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Recommend  Message 1 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameBartonFinchley  (Original Message)Sent: 12/4/2008 3:28 AM
Opps   silent:  and it's MP
 
1C            1D
2NT         3C
 
I've always played the only non forcing bid over the 2nt was pass, so 3C would show a decent hand with club support.
 
 


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From: MSN Nicknamenbraun0411Sent: 12/4/2008 4:18 AM
I would play 3 clubs as checkback asking if partner has a 4 card major.

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Recommend  Message 3 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameBartonFinchleySent: 12/4/2008 7:02 AM
We play a walshish style, so if responder had a poor hand with a major he would of bid it at his first turn, and If he has a good hand with diamonds and a major he would just bid it himself over 2nt.

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Recommend  Message 4 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameHamada19521Sent: 12/4/2008 2:02 PM
Stayment

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Recommend  Message 5 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameTWOferBRIDGESent: 12/4/2008 2:49 PM
For those who play it as checkback, is there a good reason for Opener's 2NT-jump rebid instead of rebidding 1major as long as it is forcing to 1NT  ?
      One that I can think of is right-siding NT if that becomes the final contract.
      
      However, Barton's way would allow a 3C contract, whereas checkback gives that up.    [ As in many conventions, the Cl suit takes a back seat ] .

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From: MSN NicknameBill_Higgins1Sent: 12/4/2008 4:18 PM
re #5
There is a very good reason to not delay the 2N call. The message "my hand is balanced" is a critical one. If it were possible, the best strategy would be to have that message delivered in a single bid (but differentiating various ranges). Of course, we cannot devote that many bids to that purpose, but it is still important to get the message across as early in the auction as possible.
 
A 1M rebid should show a suit oriented hand and guarantee at least a 4 card club suit (many go further and claim that is shows a distributional hand and a 5 card club suit or some 4-4-4-1 hand).
 
Signing off in 3C is not worth a hill of beans. Use 3C as a checkback with as much similarity to the 1C 1M; 2N 3C checkbacks as possible (memory is a precious commodity).

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From: MSN NicknameBartonFinchleySent: 12/4/2008 6:08 PM
I'm not suggesting 3C as a sign off.  I'm suggesting it as a mild slam try:
 
1C        1D
2NT      3NT    6-10 or so
 
 
 
1C        1D
2NT      3C
cue         3NT   
 
 A good, possibly very good,  hand that was either just short of    a  game forcing 2c or perhaps had some reason to bid diamonds first..  Just because opener is balanced doesnt mean responder is.  Checkbck is unneccessary since responder can just bid the major himself showing a good hand probably 45 in the major and diamonds.

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Recommend  Message 8 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameBill_Higgins1Sent: 12/4/2008 9:04 PM
What would Garozzo do?
From Ambra (responders bids all preceded by ellipse):
1♣�?�?/FONT> 2N             18-20 balanced
        �?�?nbsp;         5+�?/FONT>, any strength, transfer
            3�?nbsp;      forced
              …P     6+�?/FONT> 4-5 HCP
              �?�?/FONT>    5+�?/FONT>-4�?/FONT> slammish
              �?�?nbsp;   5+�?/FONT>-4�?slammish
              �?N    5�?/FONT> slam try
              �?�?nbsp;   5+�?/FONT>-4+�?slam try
              �?�?/FONT>    6+�?/FONT> slammish
        �?�?/FONT>          4�?/FONT>-4�?/FONT> slam interest
        �?�?/FONT>          4�?/FONT>-4�?slam try
        �?�?nbsp;         4�?/FONT>-4�?slam try

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Recommend  Message 9 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknamePriorKnowledgeSent: 12/5/2008 5:34 PM
  1. I agree with OP. Any bid over 2N is forcing
  2. It can't be a weak club raise. If responder was so weak with long enuf clubs to want to run from 2N to 3C, then responder would have raised clubs to start.
  3. If responder had a big hand with club support, then responder would have made a strong club raise earlier
  4. Maybe it is possible that responder has a club raise hand for which their system has a "hole". Some play inverted raise is GF and jump raise is preemptive with the inbetween hands not having a bid.
  5. Maybe responder made a minor (hehe) misbid.
  6. In any case - treat the 3C as checkback stayman and bid 4-card major or raise diam or bid 3N

Anything but pass 


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Recommend  Message 10 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameBartonFinchleySent: 12/5/2008 6:10 PM
I'm thinking of hands like 2254 or 1264  they probably end up in 3nt most times anyway  but if opener has "real clubs" 3235 or some such they could reach slam.
 
I did butcher the bidding o the hand that brought this to mind .
 
NMF makes no sense to me if responder has a major he just bids it over 2nt.

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From: MSN NicknameTWOferBRIDGESent: 12/6/2008 12:00 PM
Part of the confusion is using "NMF" as checkback.
Because when the auction goes 1C - 1D - 2NT, there isn't a "new minor" available.
 
1D is responded for a reason ( below is from Max Hardy ) :
       a) tends to deny a 4cd Major ; if  there is a 4cd Major, it means longer D and opening hand ( game force ) values as well ( Barton's "Walshish" ) ;
 
      b) a 2-suited hand only if the 2nd suit is Clubs;
 
      c) a minimum hand which Responder feels is not compelling enough to bid 1NT;
 
  or d) a hand primarily one-suited in D.
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I propose the following Structure based on the above and Barton's viewpoint:
 
1C    -  1D ( Diam are bid for a reason over 1C )
2NT  -   ??
              pass ( c ) and ( d ) if minimum
               3C ( b ) 4+c and longer Diam, GF,  7+ hcp
               3D ( d ) just long Diam, GF
               3H ( a ) 4h and longer Diam, GF
               3S ( a ) 4s   "       "         "       "
               4C [ I would reserve as Gerber ]
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