'very concerned'
�?Diane Swonk: No one is safe Audio
�?Worse to come (24/7 Wall St.)
 
MARKET SNAPSHOT
A bleak backdrop
Stocks take a bruising after November payrolls plummet.
�?No, it's not too late to get bearish
�?Dollar mixed; data impact eyed


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From: MSN NicknameWWIIWarriorSent: 12/5/2008 5:39 PM
More information in regards to lay-offs...
WWII
ECONOMIC REPORT

Payrolls plunge by stunning 533,000 in November

Jobless rate rises to 15-year high of 6.7%, as recession deepens

By Rex Nutting, MarketWatch
Last update: 10:58 a.m. EST Dec. 5, 2008
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - U.S. nonfarm payrolls plunged by an astonishing 533,000 in November, the worst job loss in 34 years, the Labor Department reported Friday.
It's only the fourth time in the past 58 years that payrolls have fallen by more than 500,000 in a month. Since the recession began 11 months ago, a total of 1.9 million jobs have been lost. Job losses in September and October were revised much lower.
In addition to the 533,000 lost jobs, an additional 621,000 workers were pushed into part-time work and 422,000 simply dropped out of the labor force.
"This is almost indescribably terrible," wrote Ian Shepherdson, chief U.S. economist for High Frequency Economics. "The pace of job losses is accelerating alarmingly."
Over the past three months, 1.26 million jobs have been lost, a pace of job destruction exceeded only once since 1945.
"The threat of a widespread depression is now real and present," said Peter Morici, a business professor at the University of Maryland.
The recession "is going to be long and drawn out," wrote Jennifer Lee, an economist for BMO Capital Markets.
The unemployment rate rose from 6.5% in October to 6.7% in November, the highest jobless rate since October 1993. Read the full report.
Job losses were widespread across industries in November. Fewer than a third of industries were hiring in November.
In services-producing industries, 370,000 jobs were lost, a record excluding one month in 1983 when nearly three-quarters of a million workers at AT&T went on strike.
The grim report could set the stage for further responses from Washington to address the recession. The Bush administration promised "aggressive" action, and pressure increased on the incoming Obama administration to craft a sizable fiscal stimulus plan. The large loss of jobs could also boost the chances for the automakers to get a loan from the federal government.
The Federal Reserve is likely to lower its interest rate target at the Dec. 16 meeting, economists said.
The employment report was much worse than expected. Economists expected job losses of around 350,000 in November. They expected the unemployment rate to rise to 6.8%. See Economic Calendar.
"We expect labor market conditions to be dreadful for many months to come and consequently for consumer spending to continue to decline," wrote Josh Shapiro, chief economist for MFR Inc.
Job losses in September and October were revised sharply lower by a total of 199,000. Over the past three months, payrolls have fallen by an average of 419,000 per month, compared with average monthly losses of 82,000 earlier in the year.
An alternative gauge of unemployment -- which includes discouraged workers and those whose hours have been cut back to part-time -- rose to 12.5% from 11.8%. The number of workers forced to work part-time rose by 621,000 to 7.3 million.
Total hours worked in the economy fell 0.9% in November and are down 2.8% in the past year. The average workweek fell to a record-low 33.5 hours in November. The decline in working hours is consistent with a 5% annualized drop in gross domestic product, wrote John Silvia, chief economist for Wachovia.
Average hourly earnings rose by 7 cents, or 0.4%, to $18.30. Average hourly wages are up 3.7% in the past year, close to the 3.8% rise in the consumer price index.
In goods-producing industries, 163,000 jobs were lost, according to a survey of work places. Manufacturing lost 85,000 workers, while construction lost 82,000.
In the services, 136,000 jobs were lost in business services, including 101,000 in employment services, such as temporary jobs. Financial services cut 34,000 jobs. Retail shed 91,000 jobs, including 24,000 at auto dealers.
Leisure and hospitality industries cut 76,000 jobs
Health and education services industries added 52,000 jobs. Government added 7,000.
In a separate survey of households, the government found that employment fell by 673,000, the largest lost since August 2001. Unemployment rose by 251,000 to 10.3 million. Unemployment has increased 2.7 million during the recession and 2.7 million more have been forced into part-time work.
In November, the labor force fell by 422,000.
The employment-population ratio fell to 61.4% in November from 61.8%. The labor force participation rate fell to 65.8% from 66.1%. End of Story
Rex Nutting is Washington bureau chief of MarketWatch

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From: Jan53Sent: 12/5/2008 7:59 PM
I am so afraid for my families there.  One daughter with a one year old and another on the way. The other already in danger of losing her house, without a layoff. My brothers, who are near (but not at) retirement age.

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From: MSN Nicknameoskar576nLadySent: 12/5/2008 8:11 PM
In the US, when a worker has used up unemployment benefits and goes onto welfare welfare is s/he still part of the unemployment statistics?

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From: MSN NicknameSinclair20Sent: 12/5/2008 11:19 PM
I know things are bad, but why would somebody who has not lost thier job already be in danger on losing thier house?

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From: MSN Nicknameoskar576nLadySent: 12/5/2008 11:25 PM
I know things are bad, but why would somebody who has not lost thier job already be in danger on losing thier house?
Sub-prime mortgage term is up and now the mortgagee has to pay the current market rate and can't afford it.

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From: MSN NicknameSinclair20Sent: 12/5/2008 11:59 PM
How dumb would someone have to be to not get a fixed rate mortgage.

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From: Jan53Sent: 12/6/2008 12:18 AM
oskar, when a person's umemployment benefits stop, they are no longer counted in the unemployment statistics of the government. They are not "on roll" as unemployed. That is how the government skews the unemployment percentages. It does not reflect a true accounting.  
 

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From: MSN NicknameWWIIWarriorSent: 12/6/2008 12:49 AM
Jan  yp 8
 
I am glad that you cleared that up, since this government will always lie to make things look better then they really are...
WWII

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From: MSN NicknameCharley©Sent: 12/6/2008 3:14 AM
I don't believe I'm counted among the unemployed when I'm drawing from the Trade Readjustment Act(TRA). I am drawing unemployment now, because the government allowed an extension on unemployment benefits which puts me back on unemployment.

Unemployment "figures" went up this week because of the extension. Multitudes of unemployed people who have been dropped from the unemployment system filled out unemployment vouchers last Sunday. If you are drawing a paycheck from the unemployment system you are unemployed. If you aren't, because your benefits are used up, you're a bum I guess.

TRA is a fund set up to train workers whose job went to a foreign country. Several lines from our plant went to Mexico, China, and Canada.

I've never liked drawing unemployment, but I paid in exactly the amount of taxes my education is going to cost.

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From: MSN NicknamePikesPeak14110Sent: 12/6/2008 3:20 AM
Look at the price of gas as a parallel indicator. That freefall isn't just for grins, or our good fortune. There is a LOT more behind that, and it's rooted in aspects of the economy I believe many suspect, don't really want to face, and of course, both guvvermint and free enterprise will pretend isn't there until branded on the ass by it.

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From: MSN Nicknameoskar576nLadySent: 12/6/2008 6:35 AM
As soon as countries can afford to reduce their USD reserves, they will do so. That's when reality will hit.

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From: MSN NicknameNacho_and_a_halfSent: 12/6/2008 2:14 PM
Here in Michigan, the unemployment rate is 10%. Way above the national average of 6.6%.
 
If the fed doesn't help Detroit (which I'm against), this state may lose up to 1 million jobs. Detroit is in dire straights right now...... and it's not just the automotive industry, it's the whole economy! I talk to my customers down there and they are scared. Very scared right now.
 
Nacho!

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From: MSN NicknameSinclair20Sent: 12/6/2008 5:56 PM
What better way would there be to determine the unemployment rate?  Door to door survey?

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From: MSN Nicknameoskar576nLadySent: 12/6/2008 6:12 PM
Don't have an unemployment rate. As a tool it's prety useless except for gummint bureaucrats.
Why not have an employment rate instead? So, if 40% of the population is employed it indicates that the other 60% are somehow dependant.

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