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From: MSN NicknameJoethree56  (Original Message)Sent: 8/23/2008 12:06 AM

The following is the notes to a talk I gave to the womens institute a couple of years ago. It has I think bearings on what Noserose was asking about ones roots.

WI Talk

In 1951 I started school at Welbeck road secondary school here in Bolsover. Part of our inception consisted of the usual pep talk by a member of the staff. Sat in a prefabricated classroom on a gloomy September day I can recall very little of what was said. However. I do remember the teacher saying that we could become whatever we wanted to become

This struck me as being the first big lie to be peddled in the new school. Having just been dubbed failures by the eleven plus selection system this idea rang particularly hollow.

To illustrate his point the teacher directed our attention to an old man working outside on the school field.

"Now for example, would any of you imagine that the man out there had written a book?"

No, we would not.

He was shabbily dressed and doing a labouring job.

We all knew that authors were posh and rich and certainly did not toil in the outdoors with wheelbarrow and spade.

It must have stuck in my mind though, for a year or two later I was talking with a girl when the topic came up. She claimed to have read the book and I asked her opinion of it.

"Boring." She said. And that was the end of that.

For one who usually pursues his own agenda, I must have been deeply petticoat smitten because it was to be over forty more years before I read that book and the others by that same author.

No doubt some of you are much more enlightened than I was and have read these books. For the others can I introduce you to a little of the life and works Of Bolsover’s own Bard Mr. Fred Kitchen.

Fred was born at around the turn of the century and his life spanned the two great disruptions of the two World Wars when political and social changes where whirling and swirling throughout the world. He makes very little mention of this however. As a farm worker he was in a way, insulated from such events.

This does not mean he was insulated from life though, far from it. Important though the Great War was, its impact on the population left at home was not so great as we at a distance might imagine.

In the era of proper horse power the combined efforts of man and beast were the means of feeding the nation. And labour shortages and relative prosperity were the main home consequences of that war.

It does mean though that his style of writing is by our present day standards, a little old fashioned.

This for me does not detract from what fred has to say but in fact gives a sense of time and place.

Here is an extract from his autobiography "Brother To The OX"

 

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My parents were Methodists and we were brought with strict regard for the Sabbath. There was no Nonconformist place of worship nearer than two miles, so we usually went to the private chapel belonging to the House. But sometimes, as a special treat, an annivesary, or thanksgiving, dad and mother would take us to the village chapel. We were always dressed very respecable on Sundays. How mother did it on seventeen shillings a week is one of those mysteries that no mother can solve these days. She was one of the old school, whose life was a constant endeavour to make ends meet-ends that were too wide apart ever to make a straight and lasting joint. Gentle and devoted, she worshipped the virtue of respectabi1ity.Dad and mother walked in front, he carrying a walkingstick and wearing a well-brushed black coat with two large buttons shining in the rear. Mother wore a black bonnet, tied under her chin and all shiny beads nodding about on top. My three sisters and I walked respectfully behind, they With long pigtails hanging down, and I wearing a round pork-pie hat. It was a long two miles, with flowers all the way, which we could not gather on account of its being Sunday. Neither did we blackour boots before setting out; that was another sin action to perform on the Sabbath. It was my duty every Saturday morning, before going out to play to black six pairs of Sunday boots and put them away in the bottom cupboard. There was no skipping them, either; if they weren’t shiny enough they had to be cleaned over again.

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His father was a cowman on a country estate in North Nottinghamshire and life was tough but happy. One of the beauties of reading Fred’s writings is his ability to paint a picture which the reader can see even over this distance in time. from Brother To The OX" again.

On the Saturday before Christmas I used to go with mother to help carry home the Christmas beef. A fat beast was cut up in the coach-house down by the stables, and each workman and his wife were given two pounds of beef each, and every child was given one pound. In addition, loaves of bread were given out, and a merry Christmas it made in a large family. The stable-yard was a quiet sort of place as a rule, sacred to the hunters and their grooms. But on this day a lad might peep down the long line of stables without fear of the fat rosy-faced coachman ordering him off. The stable-yard was a big square place with stables and offices all round it. Over the Stables were the ‘bothies �?the coachman’s and grooms�?quarters. To reach these you climbed a winding stone stairway and went along side corridors where your boots echoed like a regiment of foot. The whole place seemed to me capable of housing a regiment of cavalry, horse and man. In my childish fancy I likened it to the courtyard at Torquilstone in Ivanhoe, with knights in armour clattering over the stone setts. Over all was the pleasant smell of dead horse-chestnut leaves and stable litter. I can smell it now as I write about it.

Here is world so near and yet so far from our own. A world where the ‘big house�?was pivotal to peoples fortunes and misfortunes. The beauty is that the mature Fred kitchen can transport us back to these days when as a boy he savoured the other delights of Christmas

 

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While on about Christmas, I ought to mention Christmas Eve at the farm bailiff’s.We were; invited into the farm kitchen on Christmas eve to watch the mummers and the Derby tup. The mummers daubed their faces with lamp-black,red raddle, or chalk. They were dressed up to represent nothing on earth, which isn’t to say they looked heavenly. The more face-powder they had used the more inclined were they to kiss the maids under the mistletoe. Then the Derby tup came with one of the lads crouching under a sheep’s skin carrying an ugly staring sheep’s head. A play was enacted involving variou strange characters and finally the slaughter of the Tup They then sang a long rigmarole about this wonderful Tup beginning:

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As I was going to Derby

All on a market day

I met the finest tup, sir,

That ever was fed on hay.

It went on for about a dozen verses, but singers, suffering from much refreshment take many calls, would get mixed up with the verses that the bailiff had to send for the jug to prevent them singing all night. After the tup had disappeared with his grisly head the grown-ups sat by the fire drinking and singing to the melodeon.

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The women sipped cowslip wine in a sort of genteel way, but the men gulped down strong ale as though they meant it. We children joined in the songs. played snapdragon and bob-apple, until the party broke up at about ten o’clock with many exclamations on the lateness of the hour.

I will leave Fred’s autobiography with two more snippets. Here is the first�?/P>

 

 

Sometimes, during the winter, life would be brightened by a magic-lantern night. This was a great do and was held in the miller’s corn-chamber as our tiny schoolroom was not large enough for a crowd. This was a long chamber, hung with dusty cobwebs, and to reach it you climbed twelve worn Stone Steps. I know there were twelve because every one counted them, either aloud or mentally, when descending into the darkness. Then, after crossing the rickety footbridge over the beck, it was pretty good going all the way home.

Fred was destined to be apprenticed to a joiner in Worksop who was a distant relation of theirs. Things were to change

By the one tragic event described here in his own words

Well, that was the shape of my life until I was eleven: secluded and highly respectable, and the same sort of life was known to every cottage on the estate. Every cottage had the stamp of respectability about it A church calendar and a case of Stuffed animals or birds were to be found in every household. I knew every house by its glasscasebetter than I knew the owner’s name. There was the Cottage with the fox over the dresser; the one with the brown owl over the chimney piece; another with an otter carrying a trout; the keepers lodge with the pheasant.

In fact every one seemed to have a stuffed specimen of some kind, and my soul revolted at the sight of them I might have grown up a prig or a Puritan if my father had not been taken bad with diabetes. Before I was twelve he died and with his passing went my chances of being 'put to something'. I was glad t take the first job that turned up, to help my mother in her struggle to keep the pot boiling.

When I studied history many ago I discovered that it has, in the past, always been the great and the good of the world who were literate and therefore left records of their opinions Because of this most of our history is of their doings and from their view of the word. All historians crave hearing the voices of the common man and this one book is a wonderful insight into a world that had disappeared even before my boredom in that classroom mentioned earlier.

Brother to the ox is not the only book written by Fred.

There are in Bolsover library, six of his works. All of these were published between 1940 and 1947 All carry the common theme of the countryside although from differing viewpoints. since starting on this project I have turned up evidence of two more. I went on the internet and to the website of an American second hand bookshop, typed Fred Kitchen into search and sure enough it yeilded results including copies of the two books i knew nothing about.

Fred was concious of his strengths and weaknesses as a writer and was careful to avoid the trap of stepping outside his knowledge.

Here is one of his poems where he makes just that point.

L’ENVOI

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HE tipped his last barrow of muck

On the muck-hill beyond the door,

For he smelt in the wind, that his luck,

Blew from where it had not been before.

He wiped the last bit from his boots,

And his leggings he used for a mat,

He left the cow chewing her roots,

And went in for writing and that.

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Editors came flocking around,

And he wrote like a poet inspired,

For such wisdom was not to be found

Since the day when Shakespeare retired.

But he found that his cows did possess

A subtle endearment of charm,

And his writings, to be a success

Must never go far from the farm.

So a trifle of soil on his boots

Still lingers to help him along,

And to watch a cow chewing her roots

Inspires him to break into song.

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This is from a collection of verse and short essays with the title ‘Song of Sherwood. This is a late publication and to my ear has not quite the freshness of his earlier work. but please read it for yourself as there are some gems in there.



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From: MSN NicknameJoethree56Sent: 8/23/2008 12:11 AM
Part two
One of his books that I particulartly loved was. ‘Life on the land�? This was published a year after his autobiography and is a fictional account of a year in The life of a farm and a village.

Here is a little from the final pages of ‘Life on the Land�?/P>

 

ONCE AGAIN it is New Year’s Eve. Mr and Mrs Shep have dropped in to sit out the old year with Joss and the missus.

‘Some folk,�?said Joss, ‘let in the new year by bringing in a log of wood; and some let it in wi�?acorkscrew. We’ll try both, Shep, lad.�?And he pressed a corkscrew into a bottle of whisky.Just before midnight the two men stepped outside. The sky was full of stars. Neither of them spoke a word. They just stood gazing upwards. A breeze touched their thin locks, for both stood bareheaded as though the entry of a new year demanded that respect. Suddenly the bells rang out, and the pit hooters blared into the silent night. Joss held out his hand, and the two old friends shook hands. Then they picked up a log of wood laid in readiness beforehand, and going indoors to their womenfolk, they threw it on the dying embers.‘A happy new year, Bella, lass,�?said Mrs Joss. Old Bella, smiling till her bright eyes twinkled like the stars outside, thanked her and said she ‘knowed it were goin�?to be a happy new year for all of ‘em.’‘You ‘ye no call to ‘urry away, Bella, lass,�?said the missus, as Bella made preparations for going home. ‘The Lad ain’t come in yet. There ‘s a party on at Gosmore’s, and ‘e said it might be late afore they broke up.’I’ll lay ‘e ‘s getten lost bringin�?oor Sally home,�?/FONT>said Joss.At that precise moment the Lad and Sally were only fifty yards away. The Lad was under the spell of the wonder of it, for he had just walked home all the way from the village with Sally hanging on his arm. They stopped by the yard gate.‘Hasn’t it been grand?�?whispered Sally, squeezing his arm.It‘s the best do I ‘ever ever beento,

.’‘How quiet you are all of a sudden . . . what ‘sgot you?�?/P>

‘You ‘ye got me, Sally. I . . . I never thought you‘d walk arm-in-arm with me.�?/P>

‘Silly. I‘ve always liked you . . . better than anybody.�?/P>

‘And I I’ve always liked you better na�?anybody.�?/P>

‘Better than our Nora, eh?�?asked Sally, peeping up into his face.

‘She‘s not half as nice as you, Sally.�?/P>

‘I don’t know. You haven’t seen as much of her as of me.

‘Haven’t I though!�?said the Lad, as that grin of his crept over his face.

"Course you haven’t. But I‘m glad you like me, ‘cos I’ve always wanted you . . . only I . . . I couldn’t tell you so, could I?�?/P>

‘I can’t hardly believe it, Sally.�?/P>

They stood silent for a while, with the midnight stars staring down on them. Presently Sally spoke.

‘Do you remember that Sunday when you were poorly and I came into your bedroom?�?/P> <DIR>

"Course I do. And you were crying, Sally.�?

‘And . . . and I gave you a kiss, didn’t I?�?/P>

She didn’t need to say more.

 

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Much of the writing is in the form of what might be called essays. Short descriptive pieces about this or that aspect of

Agricultural life and give a lovely insight into the past. Jesse and friends for instance is all about and man who works as a ditcher and hedger.

His ‘Friends�?are the creatures he encounters in his day to day work. here is An introduction to Jesse

HEDGEROW INHABITANTS

IT ‘s a dull job digging a ditch, unless one has the temperament of Jesse. He sees the bottom of a ditch, not as a dreary mess of decayed vegetation, but as a busy channel of commerce for his many friends.

He isn’t lonesome, either, for as he cuts down the monstrous burdocks that line the bank a small flock of green linnets come to feast on the seeds-quite unconcerned about the man with sickle and spade, who is apparently too busy to notice their presence.

Following him along comes one solitary robin, searching for the insects which Jesse’s spade has laid bare.

Soon, he found the traffic marks of Brock, the badger, running along the ditch bottom. And, further along, he came across the remains of a half-eaten rat.

He tried to connect the tragedy with Brock’s footprints, but it seemed unlikely that Brock would eat a rat. He would have much preferred the half-dozen beetles that were trying to give the corpse a decent burial.

Out they had to come, beetles, rat, weeds, and sediment, to be slung on to the bank-and whether or not it ‘s a loathsome sight to see half a dozen beetles burying a rat depends on how you view a ditch.

To Jesse the ditch was a busy traffic way for a host of travellers.

At noon he sat on the bank, eating his dinner in the October sunshine. And, as he ate, his eyes took in each detail of the opposite bank and hedge.

A broad yellow leaf of bryony hung down from the hedge, and across its surface a hairy caterpillar was making slow and laborious progress.

It hadn’t got half way across, and as Jesse watched, a tiny spider-not much larger than a pin head-swung itself down from somewhere above. It dropped on the caterpillar, and darted back up above. Up and down it went on an invisible rope, until it was no longer invisible, and Jesse could see the guy ropes of the spider’s web.

The caterpillar continued its progress for a while, and it looked as though its big, bulky body would easily break through such slender ropes.

But, as Jesse watched, its pace-which had been always very slow-slackened still further. It reared its head, and tried to work itself forward-but stuck.

It found the slender guy ropes, and began hauling itself up. Then the little spider got really busy.

Up, down, and across he darted like a weaver’s shuttle; and, in half a minute, the helpless caterpillar was in a mesh of lines with only its head working slowly from side to side.

The spider paused from his labours, and it looked as though he were contemplating lunch.

It was then the robin came hopping along. Jesse turned his gaze from the spider and watched him search for a few

bread-crumbs. But Robin wasn’t really interested in breadcrumbs to-day.

He turned his bright eye hedgewards, made a quick hop

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‘Well, I ‘m blowed,�?commented Jesse. ‘All that trouble for nowt~�?/P>

There is no false sentimentality with Fred. Farm animals are either food providers or beasts of burden and part of the machinery of wresting a living from the land. Wild creatures and farm animals though are all accorded their place in his world.

Some the anecdotes give good insights into this relationship and into the wrinkles and dodges employed to rescue what look like hopeless situations.

So we read about wiles of these farmers and farmworkers in such things as getting a cow to adopt an orphan calf and of curing a horse of kicking . all of them are told with the same gentle good humour and sometimes with a descriptive style that is near poetry. here is

Taming the colt

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HE had come in the early spring-a raw, untamed colt.

The white of his eye had held a challenge as the crupper and bits wcre being fitted on, and he champed the keys that hung in his mouth, defiantly, determined not to barter his freedom for the sake of the few oats that rewarded servitude.

Sulkily he had walked a few paces until he felt the lines tighten on his jaw, when he had bucked and reared, fought the air with his Fore-legs and resisted with all his power the pull of the lines that were to bind him a slave to man.

There was something magnificent in this stubborn resistance, as he stood with legs firmly planted, his coat rough and shaggy, his mane and tail all rags and tatters, his neck arched until his nose was between his forelegs.

And Bill just hung on to the lines, talking and coaxing, until the colt came to like the sound of his voice, and began to understand the meaning of�?Whoa�?and ‘Oop, lad.�?/P>

His next step in being tamed was when plough-chains were slung over his back, and coupled to a staid old plough-horse he took his first lesson in chain work.

The clink of chains filled him with nervous terror, and once again he bucked and reared, trying to escape. But the old plough-horse plodded along-quite indifferent to the mad antics of the colt, holding him back from his headlong rush, and dragging him along when he sulkily hung back.

After letting off steam for a while, he quietened down sufficiently to become aware of Bill’s voice somewhere in the background.

His ears began to twitch, the white of his eye lost its defiant glint, and he began to have an understanding that where Bill’s voice was there was nothing for a colt to get alarmed over.

Then one day it seemed as though he must lose confidence even in Bill. Chains had been startling enough, but now he felt the roller shafts bumping his sides, and nearly went frantic with terror.

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He tried to kick, and he tried to bolt, as the roller went over hard clods, causing the shafts fairly to bounce against his ribs, but the old horse in front plodded indifferently on, stopping each mad rush before it could fairly start.

But worse than all else was Bill. Bill-whose voice he had come to rely on as a safeguard against any terror-was now leading him over the roughest clods for the express purpose of making him ‘feel the bumping shafts.�?/P>

At last Bill stopped for a breather, and the colt, all ‘used up,�?stood with muscles quivering and sweat streaming.

He rubbed his sweated nostrils on Bill’s sleeve, and listened once again to Bill’s voice calling him a ‘good fellow.�?/P>

Now he is in the potato field-a sober, hard-working plough-horse. And, as he follows behind the pickers along the row, he stretches out his neck begging for favours.

He enjoys this working along with the potato gang. He knows that one or other of the women is sure to offer him a potato, which he takes off their open palm with his soft flexible mouth. And as he grinds the potato, he nods his head in satisfaction.

He loves potatoes, the sound of human voices, and the comfortable feeling of shafts against his broad sides-and only last spring he was a raw untamed colt!

 

And now to mention the book my girlfriend of so long ago dubbed ‘boring�?This has the very dull title of ‘settlers in England�?and tells of Freds venture into small holding under the Oxcroft land settlement scheme. Although set up as a ‘back to the land project�?for unemployed industrial workers in the early 1930s, by the time of the second world war, Farm workers were being encouraged to take such holding to boost the nations food production. Settlers is a journal of Freds adventures and misadventures too, because as he ruefully explains in the book although having worked on the land all his life there was very little connection between farming and market gardening with regard to the techniques and skills required. His style of writing is by now more mature but a still a little stilted by todays standards especially at the beginning but soon he settles down to do as he always does. Tell a good tale. Here is a snippet

 

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A seed drill being needed for only a few days during the year, it has not been deemed advisable to burden each holding with the expense of buying a separate drill-one drill sufficing for some half-dozen holdings. Consequently, every one wants the use of the drill at the same time, and equally so, no one knows exactly where the drill is to be found. It ‘s very much a matter of opinion whether one drill or twenty would be cheaper, but personally, I think this ‘quest of the drill�?a splendid arrangement. Most of the tenants have a tendency to isolate themselves on their own particular holdings, and though good neighbours, never seem to step aside for half an hour’s gossip. But, hunting up the seed drill does the trick, and though half a day may be lost running it to earth, the chase has been worth while. The first and inevitable question is:

How ‘s tomatoes?�?which entails an inspection of the neighbour’s greenhouse. This is followed by an inspection of the neighbour ‘s pigs and any other animal or plant that

merits inspection. the searcher having admired and pronounced on his friends stock, asks, as if just making conversation "Got any seed drille yet"

‘No. But I mu�?be after the drill afore long. Now, let me see, who did I see drilling yesterday?�?He stares vacantly at his goats skipping in the sunshine, as though they might supply the answer, and then replies: ‘It wer�?owd Harry.�?/P>

‘Urn! I might just call along of owd Harry and see if he ‘s finished wi�?it, I ‘ye a bit o�?ground ready misel�?where I thought to drill carrots.�?/P>

‘Right! Then I ‘II come along in the morn, if you ‘ye finished, and use it after you.�?/P>

So the morning passes pleasantly away. The drill is not at Harry’s, having wandered further along, but this

along with the latest news from the battle front occupy the time until Harry’s wife announces dinner, and the hunter of drills hastens his search, and runs his quarry to earth in time for his own delayed dinner. To some this might seem like waste of time, but time is never wasted when exchanging views with a neighbour; and to a newcomer, an hour spent with these experienced and capable settlers can be more productive of good than a whole morning spent in uncertainty in his own holding.

Settlers in England is enjoyable on a number of levels. as a social history that is is still quite close to us but far enough away to remind us of aspects of life of that time that we have forgotten.

It is also a description of a social experiment written by one who was at the sharp end. But most all it is a good entertaining read. Fred loved the land and his lifes invovement in its cultivation, but he sees it realistically for what it was. A hard if satisfying life. Some of his social observations can be so sharp as to be almost satirical yet throughout his good humour shines through.

I hope in this talk I have aroused some of your interests in this mans writing

For the people who are already familiar with him. I hope you feel I have done him justice.

I will finish with Fred’s own words

THE PLOUGHMAN

Slow of speech and slow of tread

Steward of our daily bread;

Whose rank on earth is little heeded

Until his measure ‘s sorely needed;

Blest are the steps whose walk doth bring

Life and health to clown and king.

Happy the mind whose scope and sphere

Are bounded by the encircling year,

Whose wit it is to understand

The measurement of crops and land,

Whose only spur toward ambition- To give his fellow men nutrition.

Go, ploughman~ and with mind content,

Follow the humble implement

Whose only aim is, giving life,

Nor may be turned to means of strife,

And may sweet dreams at night entice

To plough thee fields in Paradise,

thank you


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From: MSN NicknameTreeCityRose1Sent: 8/23/2008 1:20 AM
Joe I hate to say I think I have to agree with the G/F, I think I would be bored reading an entire book of this....And I am a little confused about the teacher using this man as an "Example" was she saying you could do what ever you wanted , but in the end you would end up right back there not as a teacher, principle etc. but the janitor/grounds keeper?