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 | | From:  _destiny_6 (Original Message) | Sent: 9/6/2002 7:00 PM |
Here is something I learned last week. West North East South 1H 2H Pass 2NT Pass ??? KQ10xxx A Qx AK10xx (Yes 2H is not the only possible call, but assume this is what you chose.) |
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 | | From: JoAnneM | Sent: 9/7/2002 5:29 AM |
If you use Gerber in any situaton other than over nt you are severely limiting your bidding choices. |
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 | | From: JoAnneM | Sent: 9/7/2002 5:31 AM |
Sorry, the last comment was off topic |
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 | | From: IanD | Sent: 9/7/2002 5:36 AM |
I think the fact that both expert pairs used Michaels convinced her beyond anything anyone here is likely to say in rebuttal. |
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 | | From: JoAnneM | Sent: 9/7/2002 5:42 AM |
Point well taken Ian, but not being an "expert" perhaps I keep my game simpler. |
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 | | From: cadet | Sent: 9/7/2002 5:53 AM |
on using gerber for aces: at this time since just learning to que bid,i find gerber advantages in many circumstances to using RKC,your 1 level lower and since we use rolling gerber ,find out about kings 1 level lower too.when i want to know controls find RKC is better.but best treatment ,i think is que,showing 1st line controls. |
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I agree that Michaels is not the only way to bid either of the posted hands. However, the point I was trying to make was that when you do open the big Michaels hand, and partner bids 2NT, then you must do something other than 3 minor to show that you have the big hand. If the example hands I posted do not fit your criteria for Michaels, then feel free to imagine a big hand with one more club or one less spade or whatever. |
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 | | From: rbbrg | Sent: 9/7/2002 6:42 AM |
I agree that Michaels is not the only possible bid with this hand. But I will state that it is perhaps the best bid. One thing I have to disagree with strongly is the statement that this hand is too strong for Michaels. There is no such thing as a hand too strong for Michaels as it is a forcing bid. This is especially true if the opponents preempt. You would be often times crippled if you couldn't discribe a 2 suited hand with Michaels or the unusual 4nt bid after the bidding is cramped. Unusual NT and Michaels are often used together for result. No-one (I hope) would argue against the use of 2nt or 4nt as a takeout when holding the minors or a major minor (the two lowest are not always minors). Why would they not use Michaels when holding one or both majors? |
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 | | From: JoAnneM | Sent: 9/7/2002 6:54 AM |
In the scenario as you have presented it, destiny, I would bid 4c. You partner has asked a queston - which is your minor. Give that answer with a jump to show the big hand. I think responding spades defeats the whole purpose of the michaels bid you used. |
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 | | From:  IRDOZ | Sent: 9/7/2002 7:38 AM |
I wasnt going into the Michaels or not argument...but one thing Marshall Miles argues in his book competitive bidding for the 21st century is with 6 cards in a major and 5 in a minor bid the major - dont use the 2-suited overcall. (He doesnt mind Micheals with 6-5 shapes or even 5-4...but with 6 in a major and 5 in a minor he says bid the major). As an example.. Lets say in this hand the bidding went 1h-2nt-4h-pass-pass-4s and partner holds... Jx xx J109xx Qxxx...and it is MPs. How would they know that 4s is the right spot? |
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 | | From: cadet | Sent: 9/7/2002 12:03 PM |
i see the value of michaels,but all the books on play/bidding i own and read,recommend/suggest with the type of example hand posted,bid your major 1st,then your good minor. |
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Kathie Wei-Sender bid Michaels on the second hand I posted, Spade. Maybe you should write her and tell her that she is wrong and also that she should play 1H - 2H - Pass - 2NT - Pass - 4C as Gerber. |
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Also Ross on the hand you gave I think 4S shows a sixth spade -- partner knows you have at least 5 and would have bid 4S himself if that were right when you had 5 spades. |
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 | | From: cadet | Sent: 9/7/2002 1:23 PM |
destiny its not a matter of wrong or right,depending on partnership agreements and your style of play ,it depends on whats better or worse for the partnership.. |
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