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General : Low-Recoil shotgun shells by Royal
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From: MSN NicknameElGato196  (Original Message)Sent: 11/14/2008 2:36 AM
I had the pleasure of using some of these rounds on the 12th of November and they were a joy to shoot! It was amazing how the low recoil improved my aim. Without the fear of the jerk and pain a normal round would cause, I didn't flinch at all. I highly recommend their use to avoid the discomfort of using a shoulder pad. I give it a  review!


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From: MSN NicknameMasterGunner01Sent: 11/14/2008 1:16 PM
Using lighter recoiling loads is good when the shooter may have a physical problem or doesn't enjoy getting beaten-up by the recoil from standard or magnum loadings.  I haven't tried the CatMan's brand of reduced recoil loads, but he makes much sense in his recommendations.  The efficiency of the low recoil loads remains about the same as the standard loadings.  Another way to cut recoil is to use smaller length shotgun shells that have reduced shot size loadings and powder.
 
Aguila is producing some very interesting shotgun shells for use in your pump, over and under, side-by-side, or single-shot.  The Mini-shell is a reduced length (and recoil) loading (No.7-1/2 shot ) for birds or clays, and tactical (slug or combo -- 7 no. 4 buckshot and 4 no. 1 buckshot).  The advantage of the Mini-shell is shorter length -- 2 inches instead of 2-3/4 inches -- and that means at least one or more additional rounds in your magazine tube.  Shorter shells also mean less felt recoil.  Since engagement ranges with a shotgun aren't very long even with slugs (about 50 to 75 yards maximum), you shouldn't see much difference on the target.
 
Mini-shells don't suffer as much from the problem of over-penetration in a typical building to the extent a standard 2-3/4 inch shell loading does.  The only problem is whether your pet pump gun will feed the shorter Mini-shells reliably.  To know is to buy a box of the different loads and run them through your pump shotgun to check if it will feed the shorter rounds reliably.  Aguila's website has a list of pump guns that feed their shells reliably.  However, just because your shotgun isn't listed doesn't mean that it will or won't feed them.  That is revealed in real world testing.
 
Notice that the self-loading shotguns are not on the list.  Mini-shells typically won't work in a conventional self-loader.  They usually don't generate enough gas or recoil to work the action reliably and they may have feeding problems from the magazine. 
 
Mini-shells run about $18 for a box of 20.

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From: MSN NicknameElGato196Sent: 11/14/2008 4:09 PM
I looked up the specs for the mini-round and found that Mossbergs require elevator modifications (I have a Maverick Mdl 88). I don't know if it would be worth the cost of the modification.

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From: MSN Nicknamewolfsbane39Sent: 11/15/2008 1:29 AM
In the many decades of using a shotgun I have found the hitting power is directly related to the recoil by the weight of the throw.
 
I am willing to suffer discomfort if I know what I'm aiming at gets wacked hard...

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From: MSN NicknameElGato196Sent: 11/15/2008 4:49 AM
I am right handed, but my master eye is my left eye, so I have to shoot left handed. My left shoulder is also the one I broke in Vietnam and which was never set properly. It is very weak and tender. When shooting regular loads, I am required to use a shoulder pad. This is very uncomfortable and it also extends the length I must extend my right hand to securely hold the pump handle forward, making it awkward and again, uncomfortable. I haven't been in combat since 1971 so there's no reason to have to put up with it. I really like the low recoil rounds because I don't need to wear my pad and it's just me and 'Nonie' firing away!

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From: MSN NicknameMasterGunner01Sent: 11/15/2008 5:18 PM
You might want to contact Aguila through their website to ask what exactly the modifications to the shell lifter are (the Maverick 88 and the Mossberg 500 are the same except for the names).  I suspect that it is just some judicious work with a Dremel tool or a file and some polishing that's required.  Again, the folks at Aguila could be more specific. 
 
The modification should be inexpensive and -- this is a bonus -- you can now shoot both the standard and mini-shell loads through the same gun.  That's a good thing.

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 Message 7 of 12 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameElGato196Sent: 11/15/2008 7:56 PM
Gonna do that right now. Thanks MG!

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From: MSN NicknameriverChief6572Sent: 11/15/2008 9:12 PM
Catman
 
i mentioned this before
 
my shooting eye is my left eye
 
and im right handed
 
the answer is "the weaver stance"
 
look it up on google

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From: MSN NicknameElGato196Sent: 11/16/2008 12:11 PM
Chief, I remember what you said and I pay attention to what you say, but I'm talking shotgun here and aam required to shoot sitting supported when on the range. If I used 'Nonie' here at home, I'd be using whatever hold would work in my chair.

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From: MSN Nicknamewolfsbane39Sent: 11/16/2008 9:07 PM
El Gato...have you considered retraining your dominant eye to shift to your right. Can be done...requires a compete shift in your mind.
 
Also, on your shooting pad for left shoulder have you considered "fitting" your shotgun stock to your circumstances....Lenght of pull and drop at the heel.
You may enter a whole new world of shooting ease and accuracy.
Just my thoughts....in the future you may have need of full power loads.

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From: MSN NicknameriverChief6572Sent: 11/16/2008 9:41 PM
i wish we were closer catman
 
i could train you wheelchair or not
 
it is just "muscle memory"

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From: MSN NicknameElGato196Sent: 11/17/2008 1:50 AM
Ya knows, Chief? We wished ya lived 'round these here parts, too!

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