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General : Why we like remembering the 50s
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From: MSN NicknameBellelettres  (Original Message)Sent: 12/30/2008 11:48 AM

The last line of this article explains my fascination with "Mad Men." I remember the late 50s and early 60s. I was writing at the time, "Why are things the way they are? Why do men have all the power?" Then I read "The Feminine Mystique" and got a divorce. Young women who don't know what the big deal about feminism is ought to read some of these books. -- Belle
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December 30, 2008
Op-Ed Guest Columnist
The Lure of Opulent Desolation
By JUDITH WARNER

About seven years ago, not long after settling into a little house on a tree-lined street in a city neighborhood all but indistinguishable from the suburbs surrounding it, I developed a brief obsession with mid-20th-century American anomie. I read “The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit�?and “The Organization Man.�?I re-read “The Feminine Mystique.�?

And I devoured Richard Yates’s “Revolutionary Road,�?a then largely overlooked book that I found one day among the paperbacks in our local bookstore, snatching it up for what its jacket promised would be “the most evocative portrayal�?of suburban “opulent desolation.�?(“What in God’s name was the point or the meaning or the purpose of a life like this?�?was the sort of gratifying payoff I found within its pages.)

I approached these books, I’ll admit, with a kind of prurient interest, a combination of revulsion and irresistible attraction, thoroughly enjoying the sad and sordid sexual repression, the infantilization of women, the cookie-cutter conformity imposed upon men. I couldn’t get enough of the miserable domestic underbelly of life in the period we like to call “the Fifties,�?an era that spans the late �?0s to the mid-�?0s. Some of the fascination was a kind of exoticism. More, however, came from the fact that, I found, in our era of “soccer moms,�?“surrendered wives�?and “new traditionalism,�?the look and sound of the opulent desolation was eerily familiar.

I soon had a steady stream of new material to feed my craving for Lucky Strike- and martini-scented domestic disturbances. The films “Far From Heaven�?and “The Hours.�?The TV series “Mad Men.�?And now, of course, “Revolutionary Road,�?the movie, repackaging what USA Today recently called “the savagery of post-war domesticity�?for the Oscars.

Why is there such a desire, even a hunger, to recreate images from such an unhappy past? A past characterized by every possible form of bigotry? A past, furthermore, that people like the “Mad Men�?creator Matthew Weiner and the directors of “Revolutionary Road,�?“Far From Heaven�?and “The Hours�?can’t possibly remember, having been born, like me, in the 1960s?

“Part of the show is trying to figure out,�?Weiner told The Times’s Alex Witchel last June, “what is the deal with my parents. Am I them? Because you know you are.�?/FONT>

There’s some of that, I think. But there’s also much more.

Unlike the baby boomers before us, we “baby busters�?of the �?0s never rebelled against the trappings of domesticity represented by our images of the 1950s. Many of us, deep down, yearn for it, having experienced divorce or other sorts of family dislocation in the 1970s. We keep alive a secret dream of “a model of routine and order and organization and competence,�?a life “where women kept house, raised kids and kept their eyebrows looking really good,�?as the writer Lonnae O’Neal Parker once described it in The Washington Post Magazine.

But that order and routine and competence in our frenetic world proves forever elusive, a cruel ideal we can never reach.

The fact is: as an unrebellious, cautious, anxious generation, many of us are living lives not all that different from those of the parents of the early 1960s, yet without the seeming ease, privileges and benefits. Husbands have been stripped of the power perks of their gender, wives of the anticipation that they’ll be taken care of for life.

How we seem to love and hate those men and women we never knew. What we would give to know their secrets: how Dad managed to come home at 5 p.m. to read the paper or watch TV while Mom fixed dinner and bathed the kids. How Mom turned up at school, every day, unrumpled, coiffed, unflappable. And more to the point: how they managed to afford the lives that they led, on one salary, without hocking their homes to pay for college, without worrying about being bankrupted by medical bills.

How we make them pay now, when we breathe them back into life. Our cultural representations of them are punishing. We defile the putative purity of the housewives �?those doe-eyed, frivolous, almost simple-minded depressives �?by assigning them drunken, cheating, no-good mates. We discredit the memory of the organization men by filling them with self-loathing and despair. Each gender invites its downfall, and fully deserves the comeuppance that history, we know, will ultimately deal it.

That’s where the pleasure comes in. No matter how lost we are, no matter how confused, no matter how foolish we feel, we can judge ourselves the winners.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/30/opinion/30warner.html?ref=opinion&pagewanted=print



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From: NoseroseSent: 12/30/2008 12:00 PM
All I know about the 50s is a bit about the music and the movie "far from heaven" which I liked a lot.

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From: Old CootSent: 12/30/2008 12:56 PM
Oh yes that was some time frame in Flora's and my life. Marriage, kids, good times, many changes in technology as well as the woman stuff you mentioned. You can imagine the many delightful discussions that we young people had.

oc..alas, many of those young friends are now dead. Their ideals and ideas still live.

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From: MSN NicknameDee-ShowMeStateSent: 12/30/2008 10:16 PM
People often talk about the good ole 60's but IMO, the 50's should be something everyone should experience.  I loved the 50's!! 

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From: MSN NicknameLodi-_Sent: 12/31/2008 2:35 PM
The 50s must have been a good time for our parents.  Only one worker, the breadwinner because he was man of the house.  But some people didn't live like that.  Mom always took care of the home, until it called for the man's help.
I was just crawling around then and that's when rock music started and things were so much cheaper.  Even on my birth certificate is states that my Mom was in the hospital for a week, so it cost my parents $68.00 to have me.  Today hospitals charge so much.  If you have a baby you can stay there overnight, or up to 3 days, and the cost is in the thousands.  I think it must have been the 60s before my Dad could even bring home a $100.00 check from work.

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From: MSN NicknamePikesPeak14110Sent: 12/31/2008 6:49 PM
I like the government newsreels from that time, about how keeping a tidy house makes it more nuclear bomb proof. Their "trashy" house is cleaner than my house ever gets.
 
In those newsreels, both homes are destroyed, but the trashy home is destroyed a few seconds quicker than the tidy home, because there is less trash inside to start internal combustion.
 
Makes you wonder about the relative quality of government information we get now.

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From: Jan53Sent: 12/31/2008 8:01 PM
I'd say the 50's were great...........because I was still a child. I played outside until (and sometimes after) dark, could walk quite a distance safely by myself to a friends house, and miles on Halloween. I played with dolls and played " 'tend like" (pretend) with Elvis as my husband LOL! Shooting marbles, playing tag and hop-scotch. Great times! Endless summer days. Didn't even THINK (or know) about sex until I was 10+ and my Mom had "the talk" with me. Then I dismissed it as something I'd do when I grew up and got married (tho I didn't wait for the latter , I was 18)
 
Pikes, you made me think of '61 and the Bay of Pigs. Scary times. Duck and cover, LOL! Go to your home bathroom, run water in the tub, take in your box of food and stuff towels around the door for safety.  My how innocent (or ignorant) we were. The government didn't tell us that what you really needed to do in addition to the above: Stick your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye!

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From: MSN Nicknameoskar576nLadySent: 12/31/2008 8:12 PM
60s and 70s were good times as were the late 90s up to the present. The rest is either a blur or blah.

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From: MSN NicknameJoethree56Sent: 12/31/2008 11:24 PM
I was born in 1940 so the 50s for me really covered my growing up. I came from a close knit extended family who were well to the left politically and where such issues were discussed and debated whenever my dad and my uncles got together so I grew up politically aware. There was a sense of purpose about the things happening at that time as we had just got our National Health service, a new education policy and the coal mines had been nationalised. As I came from a family of miners this was a real cause for celebration as it had been their union policy since WW1.
Life in the village went on much as it had during the earlier war years except that there was now a few less shortages and with the modest prosperity brought about by the rebuilding of the country, a few 'luxury goods' were making their way into peoples homes.
Wages were not very high. In fact the earning potential was probably a bit less than in the late war years but under the pre war Socialist government the price controls on food staples was maintained and this combined with the 'social furniture' of the welfare state made life for the average blue collar worker a littles less fraught than anything that had gone before.
A tremendous setback to our progress to prosperity was the demand by the USA that we repay the war loans as all our government's plans for rebuilding and renewal as well as our Health scheme was pivotal upon us having time to bring them to fruition and suddenly the calling in the loans left us with nothing but a lot of belt tightening or the abandonment of the ambitious plans. It is to immense credit of that Socialist government elected as it was by a landslide on the policy of change that they kept faith. It did mean though that the 50s were a lot more austere than they might have been and even resulted in food rationing being kept in place longer than would otherwise have been justified.
For me personally though going to Secondary school in 1951 was exciting and stimulating as there were new subjects like science, woodwork and metalwork. It was an all boys school as was normal at that time and all the teachers were male. Most of these had returned to teaching having had a career break to sort Hitler out. They were good tough no nonsense types who believed in what they were doing. They demanded respect as the right of their position and we accorded it in the same manner.
I enjoyed School but circumstances were such that I left on my 15th birthday and went to work at the local coal mine where I subsequently became an apprentice Mechanical engineer.
Looking back on the 50s they were happy times with little money but with all of us being in the same boat. The twice weekly youth club, the cinema, local swimming baths and Saturday night Hops were the usual entertainment. The mode of transport was the bicycle or the bus. The cycling club was a very popular feature and the Sunday afternoon club runs to local beauty spots was for many of us the high spot of the weekend. This was very much a social thing as we would meet other clubs at these destinations and the stage was set for some friendly competitive ball games and in a fair number of cases romance courtship and marriage.
One thing lay over our teenage lives like a black shadow. this was two years compulsory service in the armed forces. At age 18 you were drafted. If you were an apprentice or in full time education this was deferred until the end of your training. The end result was that when you at long last had a chance to start earning you were owned by the state for two years.
I have tried here to give a personal view where on balance It was a good time. Were I to give a hindsight view from here and now it would look very different because I would mention the class distinctions and snobbery. The censorship of the arts and the dead hand of an unholy alliance of the 'great and the good' and the church to preserve the status quo. This status quo in fact was already dying when Hitler invaded Poland and by 1950 was a desperate attempt by the usual suspects to preserve what they felt should be theirs as of right. But We Teens were too busy gently shoving at the cultural walls for us to notice.

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From: Jan53Sent: 1/1/2009 12:24 AM
Oh yeah, oskar.....the '60s with free love and "everbody must get stoned".  the 70's cover most of my highschool. Economy was still good and I was having a great time. Wish I had appreciated it more.

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From: MSN Nicknameoskar576nLadySent: 1/1/2009 2:14 AM
I never got married until 1980. Separated in '87. Divorced in '89.

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From: MSN NicknameBellelettresSent: 1/1/2009 11:57 AM
Thanks for that perspective from England, Joe. So you repaid your war loans to us so that we could rebuild Germany and Japan? Did you finance the Marshall Plan?
 
By the late 60s, though, England swung, didn't it (like a pendulum)? Was it as late as the 90s that class distinctions began to break down? I ask because a friend of mine from England who has lived here since the 50s said sometime in the 90s that she had been "home" and noticed that class distinctions were fading.

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