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| | From:  testiestcat1 (Original Message) | Sent: 12/19/2008 3:53 PM |
Matchpoints, both sides vulnerable, as South you hold: S-AQJ865
H-94
D-K97
C-42 West North East South 3H 4D Pass ? What action do you take? |
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Hmm, I didn't think of the cuebid. Neither did the actual South. He took Wildflower's route. I was North. His reasoning was that it should be easier for him to make 10 tricks in spades than for me to make 11 tricks in diamonds. Since I didn't think that 4S was forcing, I passed and made pard happy. The happiness was short-lived. The full deal: Puritan Bridge Club Braintree MA
Session: Open Pairs Date: 12/17/2008 BD: 4 S-3
Dlr: W H-AT3
Vul: Both D-AT86542
C-K7
S-KT92 S-74
H-KQJ8765 H-2
D-3 D-QJ
C-8 C-AQJT9653
S-AQJ865
H-94
D-K97
C-42 If South had bid 4H like BL and TWOfer, I would have bid 5D, hoping to play it there in light of the thin overcall that I made. Do notice that East correctly kept his mouth shut the entire time. |
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| | | From: alansc | Sent: 12/20/2008 1:54 AM |
cant image anything else other than 4S
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Alan and Hammy, I'm repeating the question posed in Message #4. Do you treat 4S as forcing? |
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I treat it exactly as I explained in my first post. A king more than the anticipated 7, partner should expect me to have. And a really decent spade suit. |
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Another way of saying it... If I do not have a spade suit this good and have 10 points, I am bidding 5D. My reasoning is along the lines of your partner. 4S is one less trick to take than 5D and you could have 2 or even 3 spades with me for you bid. |
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Alan and Hammy, I'm repeating the question posed in Message #4. Do you treat 4S as forcing? Semi forcing . |
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| I treat 4S as nonforcing here so I don't have much of a problem. I agree that 10 tricks should flow here. |
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| | | From: alansc | Sent: 12/21/2008 1:27 AM |
Forcing?, off course not, but its the most likely game, You have too many losers for 5D and a cue bid with this hand is even worse.
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West North East South 2H 3D Pass 3s I would play as forcing but not the opening 3h auction |
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Barton, thanks for your suggested auction, but this West chose to open an eccentric 3H. I'm sure that either he completely ignored the spades or thought that the black suits were reversed.  |
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"When you have a 7 card suit you have a one-suited hand" - Dano DeFalco (from observation - this view is clearly shared by most of the world class Italian players). Fuged about the 4 card spade suit and give your opps problems! When pressed on this statment, Dano insisted that 7-5 is a one suited hand and that no suit quality differences would change his opinion of that. You may continue to worry about missing the side fit. I will follow the recomendations of players that clearly deserve my respect. |
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I'm not suggesting an auction, just saying corecting 3m to 3M is forcing correcting 4m to 4M is to play |
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Of course 4S is NOT forcing. Any other agreement would place tremendous pressure on initiator since a 4D overcall would preclude a 4S final contract. |
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I presented this problem to my NY tournament partner last night. He said that while 4S was not forcing, I (North) erred by passing 4S; it was mandatory for me to correct to 5D. I don't see that. What if South's hand were: AQJ865 974 K 942? Might he have bid 4S over 4D? I hope not. But had he done that, should I now bid 5D? I told him that he can't have it both ways, that I must bid 5D with South's actual holding versus (bidding whatever) with this sample holding.
BTW, my actual partner on this deal took a peek at this string. All I can say now is that he is proud of all of you. |
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