On hand 1.  After 2 spades no common method plays 3c as 'control showing'.

 

After 2d the standard method is to bid 3s (totally solid suit)...then 4c would show the ace.

 

Your bidding was just fine.  3C IS the second negative in the SAYC 2D waiting method.   3C is a misbid, pure and simple.  More importantly, partner's hand is good enough to continue after a 2C opening bid, you could hardly have had a hand any weaker than you held.

 

I do agree with Ross that 3S over 2D, guaranteeing a solid suit and asking partner to cue bid, would have been better, but that does require an agreement.

 

 

Thank you both.      I always thougtht  I didn't need  to jump  and keep the bidding low but  this makes more  sense

OK let's expand a bit further.  

 

Playing SAYC, the bidding has gone:  2C by partner, 2D by you, 3S by partner.  What is your bid with these hands?

 

1.    x

       Qxxxx

       Jxxxx

       Ax

 

2.    x

       Kxx

       Jxxxxx

       xxx

 

3,    Void

        xxxx

        xxxxx

        xxxx

 

Warning: There is only ONE right answer to each problem! 

 

On second thought   I think 4 S  and pray   for  #3

I had a hand once  my partner passed  and I made 6 

I agree.  4C, 4S, 4S.  4S may not work out very well on the last one but bridge is an imperfect game.  Partner should have a self-sufficient spade suit to bid 3S

 

 

 

rbbrg, some people play that the Jump to 3S sets the suit and asks for responder to cuebid with any ace.

Good change Gippo!  4S 100% on the last hand.  Partner could have AKQJxxxxx, Ax, AK, void and need one card for a grand slam.

 

And yes 4C is right on the first hand, showing the Ace.

 

On #2 the correct bid is 3NT!  This denies an Ace but shows at least one King. Partner can then ASK in the suit or suits where he needs a King, if any. Responder's bids then are:

 

4 of Trump-No K in ask suit

4NT-Protected K in ask suit

5 of Trump--singleton in ask suit with trump support

5 of Ask Suit-- KQ(x)(x) of that suit.

5 of New Suit-Asked K plus that K

 

With my example hand above opposite hand 2 the bidding would go:

 

2C-2D-3S-3NT-4H-4NT-7H

 

 

Rusty, rbbrg was referring to the original auction where Gippo rebid 2S

 

 

 

 

Of course Precision has a lot to be said for it.  But it's no argument against standard methods that a lot of people play them badly.

seems many pairs have their favorite treatment of how they handle 2club forcing responses.when i play with other than my regular partner,i conform to partners preference,if not playing with regular partner and partner likes steps ,i do ask if we can play waiting,and depending on their understanding of this treatment play accordenly.IMO,many dont know how to handle 2ds waiting,this treatment has many aspects to it other than the"2d" response.