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General : Can Obama save our schools?
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From: Noserose  (Original Message)Sent: 12/16/2008 10:31 AM

Sources: Obama taps Chicago schools chief

President-elect plans to name Arne Duncan as his education secretary

WASHINGTON - President-elect Barack Obama has chosen Chicago schools chief Arne Duncan to serve as education secretary, people with knowledge of the decision said Monday.

Obama planned to announce his choice Tuesday morning. Duncan has run the country's third-biggest school district for the past seven years. He has focused on improving struggling schools, closing those that fail. Obama highlighted this work by choosing for the announcement a turnaround story for Duncan �?Dodge Renaissance Academy, a school Duncan closed and then reopened.

The two had visited the school together three years ago, although they share more than an interest in education: Duncan has played pickup basketball with Obama since the 1990s. In fact, Duncan co-captained the Harvard basketball team and played professionally in Australia before his career in education.

How will Obama fix schools?
Duncan ran an education nonprofit on Chicago's South Side before working in Chicago Public Schools under former chief Paul Vallas, now the schools chief in New Orleans.

Obama's choice has been anticipated, and argued about, by education groups anxious to see what Obama will do to fix the country's ailing schools.

Obama managed throughout his campaign to avoid taking sides in the contentious debate between reform advocates and teachers' unions over the direction of education and the fate of President Bush's No Child Left Behind accountability law.

Duncan's selection may satisfy both factions. Reform advocates wanted a big-city school superintendent who, like Duncan, has sought accountability for schools and teachers. And teachers' unions, an influential segment of the party base, wanted an advocate for their members; they have said they believe Duncan is willing to work with them.

"Arne Duncan actually reaches out and tries to do things in a collaborative way," Randi Weingarten, head of the 1.4 million-member American Federation of Teachers, told The Associated Press earlier this month.In the education debate, the competing sides break down over the degree to which teachers and schools should be held accountable for how kids are learning, and the role test scores should play in making that determination.

At the heart of the dispute: No Child Left Behind, the law that has grown as unpopular as George W. Bush, the outgoing president who championed it.

The reform group agrees with the law's general principle of penalties for schools if test scores fail to improve, although nearly everyone agrees the law has problems that need fixing.

The union coalition says test scores aren't the only measure, and that factors far beyond the classroom affect how well kids learn.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28244612/

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{ I have never heard of this man and know nothing about him. Perhaps Pikes has an opinion on him? What is Obama going to do about our public school system? How will he "fix" the problem? Often our schools are over crowded, ill supplied, run down with low morale and low expectations. Teachers seem to get blamed for everything. Everyone seems to agree that teachers are one of the most important and under appreciated work forces in America. Yet they still get the brunt of the criticism while parents often look at schools as nothing but a baby sitting opportunity.

There is little doubt that the system is broken and the future of our children and the nation is at stake. Something has to be done. As usual Conservatives and Liberals seem to have different views on what needs to be done. The so called "culture war" doesn't even spare our children. You would think the education of our children is the one issue that we could all be united on but that is not the case.

Can there be a plan to improve the education system that would work in high density urban areas as well as rural areas? Should we accept the idea that one system will not work for all areas of the nation and start to concentrate more on regions rather than the nation as a whole? Does an inner city school in Chicago have much in common with a country school in Montana? Can one policy work for both? For that matter does a school in Brooklyn have anything in common with one in a small town in upstate New York?

What's to be done? Where do we start? What do you think?}



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From: MSN Nicknameoskar576nLadySent: 12/17/2008 1:08 AM
Why should smart kids be second class citizens????
They aren't.
Get the bureaucrats out of the way, let the teachers teach and you'll see improvements.

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From: MSN NicknameCharley©Sent: 12/17/2008 1:15 AM
Dumbing down of education? My daughter is in a remedial class. It's one hour of math where she does nothing more than work with a teacher who can give her more one on one time.

When I was in grade school in the seventies, I had a learning problem. I sucked at math and could read sight words only. I had a teacher that sat down with me one on one for a few minutes each math and reading hour and broke my learning barrier. I walked into the fifth grade with the ability to read at second grade levels. I walked out reading at college level.

So, what you're saying is all teachers should have given up on me and left me at second grade level? I should have went on through school with D's and F's and not graduated from high school because I was dumb.

My opinion, start with dumping the standardized tests. They are useless. Second, make kids learn. Leave cell phone, games, and other crap at the door. If they don't pay attention, go back to corporal punishment. Telling mommy and daddy that johnny won't listen doesn't work.

If I knew I was gonna get a whuppin' for not paying attention in grade school, I paid attention.

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From: MSN NicknameRayMc28Sent: 12/17/2008 2:33 AM
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From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknameoskar576nLady</NOBR> Sent: 12/16/2008 8:08 PM
Why should smart kids be second class citizens????
They aren't.
Get the bureaucrats out of the way, let the teachers teach and you'll see improvements.
 
They ARE when it comes to funding

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From: MSN NicknamePikesPeak14110Sent: 12/17/2008 7:30 AM
Get the bureaucrats, administrators and other meddlers the hell out of the business, and let teachers do their jobs. Get rid of the screwl counsellors, who aren't worth their weight in shit, either. Most counsellors I worked with were useless paycheck takers. Virtually everyone in education who leaves the classroom, was never a very good teacher. What make them think they will be a better counsellor, or better instructional leader? They work twenty more days, and get double salary. Well that's incentive right there, isn't it? Finally, repeal every unfunded mandate, beginning with NCLB. If the politicians don't have the fookin balls to pay for what they want, then then have no right to tell us how to spend our own constituents' money on their whimsical ideas. If politicians had to operate under our demand of accountability, there would be no debt, or deficit.

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From: MSN Nicknameoskar576nLadySent: 12/17/2008 8:34 AM
The battle is on again, Pikes. My wife now has two other grievances pending against her principal and the school board. One for intimidaton and one for harrassment. The show starts Jan. 12, 2009.

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From: MSN NicknamePikesPeak14110Sent: 12/17/2008 6:40 PM
They don't get it, do they Oskar?
 
They won't get it, even when they're gotten out. To get it requires thoughtfulness, and I seldom met an administrator who was thoughtful.
 
On Belles' thread about state corruption, Colorado, allegedly a clean state by outside appearance, is a goo ole boy's club where corruption is what they call regular business. We have a fabulous mountain park called Garden of the Gods, and the south end has these three peculiar fingers of land reaching into the park, surrounded by park on three sides. In the fingerprint of each, is the home of a former Colorado Springs mayor.
 
Naw, we don't have corruption here.
 
Mt. Lincoln, Democrat and Bross were closed two years ago because that former forest service land is now privately owned. So Culebra Peak, the entire eastern flank of Mt. Harvard, and southern flank of Blanca Peak are also closed, due to private ownership.
 
Naw, we don't have corruption here. Public land suddenly becoming privately owned, obviously sold by the gubbermint, should be a concern for everyone.
 
Like our screwls, not enough people care to make it an issue.

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From: MSN Nicknameoskar576nLadySent: 12/17/2008 7:12 PM
I'm seeing a lawyer next week about taking out a civil damages suit against the school principal personally. You know, loss of enjoyment of life and all that crap? The amount will be high enough to make her wonder about her retirement.
I know it probably won't go anywhere but it will sure as heck start waking people up because the press will be the first to "get wind of it".

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From: MSN NicknamePikesPeak14110Sent: 12/18/2008 12:27 AM
Here, before you can file suit, a ruling has to occur that determines whether misconduct was by the teacher, or the district. In this great conservative state, 99% of the time, the hearing officer rules for the district, and against the employee, effecitvely killing any hope you have for a lawsuit.
 
Do you think this is a set up? In a NY minute.
 
I personally watched district witnesses contradict each other on events, and the lies weren't even addressed by the hearing officer. Didn't raise one eyebrow of concern.

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From: MSN Nicknameoskar576nLadySent: 12/18/2008 12:29 AM
I'm intending to be a nuisance and bring public attention to the crappy school board.

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From: MSN NicknameJoethree56Sent: 12/19/2008 12:32 AM
The following is the gist of an email from a teacher in Austin.

"...observed one of my students with a group of other children gathered around his laptop. Upon looking at his computer, I saw he was giving a demonstration of some sort. The student was showing the ability of the laptop and handing out Linux disks. After confiscating the disks I called a confrence with the student and that is how I came to discover you and your organization. Mr. Starks, I am sure you strongly believe in what you are doing but I cannot either support your efforts or allow them to happen in my classroom. At this point, I am not sure what you are doing is legal. No software is free and spreading that misconception is harmful. These children look up to adults for guidance and discipline. I will research this as time allows and I want to assure you, if you are doing anything illegal, I will pursue charges as the law allows. Mr. Starks, I along with many others tried Linux during college and I assure you, the claims you make are grossly over-stated and hinge on falsehoods. I admire your attempts in getting computers in the hands of disadvantaged people but putting linux on these machines is holding our kids back.

This is a world where Windows runs on virtually every computer and putting on a carnival show for an operating system is not helping these children at all. I am sure if you contacted Microsoft, they would be more than happy to supply you with copies of an older verison of Windows and that way, your computers would actually be of service to those receiving them..."

Karen xxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxx Middle School
AISD


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From: MSN NicknameJoethree56Sent: 12/19/2008 12:36 AM
This was the reply


I suppose I should, before anything else, thank you. You have given me the opportunity to show others just what a battle we face in what we do. "We" being those who advocate, support and use Free Open Source Software and Linux in particular.

If you find my following words terse or less than cordial, take a breath and prepare yourself...what I have to say to you are soft strokes to your hair in comparison to what you are about to experience.

First off, if there was even the slightest chance that I was doing something illegal, it would not have been done. To think that I would involve my kids in my "illegal" activities is an insult far beyond outrage. You should be ashamed of yourself for putting into print such none sense.

And please...investigate to your heart's content. You are about to have your eyes opened, that is if you actually investigate anything at all. Linux is a free as-in-cost and free as-in-license operating system. It was designed specifically for those purposes. Linux is used to free people from Microsoft. The fact that you seem to believe that Microsoft is the end all and be-all is actually funny in a sad sort of way. Then again, being a good NEA member, you would spout the Union line. Microsoft has pumped tens of millions of dollars into your union. Of course you are going to "recommend" Microsoft Windows". To do otherwise would probably get you reprimanded at the least and fired at the worst. You are only doing what you've been instructed to do.

You've been trained well.

I don't know when you attended college Karen but the Linux of even two years ago pales in feature and ability to what there is available now...and that in turn will pale in a year's time. linux is superior to MS windows in so many ways, they are too numerous to mention here...I am weary of enumerating them. Unlike Microsoft who meters their "improvements" and then shovels them to you every five years or so for purchase; Linux releases their improvements upon their completion. We receive the newest and the best of the system when it is tested to be usable and stable. Karen, you have no idea the slavery you work under...but you don't know any better. The shame of it is, you are trapped with millions of other teachers in obeying the NEA and preaching the goodness of Windows and Microsoft. A superior, free and absolutely entertaining method of operating your computer is within reach and you are unable to grasp it.

The most disturbing part of this resides in the fact that the AISD purchases millions of dollars of Microsoft Software in a year's time when that money could be better spent on educating our children. A dedicated School Teacher would recognize that fact and lobby for the change to Free Open Source Software and let the money formally spent on MS bindware be used on our kids.

A teacher who cared about her students would do that.

That is sad past my ability to express it to you. Don't shackle your students in your prison Karen.

Now. You give that boy his disks back. Aaron is a brilliant kid and he's learned more using Linux than he ever did using Windows. Those disks and their distribution are perfectly legal and even if he was "disruptive", you cannot keep his property. I have placed a call to the AISD Superintendent and cc'd him a complete copy of your email. It looks like we will get to meet in his office when School starts again after the holiday. I am anxious to meet a person who is this uninformed and still holds a position of authority and learnedness over our children.

Ken Starks
HeliOS Solutions

By the way, I using Linux at this moment.

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From: MSN NicknameJoethree56Sent: 12/19/2008 12:41 AM
That last remark was of course mine

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From: MSN NicknamePikesPeak14110Sent: 12/19/2008 4:05 AM
 
Linux is superior to Windows.
 
MacOS is too. Virtually immune to viruses, many of which I suspect originate from Microsoft, as help for the satellites of antivirus companies who depend on problematic troubleshooting for Microsoft, for their existance.
 
Public education in America, is largely in the drink. NCLB screw it up worse than ever. One very disturbing trend, a best practice among administrators, is rewarding students for non-work. You know... the old "they don't know shit, but make them feel like they're the best shit-knowers on the planet." So, consider a kid is abusing a chair in your classroom. If you ask them to stop, and they just ignore you, then you tell them to stop and they ignore you, and you do the American boss thing, and get on the kid's case and write him up for destruction of school property when a leg bends, the trouble isn't the kid, but the teacher for poor classroom management. Is it any wonder why so many Americans are such shitty poor workers?
 
In otherwords, go along with the kids, get along, be their friend, and don't make them man, and you're a good teacher. Expect higher standards, which they are capable to reach if they make the effort, and they resist, and you're not. At this time, America cannot afford to make this mistake once again. But guess what. These children are largely children of parents who are public education products last time this sad practice was the best practice model, and to appease the parents, admin caves in.

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From: MSN Nicknameoskar576nLadySent: 12/19/2008 6:10 AM
and to appease the parents, admin caves in.
So true, and if said brat is desended from a school board official, watch your butt, Mr. Teacher.

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