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From: MSN NicknameLoretta12  (Original Message)Sent: 2/20/2002 6:54 AM

Suicide - Depression

Depression is the main cause of suicide, and depression is brought on by Satan.

Satan wants nothing more than to steal your joy, destroy your life, and kill you.

One of the easiest and best for him is to get you depressed over something, anything, so he can convince you to take your life.

It may be just a wandering thought, but it can be deadly. You may not think you are attractive enough, or smart enough, or loved. Then you start to dwell on it, and think about it all the time. Soon you are depressed and on an express elevator to death.

I have had depression before, and most likely will again. We all even think of suicide, but what is really so bad to want to die?

We are overweight or old, or to young, these are all lies. It is not the outward person that is beautiful, it is what is inside. I married once for the outside and guess what, she was not even pretty. Then again for the inside and she always was beautiful, in and out.

No matter what, we always have the Father to talk to and He will always lead you to the one He has for you.

OK, so it is finances.

Poor finances have done almost as much damage to relationships as drought has to crops. Yes, finances can be a tough one, not knowing who is calling, and what they can or can not do to you legally, if or when you might lose your home, or car. These all can drive most people to drink or worse.

Think about it, if they took all you owned from you, would that be all that bad? You could start over, yes you can, people do it all the time and so can you. What ever you have done once you can do again. If they take it all, then you owe nothing and you are free and clear. Due to debt we are not free, we can not just take off as we want sometimes. If you are free and clear you can. So this time around make sure you do it without as much debt to stay as free and clear as you can. If you really think about it, you will not starve or go without a roof. There are plenty of shelters or family members that will let you sleep there and feed you. I know this is not the same as your own home and your own food, but you will not starve. Believe it or not, the bill collectors can not come and shoot you, and in some cases are very limited to what they can take. So think about it, look for the positives and avoid the negatives as much as possible.

Relationship gone sour, yes that can be bad. In my first marriage I was in the hospital in surgery as my wife was in court divorcing me, and she would not bring my kids (2 and 4 years old) to see me and I was in the hospital for 2 years.

But, you know what? She was not the one God wanted for me, or she never would hve left me. Afterwards God lead me to the woman He had for me and as much as I thought back then I would not survive without my first wife, I am now that much and more in love with my present wife of 15 years.

The point is that in every storm comes a cleansing, a time when the storm ends and the sun shines. The same is for us, as long as we hold on to God He will guides us through the storms of life and help us make it through it all.

 

Mark 4

  1. And when they had sent away the multitude, they took him even as he was in the ship. And there were also with him other little ships.
  2. And there arose a great storm of wind, and the waves beat into the ship, so that it was now full.
  3. And he was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow: and they awake him, and say unto him, Master, carest thou not that we perish?
  4. And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.

40. And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith?

  1. And they feared exceedingly, and said one to another, What manner of man is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?

Here are two good examples of storms, the first notice the storm did not even wake Jesus.

No matter what storm is in your life and how bad it seems, you have faith, use it.

Matthew 14

  1. But the ship was now in the midst of the sea, tossed with waves: for the wind was contrary.

25. And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.

  1. And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.
  2. But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.
  3. And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.
  4. And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.
  5. But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.
  6. And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?

32. And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased.

Here we see Peter starts to use his faith and walk on water until he takes his eyes off Jesus and looks on the surroundings. That is our problem more often than not; we look at the world around us or our problems and forget who is still in control (GOD).

Mark 11

  1. And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.

22. And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.

  1. For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
  2. Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
  3. And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
  4. But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

 

If you believe in God and have the faith of a mustard seed (meaning very small, but never doubting) you can do all of the above.

You have the choice, but remember you have friends here at churches.com. No, we are not here 24 hours a day. But someone is always popping in and out of the chat room, and I am here Monday - Friday 8 AM cst to 5PM.

If nothing else there are Bible studies, jokes, and don't forget God is with you always.

Matthew 20

  1. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


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From: MSN NicknameLoretta12Sent: 2/21/2002 3:01 AM
if you are thinking about
suicide... read this first

If you are feeling suicidal now, please stop long enough to read this. It will only take about five minutes. I do not want to talk you out of your bad feelings. I am not a therapist or other mental health professional - only someone who knows what it is like to be in pain.

I don’t know who you are, or why you are reading this page. I only know that for the moment, you’re reading it, and that is good. I can assume that you are here because you are troubled and considering ending your life. If it were possible, I would prefer to be there with you at this moment, to sit with you and talk, face to face and heart to heart. But since that is not possible, we will have to make do with this.

I have known a lot of people who have wanted to kill themselves, so I have some small idea of what you might be feeling. I know that you might not be up to reading a long book, so I am going to keep this short. While we are together here for the next five minutes, I have five simple, practical things I would like to share with you. I won’t argue with you about whether you should kill yourself. But I assume that if you are thinking about it, you feel pretty bad.

Well, you’re still reading, and that’s very good. I’d like to ask you to stay with me for the rest of this page. I hope it means that you’re at least a tiny bit unsure, somewhere deep inside, about whether or not you really will end your life. Often people feel that, even in the deepest darkness of despair. Being unsure about dying is okay and normal. The fact that you are still alive at this minute means you are still a little bit unsure. It means that even while you want to die, at the same time some part of you still wants to live. So let’s hang on to that, and keep going for a few more minutes.


Start by considering this statement:

“Suicide is not chosen; it happens
when pain exceeds
resources for coping with pain.�?

That’s all it’s about. You are not a bad person, or crazy, or weak, or flawed, because you feel suicidal. It doesn’t even mean that you really want to die - it only means that you have more pain than you can cope with right now. If I start piling weights on your shoulders, you will eventually collapse if I add enough weights... no matter how much you want to remain standing. Willpower has nothing to do with it. Of course you would cheer yourself up, if you could.

Don’t accept it if someone tells you, “that’s not enough to be suicidal about.�?There are many kinds of pain that may lead to suicide. Whether or not the pain is bearable may differ from person to person. What might be bearable to someone else, may not be bearable to you. The point at which the pain becomes unbearable depends on what kinds of coping resources you have. Individuals vary greatly in their capacity to withstand pain.

When pain exceeds pain-coping resources, suicidal feelings are the result. Suicide is neither wrong nor right; it is not a defect of character; it is morally neutral. It is simply an imbalance of pain versus coping resources.

You can survive suicidal feelings if you do either of two things: (1) find a way to reduce your pain, or (2) find a way to increase your coping resources. Both are possible.

Now I want to tell you five things to think about.


1

You need to hear that people do get through this -- even people who feel as badly as you are feeling now. Statistically, there is a very good chance that you are going to live. I hope that this information gives you some sense of hope.

2

Give yourself some distance. Say to yourself, “I will wait 24 hours before I do anything.�?Or a week. Remember that feelings and actions are two different things - just because you feel like killing yourself, doesn’t mean that you have to actually do it right this minute. Put some distance between your suicidal feelings and suicidal action. Even if it’s just 24 hours. You have already done it for 5 minutes, just by reading this page. You can do it for another 5 minutes by continuing to read this page. Keep going, and realize that while you still feel suicidal, you are not, at this moment, acting on it. That is very encouraging to me, and I hope it is to you.

3

People often turn to suicide because they are seeking relief from pain. Remember that relief is a feeling. And you have to be alive to feel it. You will not feel the relief you so desperately seek, if you are dead.

4

Some people will react badly to your suicidal feelings, either because they are frightened, or angry; they may actually increase your pain instead of helping you, despite their intentions, by saying or doing thoughtless things. You have to understand that their bad reactions are about their fears, not about you.

But there are people out there who can be with you in this horrible time, and will not judge you, or argue with you, or send you to a hospital, or try to talk you out of how badly you feel. They will simply care for you. Find one of them. Now. Use your 24 hours, or your week, and tell someone what’s going on with you. It is okay to ask for help. Try:

  • Send an anonymous e-mail to The Samaritans
  • Call 1-800-SUICIDE in the U.S.
  • Teenagers, call Covenant House NineLine, 1-800-999-9999
  • Look in the front of your phone book for a crisis line
  • Call a psychotherapist
  • Carefully choose a friend or a minister or rabbi, someone who is likely to listen

But don’t give yourself the additional burden of trying to deal with this alone. Just talking about how you got to where you are, releases an awful lot of the pressure, and it might be just the additional coping resource you need to regain your balance.

5

Suicidal feelings are, in and of themselves, traumatic. After they subside, you need to continue caring for yourself. Therapy is a really good idea. So are the various self-help groups available both in your community and on the Internet.

Well, it’s been a few minutes and you’re still with me. I’m really glad.

Since you have made it this far, you deserve a reward. I think you should reward yourself by giving yourself a gift. The gift you will give yourself is a coping resource. Remember, back up near the top of the page, I said that the idea is to make sure you have more coping resources than you have pain. So let’s give you another coping resource, or two, or ten...! until they outnumber your sources of pain.

Now, while this page may have given you some small relief, the best coping resource we can give you is another human being to talk with. If you find someone who wants to listen, and tell them how you are feeling and how you got to this point, you will have increased your coping resources by one. Hopefully the first person you choose won’t be the last. There are a lot of people out there who really want to hear from you. It’s time to start looking around for one of them.

Now: I’d like you to call someone.

And while you’re at it, you can still stay with me for a bit. Check out these sources of online help.

Additional things to read at this site:

  • How serious is our condition? ...“he only took 15 pills, he wasn’t really serious...�?if others are making you feel like you’re just trying to get attention... read this.

  • Why is it so hard for us to recover from being suicidal? ...while most suicidal people recover and go on, others struggle with suicidal thoughts and feelings for months or even years. Suicide and post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

  • Recovery from grief and loss ...has anyone significant in your life recently died? You would be in good company... many suicidal people have recently suffered a loss.

  • The stigma of suicide that prevents suicidal people from recovering: we are not only fighting our own pain, but the pain that others inflict on us... and that we ourselves add to. Stigma is a huge complicating factor in suicidal feelings.

  • Resources about depression ...if you are suicidal, you are most likely experiencing some form of depression. This is good news, because depression can be treated, helping you feel better.

Do you know someone who is suicidal... or would you like to be able to help, if the situation arises? Learn what to do, so that you can make the situation better, not worse.


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From: MSN Nicknameroyal_ruby0Sent: 2/6/2008 5:42 PM
bringing alot of this back up..at one point we all suffer depression and hurts..amen

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